Where is everyone?

[roirraw]

I've played a few hundred smaller games and if you want to count the wargame series, it's a lot of games. What we need is support for the game modes that are here, people have found what they like to play and that keeps them interested. For some people it's 1v1s, for me it's 10v10s. None of these things are mutually exclusive and the conversations always go that route around here. All I'm asking for, like the other guys who play the game mode, is for some support. It's in the game, please make it better.

 

[roirraw]

10vs10 games auto launch in 20 sec when all players are in the lobby or don't launch at all. You can't launch them manually. I doubt 10vs10 will be opened to private lobbys for stability reasons, but it would be good to change a part of the 10vs10 servers to 6vs6 or 8vs8 players required, at least it would allow to do something with 12-16 players.
10vs10 players tend to play 3vs3 or 4vs4 once in a while so it's good for everyone.

You can host 10v10s now but it requires you to message EUGEN for a server key to be attached to your personal game key. After that you get an application that allows you to host game from a server, then you have to edit the txt files to set the map, resources, ect. We used to have a guy during the wargame time, around the teamspeak, who would write the RCON applications needed to just click and go for settings, name of server, maps and everything you need for a private server to run. There is just no direct support for this coming from EUGEN, I mean, they do help you get the stuff needed; but hosting the server, where to go and all the rest is up to you. It also requires a really heavy load to do the 10v10 servers that last longer than 20 minutes. You need a really solid connection and quite a bit of resources dedicated to the server, or it will just drop the slowest preforming players in the game one at a time. Actually making the situation worse, because of how the AI will just spam units the players who were in the game wouldn't have.

If EUGEN made it easier for people to host their games, i.e. make sure a monkey can setup the servers without help
OR; created a system that removed the need for custom lobbies and fixed ranked/matchmaking/game-finding in general, while combining the search to include all game modes. We might see more people sticking around because they are able to host and play the game as they see fit, or get a game without waiting 20 minutes when they have 40 minutes to play.

 

[Red Army]

I've played a few hundred smaller games and if you want to count the wargame series, it's a lot of games. What we need is support for the game modes that are here, people have found what they like to play and that keeps them interested. For some people it's 1v1s, for me it's 10v10s. None of these things are mutually exclusive and the conversations always go that route around here. All I'm asking for, like the other guys who play the game mode, is for some support. It's in the game, please make it better.

10v10 was never more than a gimmick to trick people into buying the game. Given that you never see anyone playing it anymore, I think you'll need to let go.

 

[vonLuck]

Friends are OP I guess. You know at least half the people on my discord are people I met through the various Wargame titles. Turns out playing these games with them is more fun than without.

von Luck

 

[Gilmund]

10v10 was never more than a gimmick to trick people into buying the game. Given that you never see anyone playing it anymore, I think you'll need to let go.

Knowing 10vs10 is for many newcomers a way to learn and get on smaller games later, I think you'll have to let go the game very soon yourself seeing player numbers decreasing everyday but thanks for you very kind words, you're the spirit of a kind community. You're open to others, dedicated to bring kindness to people, very open-minded and full of love. So much love i would wanna kiss you right now.
I'm sad i'm unable to see your greatness in your awesome words. But i'll try again i promise.

Try playing 4v4 you might find you like it. Bring friends and heckle each other on a voip for more fun.
von Luck

We do like 4vs4, we like 10vs10 more. 10vs10 is what's keeping a part of the players to connect on evenings. For some it's 1vs1 for others it's 10vs10 It's not hard to understand.

Friends are OP I guess. You know at least half the people on my discord are people I met through the various Wargame titles. Turns out playing these games with them is more fun than without.

von Luck

Do you really think we play 10vs10 without "friends". The whole point of 10vs10 is teamplay, to play a large scale gamemode with people we like to play with is obviously why we like the mode.

A low number of players is bad for everyone. It's obvious a very opened community (/sarcasm) neither 1vs1 neither 2vs2/3vs3/4vs4 are enough to attract players these days.
Maybe keeping 10vs10 players at bay with very few changes is something to consider instead of losing them.

 

[vonLuck]

I think you clearly know my position on this unless you feel the need to go over it again. Good luck getting anything out of Eugen while they are on strike. Untill then organize better or play something other than 10v10.

von Luck

 

[Gilmund]

I think you clearly know my position on this unless you feel the need to go over it again. Good luck getting anything out of Eugen while they are on strike. Untill then organize better or play something other than 10v10.

von Luck

I know your "position". Which is what exactly ? Just enjoying seeing players leaving the game cause they are not playing the way you want them to play ? What do you care if a bunch of the 10vs10 servers are turned into 6vs6 - 8vs8 to keep players in the game i wonder ? Why are you even here to express otherwise. What's the point. I still don't get it. But it's my business i guess.
I'm gentle this time you see to avoid being rated to moderators cause i learn from my mistakes.

