Originally posted by Gorion
It is a language, like Spanish and French.
How is it different from the two I mean?
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How is it different from the two I mean?
It is derived from latin like french or spanish, that explains the similarities. About the differences I just speak a little catalan so I really can´t tell.
Adeu! (G´bye in catalan)
Adeu! (G´bye in catalan)
well it comes from latin, but really is a 'mix' of spanish and french , but it is different language than both
, but it is different language than both
Originally posted by Txini
well it comes from latin, but really is a 'mix' of spanish and french
Cool! I want to learn it hehe!
i'm waiting for the release of the game; here, in spain; so i d'ont know wich provinces are there; but in general...
speaking off catalan culture... i assume that it should be in girona; catalunya valencia, rousillon, languedoc, balearic islands, and now the hard ones.... Aragon? yes; maybe; instead; more catalan culture than castilian one.... and the other possibility; sardinia!!!! this is tough; and hard to say; but there are now a few people speaking catalan, due to the fact that the entire city was "repobled" yes; it is hard to say "catalan culture" but it's a possibility...
a few words on history:
In 1297, Pope Boniface VIII in order to settle diplomatically the War of the Vespers, which broke out in 1282 between the Angevins and Aragonese over the possession of Sicily, established motu proprio a hypothetical regnum Sardiniae et Corsicae. The Pope offered it to the Catalan Jaume II the Just, king of the Crown of Aragon (a confederation made up of the kingdoms of Aragon and Valencia, plus the peasants of Catalonia), promising him support should he wish to conquer Pisan Sardinia in exchange for Sicily. In 1323 Jaume II of Aragon formed an alliance with the kings of Arborea and, following a military campaign which lasted a year or so, occupied the Pisa territories of Cagliari and Gallura along with the city of Sassari, naming them kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica.
In 1353, for reasons of state survival, war broke out between the kingdom of Arborea and the kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica part of the Crown of Aragon. In 1354 the Aragonese seized Alghero and reshaped it into an entirely Catalan city, which still today displays its Iberian origins. In 1353 Pere IV of Aragon, called the Cerimonious, granted legislative autonomy (a parliament) to the kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica which was followed in due course by self-government (Viceroy) and judicial independence (Royal Hearing).
From 1365 to 1409 the kings or giudici of Arborea Mariano IV, Ugone III, Mariano V (assisted by his mother Eleonora, the famous giudicessa regent) and Guglielmo III (French grandson of Eleonora) succeeded in occupying very nearly all Sardinia except Castel of Cagliari (today Cagliari) and Alghero. In 1409 Marti the Younger, king of Sicily ad heir to Aragon, defeated the giudicale Sardinians at Sanluri and conquered once and for all the entire land. Shortly afterwards he died in Cagliari of malaria, without issue, and consequently the Crown of Aragon passed into the hands of the Castilians Trastamara, and in particular Ferran I of Antequera and his descendants, with the Compromise of Caspe in 1412.
The tomb of Marti the Younger is in Cagliari Cathedral.
speaking off catalan culture... i assume that it should be in girona; catalunya valencia, rousillon, languedoc, balearic islands, and now the hard ones.... Aragon? yes; maybe; instead; more catalan culture than castilian one.... and the other possibility; sardinia!!!! this is tough; and hard to say; but there are now a few people speaking catalan, due to the fact that the entire city was "repobled" yes; it is hard to say "catalan culture" but it's a possibility...
a few words on history:
In 1297, Pope Boniface VIII in order to settle diplomatically the War of the Vespers, which broke out in 1282 between the Angevins and Aragonese over the possession of Sicily, established motu proprio a hypothetical regnum Sardiniae et Corsicae. The Pope offered it to the Catalan Jaume II the Just, king of the Crown of Aragon (a confederation made up of the kingdoms of Aragon and Valencia, plus the peasants of Catalonia), promising him support should he wish to conquer Pisan Sardinia in exchange for Sicily. In 1323 Jaume II of Aragon formed an alliance with the kings of Arborea and, following a military campaign which lasted a year or so, occupied the Pisa territories of Cagliari and Gallura along with the city of Sassari, naming them kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica.
In 1353, for reasons of state survival, war broke out between the kingdom of Arborea and the kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica part of the Crown of Aragon. In 1354 the Aragonese seized Alghero and reshaped it into an entirely Catalan city, which still today displays its Iberian origins. In 1353 Pere IV of Aragon, called the Cerimonious, granted legislative autonomy (a parliament) to the kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica which was followed in due course by self-government (Viceroy) and judicial independence (Royal Hearing).
From 1365 to 1409 the kings or giudici of Arborea Mariano IV, Ugone III, Mariano V (assisted by his mother Eleonora, the famous giudicessa regent) and Guglielmo III (French grandson of Eleonora) succeeded in occupying very nearly all Sardinia except Castel of Cagliari (today Cagliari) and Alghero. In 1409 Marti the Younger, king of Sicily ad heir to Aragon, defeated the giudicale Sardinians at Sanluri and conquered once and for all the entire land. Shortly afterwards he died in Cagliari of malaria, without issue, and consequently the Crown of Aragon passed into the hands of the Castilians Trastamara, and in particular Ferran I of Antequera and his descendants, with the Compromise of Caspe in 1412.
The tomb of Marti the Younger is in Cagliari Cathedral.
Me too, as I want to go to University in Catalonia or Valencia.
If Aragon was to have a separate culture, it should be Aragonese
I think it may seem cool at first to add separate castilian, aragonese, catalan, navarrese and portuguese cultures instead of the single "iberian" culture.
Catalan culture should be different from the aragonese, but not for the language, but for the different prospects of both regions: inside the Kingdom of Aragon there were many disagreements between the catalans (which were very interested to expand the trade in the Mediterranean) and the aragonese, which had a more "inland" prospects (in the line of the castilians before the Catholic Kings).
Also, the navarrese had its own culture and traditions, as the portuguese...
...but: what would be the point to add so many different cultures to the game? It would look more "colourful", perhaps, but it will overload an already overloaded game engine, and, after all, all of the kingdoms in the iberian peninsula would have to add all of the iberian cultures as official: there where some differences, but any of the spanish kingdoms would have been able to assimilate all of the other's cultures
Or is anybody thinking to add economical handicaps to provinces inside the iberian peninsula?
So, if we add four or five new cultures, but any kingdom should have all of them as official, it would be totally irrelevant for gaming purposes, apart of overloading the CPU still more...
Catalan culture should be different from the aragonese, but not for the language, but for the different prospects of both regions: inside the Kingdom of Aragon there were many disagreements between the catalans (which were very interested to expand the trade in the Mediterranean) and the aragonese, which had a more "inland" prospects (in the line of the castilians before the Catholic Kings).
Also, the navarrese had its own culture and traditions, as the portuguese...
...but: what would be the point to add so many different cultures to the game? It would look more "colourful", perhaps, but it will overload an already overloaded game engine, and, after all, all of the kingdoms in the iberian peninsula would have to add all of the iberian cultures as official: there where some differences, but any of the spanish kingdoms would have been able to assimilate all of the other's cultures
Or is anybody thinking to add economical handicaps to provinces inside the iberian peninsula?
So, if we add four or five new cultures, but any kingdom should have all of them as official, it would be totally irrelevant for gaming purposes, apart of overloading the CPU still more...