New startdate? That's surprising, I though that their statistics showed that people don't care much about different stardates, too much work for too little gain etc, or is CK2 an exception?
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So... unless 867 got a small revamp in Brittany... this would be from somewhere between the founding of Arles in 933 to 937 when the Vikings under "Incon (Inge) de Nantes" lost control of Brittany and was replaced by the Norman domination. Mortain is under the French under the 1066 borders of Normandy which suggests the Dukes of Normandy were a thing. Maine was outside of the influence of Normandy until the 11th century.
Shame, I would have liked a 962 date.
You don't need CK3 for those, the engine is capable of handling it. Naval combat is not coming because the devs are strongly against it and trade system was also never a priority for them.
Yeah, Snow Crystal has all but confirmed the addition of a new start date when he highlighted that the image he posted about the 'Court Size Limit' game rule reveals details about future content plans.
Specifically, the following details can be noticed:
* Kingdom called [...]cia is present in France: most likely, the nation in question is West Francia, given that the name of France is West Francia when it is ruled by a Carolingian, which was the case until 987, when the last Carolingian ruler of France died.
* Kingdom of Arles is present in de jure Burgundy: historically, the kingdom existed as an independent nation between 933 and 1006.
* Fatimids can be clearly seen ruling over Sicily: historically, they ruled the island from 909 until 965.
* The Kaysid Emirate is present in Anatolia: historically, the Emirate existed from ~860 until 964.
* A dynasty with the name of Hamd[...] is ruling in de jure Al-Jazira: the dynasty in question is the Hamdanid dynasty, which ruled between 895 and 1002.
* The Slavic nations in northern Germany do not exist, which didn't become independent until the Great Slav Rising in 983.
There are other clues which point to a bookmark between 867 and 1066, such as the united Kievan Rus, independent Armenia, and the existence of Khazaria and the Burtas. Putting all this together, we'd be looking at a 900s bookmark taking place somewhere between 933 and 964.
However, the new image posted by Snow Crystal allows us to pin-point the new start date even further.
As seen in the screenshot, the name of the province of Nantes is "Namsborg", which most likely refers to Nantes during its Viking occupation that lasted from 907 to 939, until the Vikings were expelled by Alan II, Duke of Brittany. What's more, pior to being elected the duke of Brittany after a 33-year long interregnum, Alan II was the Count of Poher, and the capital of the duchy of Brittany happens to be in Poher. This means that the upcoming bookmark will be taking place somewhere between 933 and 939. And unless the name of West Francia does not change in this specific instance due to being under a non-Carolingian dynasty, we can further assume that the upcoming bookmark takes place between 936 and 939, since the Carolingian Louis IV of Outremer took the throne from King Rudolph Bosonid in 936.
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Awesome, thanks!Yeah, Snow Crystal has all but confirmed the addition of a new start date when he highlighted that the image he posted about the 'Court Size Limit' game rule reveals details about future content plans.
Specifically, the following details can be noticed:
* Kingdom called [...]cia is present in France: most likely, the nation in question is West Francia, given that the name of France is West Francia when it is ruled by a Carolingian, which was the case until 987, when the last Carolingian ruler of France died.
* Kingdom of Arles is present in de jure Burgundy: historically, the kingdom existed as an independent nation between 933 and 1006.
* Fatimids can be clearly seen ruling over Sicily: historically, they ruled the island from 909 until 965.
* The Kaysid Emirate is present in Anatolia: historically, the Emirate existed from ~860 until 964.
* A dynasty with the name of Hamd[...] is ruling in de jure Al-Jazira: the dynasty in question is the Hamdanid dynasty, which ruled between 895 and 1002.
* The Slavic nations in northern Germany do not exist, which didn't become independent until the Great Slav Rising in 983.
There are other clues which point to a bookmark between 867 and 1066, such as the united Kievan Rus, independent Armenia, and the existence of Khazaria and the Burtas. Putting all this together, we'd be looking at a 900s bookmark taking place somewhere between 933 and 964.
However, the new image posted by Snow Crystal allows us to pin-point the new start date even further.