It's impossible to really organize a meet of 20 players. It's not a mmo guild. And now even the best dedication of people ready to wait 20min between each game is not enough. Cause the number of 10vs10 players is always around 1/10 of the connected ones and the overall number of players is just too low. 1/10 is not bad a number when you pass more time to wait a game than play it . It does inform you how 10vs10 players love playing this game.

 

[vonLuck]

I know your "position". Which is what exactly ? Just enjoying seeing players leaving the game cause they are not playing the way you want them to play ? What do you care if a bunch of the 10vs10 servers are turned into 6vs6 - 8vs8 to keep players in the game i wonder ? Why are you even here to express otherwise. What's the point. I still don't get it. But it's my business i guess.
I'm gentle this time you see to avoid being rated to moderators cause i learn from my mistakes.

It's impossible to really organize a meet of 20 players. It's not a mmo guild. And now even the best dedication of people ready to wait 20min between each game is not enough. Cause the number of 10vs10 players is always around 1/10 of the connected ones and the overall number of players is just too low. 1/10 is not bad a number when you pass more time to wait a game than play it . It does inform you how 10vs10 players love playing this game.

let me make this easier to read for you.

I think you clearly know my position on this unless you feel the need to go over it again. Good luck getting anything out of Eugen while they are on strike. Untill then organize better or play something other than 10v10.
von Luck

There - anyone should be able to understand that. I highly suggest if you want your grievances noticed you should make a thread on it instead of posting in any old thread.

von Luck

 

[Gilmund]

let me make this easier to read for you.



There - anyone should be able to understand that. I highly suggest if you want your grievances noticed you should make a thread on it instead of posting in any old thread.

von Luck

It's not the whole company therefore i don't really understand what the strike has anything to do with anything. It's a thread named "Where is everyone", couldn't be more related, you're more out of subject speaking about strike than me. Shutting down people you disagree with cause of strike is your new argument now, who do you think you are, hahaha.
Whatever.

 

[vonLuck]

It's not the whole company therefore i don't really understand what the strike has anything to do with anything. It's a thread named "Where is everyone", couldn't be more related, you're more out of subject speaking about strike than me. Shutting down people you disagree with cause of strike is your new argument now, who do you think you are, hahaha.
Whatever.

Apparently you need deeply to be offended by innocuous conversation which speaks volumes for your last few posts. Interesting. I fail to see how I'm shutting anything down when I point out that posting stuff about 10v10 lobbies in an unrelated thread isn't likely to resolve your issues. In fact I would be willing to bet if you made a thread specifically about your grievances somebody might even acknowledge them! Anyways continue to play 4 dimensional chess with my posts . . . it's amusing in a tragic way.

von Luck

 

[mithras123]

this is a good game.

 

[Gilmund]

Apparently you need deeply to be offended by innocuous conversation which speaks volumes for your last few posts. Interesting. I fail to see how I'm shutting anything down when I point out that posting stuff about 10v10 lobbies in an unrelated thread isn't likely to resolve your issues. In fact I would be willing to bet if you made a thread specifically about your grievances somebody might even acknowledge them! Anyways continue to play 4 dimensional chess with my posts . . . it's amusing in a tragic way.

von Luck

And i say again this thread is perfectly fine to speak about the subject of players disappearance because it was made for it. 10vs10's players art part of it. We'll seriously not open a thread each time someone has an idea on the subject of player disappearance cause you're in the mood for it.
Your attempt to dismiss people based on strike is what's amusing. I didn't expect much more from you since our last conversation, at least you stay the same.
I need to repeat myself because you obviously dodged the questions, why do you even care if i speak about 10vs10 players and Eugen servers ? How is it your concern ? I'm not speaking about changing anything in the game regarding to other modes. Why do you even have to argue about anything ?
On a general note why do you need to dismiss anything regarding 10vs10's by principle ?
Cause this pattern does make clear the guy with the inner probs here is not me.

 

[von Steinberg]

Try playing 4v4 you might find you like it. Bring friends and heckle each other on a voip for more fun.

von Luck

So what you're proposing is, that because a certain feature some people like doesn't work anymore (for whatever reason), they should start to like a different feature. Well, that may work, but it's about as useful as offering asparagus to a person that wants a hamburger - with the expected result of that person going elsewhere to get their hamburger. There is a reason why War Game Red Dragon still has more players than Steel Division.

 

[Red Army]

Anyone hoping for a revival of 10v10 is barking up the wrong tree. Eugen never bothered to support them properly for their best selling series, don't expect them to spend resources supporting niche modes in a game that fell flat on its face.


