Where are my chariots?

[GS_Guderian]

With the new levy system all Germanic tribes (propably quiet historical) don‘t field chariots.
Mainly light inf, light cav and way to many heavy inf for never being supplied with iron)

Now even if I choose the military ideas for chariots, they never become an option.
I believe as a leader of my tribe I should at least be able to shift the preferred army composition somewhat.

Right now chariots seem to exist only ever on the British islands.
Now for those who believe that is ok, as we know Cesar faced those there, try to get any bowmen in Germania. Same story.

 

[Jiben]

Yeah celtic traditions are kinda meh for germans as they lack archers/chariots which the tradition trees buff alot.

You could civilize and form a chariot legion eventually if you wanted to but it feels somewhat hard to justify taking bonuses for a unit just for a eventual legion when you can just do a HI/LC legion since thats your levy anyway.

you could integrate a celtic culture and get their levies like i had lepontic integrated for a while that gave some chariots but even then never enough to justify taking bonuses for them.

In my cherusci campagin i took the bonuses for HC/LC in my starting traditions and stole the itallic tradition tree for more bonuses to HI/LC and got a decent army by the end.

 

[Nostalgium]

Barbarians should have more tradition trees, really. At least a Gallo-Iberian/Germano-Dacian sort of split. That would help quite significantly in diversifying them as well.

 

[The_Sound_Of_Violence]

Regarding historicity, by the time Cesar fought the Celts, only those living in Britannia were using them. Those on the continent had abandoned the chariot (starting around 200 BC?) possibly because many of them became mercenaries for other nations of the Mediterranean world and needed to “travel light”.

 

[Rubidium]

Also because chariots by that point were very much in the "cool, but impractical" category in terms of actual combat effectiveness.

 

[olivenkranz]

Also because chariots by that point were very much in the "cool, but impractical" category in terms of actual combat effectiveness.

The Days of Kadesh and the like were over... so sad.

 

[GS_Guderian]

Regarding historicity, by the time Cesar fought the Celts, only those living in Britannia were using them. Those on the continent had abandoned the chariot (starting around 200 BC?) possibly because many of them became mercenaries for other nations of the Mediterranean world and needed to “travel light”.

I stated that in my initial posting.

May I ask what your opinion is, regarding that matter?
And if you are fine with being able to „research“ chariots while never getting a hold on them, how about archers?
I believe your historical expertise won‘t miss the fact that bow and arrow were quite common all over mainland Europe.

 

[Rubidium]

I stated that in my initial posting.

May I ask what your opinion is, regarding that matter?
And if you are fine with being able to „research“ chariots while never getting a hold on them, how about archers?
I believe your historical expertise won‘t miss the fact that bow and arrow were quite common all over mainland Europe.

If you integrate a Celtic culture, you'll get chariots in your levies from provinces they are present in. Likewise, if you integrate, say, Punic, you'll get elephants in your levies.

As far as I know, integrating a different culture or building a legion are the two ways to get access to different troop types (not counting mercenaries). Which sort of makes sense (as levies are supposed to essentially be drafted from the people, rather than equipped by the state, so the weapons that they use are the ones that they will supply on their own, unlike legions).

Now, you could quibble about the distribution of troop types within cultural templates (maybe Germans should have more archers and less heavy infantry, I don't know), but the "not being able to control troop type within levies" is definitely by design; it's one of the major advantages of legions (which otherwise are kind of underwhelming, to be honest).

 

[GS_Guderian]

I guess we have to wait for a content patch which looks into the military „doctrines“ present right now.
Weren’t there three before?
(Germanic, Britanic and Celtic)
Maybe adding one fitting Germanic levies would be a solution. Allowing the other two only if you integrate their cultures.

 

[Stars_and_Bars]

I guess we have to wait for a content patch which looks into the military „doctrines“ present right now.
Weren’t there three before?
(Germanic, Britanic and Celtic)
Maybe adding one fitting Germanic levies would be a solution. Allowing the other two only if you integrate their cultures.

All of the traditions trees were broken up and divided into two tree each. All of the three previous paths are present in the new two trees, but sliced up and divided between each tree.

Personally I think the trees as a whole need way more modularity. Having Germans, Celts, Iberians all under the same two trees, and having Anatolians, Caucasians, Iranians, Scythians, etc. all under the same two trees is very jarring and weird. The movement between the trees is also weird. For example, the Carian(Anatolian) people who have been closely interacting with the greeks since before the bronze age have to integrate Egyptians, Levantines, Arabs etc. and follow that route before it can follow the greek route by integrating Ionian greeks. It doesn't make any sense.

 

[Rubidium]

All of the traditions trees were broken up and divided into two tree each. All of the three previous paths are present in the new two trees, but sliced up and divided between each tree.

Personally I think the trees as a whole need way more modularity. Having Germans, Celts, Iberians all under the same two trees, and having Anatolians, Caucasians, Iranians, Scythians, etc. all under the same two trees is very jarring and weird. The movement between the trees is also weird. For example, the Carian(Anatolian) people who have been closely interacting with the greeks since before the bronze age have to integrate Egyptians, Levantines, Arabs etc. and follow that route before it can follow the greek route by integrating Ionian greeks. It doesn't make any sense.

And conversely for the Greeks and Macedonians, who regularly employed Gallic mercenaries in their own wars.

But cheer up! As a barbarian you can adopt North African traditions easily; it's part of the Britannic tree.