As seen in the screenshot, the name of the province of Nantes is "Namsborg", which most likely refers to Nantes during its Viking occupation that lasted from 907 to 939, until the Vikings were expelled by Alan II, Duke of Brittany. What's more, pior to being elected the duke of Brittany after a 33-year long interregnum, Alan II was the Count of Poher, and the capital of the duchy of Brittany happens to be in Poher. This means that the upcoming bookmark will be taking place somewhere between 933 and 939. And unless the name of West Francia does not change in this specific instance due to being under a non-Carolingian dynasty, we can further assume that the upcoming bookmark takes place between 936 and 939, since the Carolingian Louis IV of Outremer took the throne from King Rudolph Bosonid in 936.
I wonder if this start date will be a feature of a patch, or will there be an actual expansion related to it...
Well I didn't play eu4 with newest dlcs so maybe it's better now, but I did play a while ago and honestly eu4 was always big disappointment to me. Missing mechanics (SLIDERS!!), less content in general, horrible boring passive trading, dumbed down and simplified gameplay etc. Even graphics are worse, but it's highly personal opinion since I prefer flat map like in eu3 rather than some weird mix of terrain/political map, at least there are mods to fix that. We could discuss more but it's hardly right place for that.
As this thread is about expansion I bet it will be in an expansion.
Yeah, Snow Crystal has all but confirmed the addition of a new start date when he highlighted that the image he posted about the 'Court Size Limit' game rule reveals details about future content plans.
Specifically, the following details can be noticed:
* Kingdom called [...]cia is present in France: most likely, the nation in question is West Francia, given that the name of France is West Francia when it is ruled by a Carolingian, which was the case until 987, when the last Carolingian ruler of France died.
* Kingdom of Arles is present in de jure Burgundy: historically, the kingdom existed as an independent nation between 933 and 1006.
* Fatimids can be clearly seen ruling over Sicily: historically, they ruled the island from 909 until 965.
* The Kaysid Emirate is present in Anatolia: historically, the Emirate existed from ~860 until 964.
* A dynasty with the name of Hamd[...] is ruling in de jure Al-Jazira: the dynasty in question is the Hamdanid dynasty, which ruled between 895 and 1002.
* The Slavic nations in northern Germany do not exist, which didn't become independent until the Great Slav Rising in 983.
There are other clues which point to a bookmark between 867 and 1066, such as the united Kievan Rus, independent Armenia, and the existence of Khazaria and the Burtas. Putting all this together, we'd be looking at a 900s bookmark taking place somewhere between 933 and 964.
However, the new image posted by Snow Crystal allows us to pin-point the new start date even further.
As seen in the screenshot, the name of the province of Nantes is "Namsborg", which most likely refers to Nantes during its Viking occupation that lasted from 907 to 939, until the Vikings were expelled by Alan II, Duke of Brittany. What's more, pior to being elected the duke of Brittany after a 33-year long interregnum, Alan II was the Count of Poher, and the capital of the duchy of Brittany happens to be in Poher. This means that the upcoming bookmark will be taking place somewhere between 933 and 939. And unless the name of West Francia does not change in this specific instance due to being under a non-Carolingian dynasty, we can further assume that the upcoming bookmark takes place between 936 and 939, since the Carolingian Louis IV of Outremer took the throne from King Rudolph Bosonid in 936.
To add another point to this - SnowCrystal also said he was making a bloodline for one of the descendent of Alfred the Great and neither confirmed nor denied that was Aethelstan irrc.
Aethelstan died in 939 and not letting us play as him seems gratuitously cruel - so it will probably be closer to 936 than 939.
While the devs are great about giving a lot of content out for free, a new start date seems like far too much work for a free patch. It will definitely be part of an unannounced expansion.
To add to Aquamancers great insights I want to add in a few things
First off 936 is the first date with Otto the great and Snow Crystal has indicated in earlier posts about Switzerland, Franconia and German Bloodlines that Otto could very well be added. This reinforces the time between 936-939.
Seconds off in 937 Queen Bertha took control of Burgundy (Arles)and transfers the capital to Arles. Powerful Women are really popular and add in an interesting twist, but it doesn't prove anything. It also important to note that Franconia is directly taken by Otto. This leads me to believe that it should be 937-939 because of his previous postings about Franconia but it is not solid.
