Which country should I implement using the now free PRO tag?

[Mariani]

Serbia might be prime...turks can just plunge into hungary (and by extension, Europe) with relative ease...while the serbs wouldn't be all that much of a deterrent, but would be another nation to declare war on...

A revolter in the Americas would be prime, though.

 

[Savant]

I beg to differ with my fellow compatriot and recommend onec again that we table the tag.

[btw, look at all the possible tags that could be needed if Raf's suggestion of fractionating majors is to be deemed viable - simply overwhelming]

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Raphael
Actually, Hartmann, this list is not the list of the countries that should be implemented, but a list in which to pick up the most interesting country for available tags. Of course, I can't provide TAGs for every countries.

Bye

Raf

I think I understood this right away, Raf. The list just incited an overwhelming longing for tags in me, which I then directed at You ('give ´em to me ...') instead of Johan, who REALLY should give them to me.

My comments were not meant as criticism accordingly - these were just thoughts that popped up in my mind, when poring over the list for a while.

All the best, Hartmann

 

[Hartmann]

I just researched about Serbia and found that contrary to what yannelis wrote somewhere, Serbia wasn´t around in 1492 anymore. So if it would be implemented, then as a revolter.

Hartmann

 

[unmerged(676)]

Re: List of possible new countries

Raphael. Thanks for compiling the list. Very interesting. Seeing all these 'new' countries makes me curious what their coat-of-arms and flag looked like. I'll have a look around.

Originally posted by Raphael
I list here countries that could be added, to make a kind of reserve (for whenever we get a new tag).....
Best regards Raf

 

[Hartmann]

Since this discussion is still pending, I decided to release IGC 1.6d in the meantime. KUR is still attached to Kurland , which may emerge through revolts. This makeshift gives us more breathing space before we reach the final decision.

Hartmann

 

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Serbia was not annexed by Turkey until 1494.

 

[unmerged(530)]

Serbia would be in Granada type situation in 1492, with Turkey ready to annex it.

Also, maybe instead of Ragusa, we could have Montenego? They would be in essentially the same place. Montengro remained indpenedant throughout the game period.

If we do keep Ragusa, we should add a ship manufactuary in Ragusa, since they produced many merhcant ships.

 

[Hartmann]

Yannelis, please have a look at this link. Among very interesting info about Byzanz, Bulgaria etc., You´ll find also an entry about Serbia with monarch genealogy (almost at the bottom of the page)

http://www.friesian.com/romania.htm#serbs

Ottoman annexation of Serbia is claimed to have happened 1459. I will not replace Ragusa, but the idea with the ship manufacture is something I will think about. The function of the manufacture, though, would be advancement in military ship technology, which is not necessarily related to high merchant ship production in Ragusa (that´s exactly why we dropped the wharf - in EU wharfs are about warships not about merchantships). Another idea would be shipmaterial in the province.

Hartmann

 

[Doomdark]

Actually, the KUR tag should be used for Pommerania, since:

1) The PRO tag will not turn protestant...
2) The random leaders names correspond better.

So, the REAL question becomes 'What should we do with the PRO tag.'

/Doomie

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Doomdark
Actually, the KUR tag should be used for Pommerania, since:

1) The PRO tag will not turn protestant...
2) The random leaders names correspond better.

So, the REAL question becomes 'What should we do with the PRO tag.'

/Doomie

Are You sure that the conversion habits are attached to the tags? We also thought that tech restriction are, but they aren´t. At least the BAN tag develops when placed as Ethiopia, whereas the CYR and MAH tags don´t anymore when placed in SEA. So it could very well be a function of where the capital is placed with religion, too. If not, oh well, it´s just a matter of 'search and replace'....

Hartmann

 

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http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=3544&highlight=Serbia

There's what Sapura said.

But in EU, why is Serbia under Hungary? Thats what I dont get.

That site was rather messed up. The Byzantine Empire was predominantly Greek with some Armenians, Bulgars, and Slavs, not Vlachs. And the ruling classes were Greek and Armenian, not Vlachs.

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Doomdark
Actually, the KUR tag should be used for Pommerania, since:

1) The PRO tag will not turn protestant...
2) The random leaders names correspond better.

So, the REAL question becomes 'What should we do with the PRO tag.'

/Doomie

I interchanged Pommerania and Kurland, so that Pommerania now has the KUR tag and PRO is free. The default leader names will now match better. I´m not sure about the religious conversion, though - I couldn´t test it yet. And Holstein also seems not to convert.

Hartmann

 

[Hartmann]

@yannelis: All other sources I consulted also state 1459 as date of annexation, e.g.

http://www.decani.yunet.com/serhist1.html#Conquest by the Turks

Sapura´s comment is either incorrect of (more likely) is later refering to Montenegro. But I will not interchange Ragusa with Montenegro. I´m still open for Serbia as a revolter, though - depends on how the poll will develop.

Hartmann

 

[Doomdark]

Are You sure that the conversion habits are attached to the tags? We also thought that tech restriction are, but they aren´t.

No, I am not sure. But to be on the safe side...

/Doomie

 

[unmerged(530)]

Now lets have a runoff between Serbia and Mecklembur+Bremen.

What about Mantua? That might be even better than Serbia...

 

[unmerged(827)]

Wait! Wales might get some legs... no runoff yet .

 

[Savant]

I don't want to vote for any of these to take the tag. What is so pressing to use this tag? Isn't it likely.. and I mean very likely that we will encounter a more compelling use for the tag in the near future? I say take the itching powder out of your shorts and get in the shower already!

Table the tag!

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Savant
Isn't it likely.. and I mean very likely that we will encounter a more compelling use for the tag in the near future?

But to deem this very likely You surely must have something in mind already?

Hartmann

 

[Guest]

Militing for the introduction of Transylvania:

after 1490, Hungary suffered a political and social crisis with revolts and raise of powerful nobles. in the transylvania province, local 'voîvoides' became almost independant. They refused to join the royal army at Mohacs, and became Turkey's vassal until 1699 when Austria annexed Transylvania.

Intrdocing it as a vassal of Hungary with bad relations and a better level with Turkey would weaken Hungary, inciting maybe Turkey AI to be more active in Europe, cleaning the way for Austria too.