If Eugen wants more players they need to look into spinning up remote servers for custom games so that one poverty case doesn't lag a game for everyone. Running such a system would not take a lot of resources given that they mechanism already exists with the 10v10 servers, but it's a lot to expect from a company that can't pay its employees, forgot a password needed to fix their friend's list boondoggle, and forgets to do simple tests after server maintenance.

 

[Red Army]

It's just your opinion and we don't care, 10vs10 servers are in the game and you're free to play something else if you feel this game is so horribly done. Looking at your very few messages, you canno't really write anything else than this permanent offensive destructive bullshit. Pity. I feel for you.

You can put all the 10v10 servers in the game you want, but since nobody plays them they don't matter. Eugen built it, but they did not come. kevin Costner would be disappointed.

You might want to try arguing a point without attacking people though, you might get more positive responses.

 

[Gilmund]

You can put all the 10v10 servers in the game you want, but since nobody plays them they don't matter. Eugen built it, but they did not come. kevin Costner would be disappointed.

You might want to try arguing a point without attacking people though, you might get more positive responses.

I raised a concern and it was perfectly fine until the anti 10vs10 squad decided to come as they always does. Cause they canno't handle any 10vs10 discussion it does touch their ego so badly or something.
"What ? Doing something for these low-level players having fun playing something different than myself ? Impossible ! I need to bring them down !"
Always the same shit again and again on these forums. It's kinda boring how much you guys are limited.
1/10 of the playerbase who wants to wait 20min in lobby between each game is not nothing. There were more in the past but it's harder and harder to launch games and many newcomers don't bother anymore, they just stopped to connect to play something else. It's why the player numbers are partly decreasing. Now even amonst the veterans.
But i'm only repeating myself cause i've already said it. If only you were able to read and participate in a discussion without saying 10vs10 is a gimmick you would be able to understand but you've such a narrow mind it's hard to speak with you otherwise.
It's not me who brings conflict here, it's always you guys being pain in the ass cause you're deeply unable to accept people enjoy to play this game in another way than yours.

 

[vonLuck]

And here I was trying to be helpful pointing out that because of the strike some issues wouldn't get looked at. Or making a separate thread appropriately titled to capture the issues and give a dev a place to look at an alienated player bases grievances. Guess I should don more appropriately villainous attire.

von Luck

 

[Gilmund]

And here I was trying to be helpful pointing out that because of the strike some issues wouldn't get looked at. Or making a separate thread appropriately titled to capture the issues and give a dev a place to look at an alienated player bases grievances. Guess I should don more appropriately villainous attire.

von Luck

A new thread or not, the anti 10vs10 squad would have jumped on it like you've always done on the previous ones.
Yeah sure that's what you were trying to do, being helpfull. So much i'm not the only one reacting to your kind words. Next time you see something about 10vs10 don't bother saying to people to go play 4vs4. We don't need this kind of help.

So what you're proposing is, that because a certain feature some people like doesn't work anymore (for whatever reason), they should start to like a different feature. Well, that may work, but it's about as useful as offering asparagus to a person that wants a hamburger - with the expected result of that person going elsewhere to get their hamburger. There is a reason why War Game Red Dragon still has more players than Steel Division.

 

[Red Army]

I raised a concern and it was perfectly fine until the anti 10vs10 squad decided to come as they always does. Cause they canno't handle any 10vs10 discussion it does touch their ego so badly or something.
"What ? Doing something for these low-level players having fun playing something different than myself ? Impossible ! I need to bring them down !"
Always the same shit again and again on these forums. It's kinda boring how much you guys are limited.
1/10 of the playerbase who wants to wait 20min in lobby between each game is not nothing. There were more in the past but it's harder and harder to launch games and many newcomers don't bother anymore, they just stopped to connect to play something else. It's why the player numbers are partly decreasing. Now even amonst the veterans.
But i'm only repeating myself cause i've already said it. If only you were able to read and participate in a discussion without saying 10vs10 is a gimmick you would be able to understand but you've such a narrow mind it's hard to speak with you otherwise.
It's not me who brings conflict here, it's always you guys being pain in the ass cause you're deeply unable to accept people enjoy to play this game in another way than yours.

It is a gimmick though. Go back and look at how Eugen supported 10v10 in the various Wargames. Minimal at best. It simply has never been the focus. Eugen clearly does not have the resources to chase the dragon either, so it's good that it hasn't been a focus so far.

 

[vonLuck]

It's hardly my fault somebody took offence to my suggestion that people try something other than 10v10. Especially since people were complaining about not being able to play. *Shrugs* the only goon squad I see around here is a bunch of folks who are overly sensitive to any topic pertaining to 10v10. I don't understand how other people can connect the dots to make a forum thread specifically about their grievances and I get dog piled for daring to suggest such a heretical concept. You sir have poisoned your own chalice in this thread by repeatedly finding offence to innocuous suggestions.

von Luck