Finally in 939 everything goes to hell, a lot of information shows that things that happen in 939, if it started early 939 it could theoretically happen but they post at important changes of European history (Defeat of the Aquitaneans, Great Heathen Army moving to Northumbria).
If I were to bet where the new start date would be I would say be 837, the date of the Battle of Brunanburh which preserved the Anglo-Saxons in England and is regarded by some Historians as the most important battle in English history until the Battle of Stamford Bridge
First off 936 is the first date with Otto the great and Snow Crystal has indicated in earlier posts about Switzerland, Franconia and German Bloodlines that Otto could very well be added. This reinforces the time between 936-939.
Seconds off in 937 Queen Bertha took control of Burgundy (Arles)and transfers the capital to Arles. Powerful Women are really popular and add in an interesting twist, but it doesn't prove anything. It also important to note that Franconia is directly taken by Otto. This leads me to believe that it should be 937-939 because of his previous postings about Franconia but it is not solid.
Finally in 939 everything goes to hell, a lot of information shows that things that happen in 939, if it started early 939 it could theoretically happen but they post at important changes of European history (Defeat of the Aquitaneans, Great Heathen Army moving to Northumbria).
If I were to bet where the new start date would be I would say be 837, the date of the Battle of Brunanburh which preserved the Anglo-Saxons in England and is regarded by some Historians as the most important battle in English history until the Battle of Stamford Bridge
I think so as well.
But then again, we recently had awesome Great Works update for free.
Even better if this is an expansion. It means more content.
And Holy Roman Empire could very well be the main theme.
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I wonder how the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period (907-979) is going to be represented. As far as I can tell, China, as well as any other offmap empire, cannot be without a holder during gameplay. (I must confess to being a pretty lousy modder so I could very well be wrong about this.)
If all emperors in that period is added I 'd suggest adding Shatuo(Chuyue) as a nomad horde in the earliest start instead of some random Mongols, though pretty weak, they are actuallly in the east of the map then. More importantly, a descendent from their ruling dynasty later found his own dynasty in China.
Considering that China's emperor list during that period in game is blank, I don't think Paradox is quite sure yet either.
Purely speculating here, but they could simply pick one successor dynasty (perhaps Later Tang?) and simply give China the Civil War Status. Later Tang seems like an decent choice if one must select one of the conflicting dynasties as they claimed continuity with the earlier Tang, and they held the old capital grounds. They could throw together a few events "News from China" style for the collapse of Later Tang and other competing dynasties as well.
In fact I hope the new bookmark to be part of a free patch, or it may become less possible if you want to play as a character between 937 and 1066.
As for the paid content, Romanus I and Constantine VII of Byzantine rules the kingdom together, while Louis IV of France was controlled by Hugh the Great. Considering CK2 can't simulate such situation well, I 'll suggest a DLC to make regency better, even let you become kind of like Mayors of the palace in Francia or Shoguns in Japan who seize the power tightly in their hands, everyone in the realm, even their liege can't oppose them,either.
As for the paid content, Romanus I and Constantine VII of Byzantine rules the kingdom together, while Louis IV of France was controlled by Hugh the Great. Considering CK2 can't simulate such situation well, I 'll suggest a DLC to make regency better, even let you become kind of like Mayors of the palace in Francia or Shoguns in Japan who seize the power tightly in their hands, everyone in the realm, even their liege can't oppose them,either.
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Ok, so IF the new bookmark is a thing (well, it seems it is) and IF it comes with an expansion, what do you guys think the theme of the dlc will be? In the end, the CK2 dlcs have themes of its expansions pretty well pronounced (opposing to EU4 dlcs).
Based on what the game currently lacks in mechanics and on what was happening in the period, my guess is that we could get some Christianity fleshed out in this one. The Schism happened in the 11th century, true, but its possible that it could never happened if not for some of 10th century events (forming of the HRE, the ERE loosing to the Bulgarians, some Papacy shenanigans). Ideally if the expansion would come with some dynamic heresies system.
Based on what the game currently lacks in mechanics and on what was happening in the period, my guess is that we could get some Christianity fleshed out in this one. The Schism happened in the 11th century, true, but its possible that it could never happened if not for some of 10th century events (forming of the HRE, the ERE loosing to the Bulgarians, some Papacy shenanigans). Ideally if the expansion would come with some dynamic heresies system.