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Originally posted by Jaron
didnt the hungarian french king get poland for awhile, or the opportunity to?

Nagy Lajos

1342-1382


"Lajos (Louis) is the only king in Hungarian history upon whom the adjective "The Great" (Nagy) was bestowed by posterity. This does not imply that he was the greatest king of all (King Mátyás would certainly get the majority vote on this account), but rather that during Lajos' reign, the King of Hungary ruled over a veritable empire.

But Lajos qualifies as a great king on other accounts as well. He was an admirer of King Saint László and emulated him as a Christian ruler. After his coronation, he promptly undertook a pilgrimage to the tomb of Saint László at Nagyvárad, and there made a vow to model his conduct on that of his idol.

It was a role difficult to fulfill. In physical appearance, he was a far cry from his model: while Saint László was a giant of a man, Lajos was uneven-shouldered and lacking the physical attributes of the ideal knight. But in Christian piety, humanity and courage he was, among the kings of Hungary, the most worthy of being Saint László's successor.

'There was no other known to be as kind and noble, moral and lofty-spirited, friendly and straightforward as he," noted a contemporary writer.


Although he was a peaceful man by nature, circumstances compelled him to fight many wars. His longest war was fought against Venice to recapture Dalmatia, the possession of which meant an outlet to the sea for Hungary. Since the reign of Kálmán the Booklover, Dalmatia had been the object of seesawing warfare between the two powers until 1381, when Venice finally surrendered to Lajos and pledged to pay Hungary an annual tribute.

His campaigns in the Balkans were aimed not so much at conquest and subjugation as at drawing the Serbs, Bosnians, Wallachians and Bulgarians into the fold of the Roman Catholic faith and at forming a united front against the looming Turkish menace. It was relatively easy to subdue them by arms, but to convert them was a different matter. Despite Lajos' efforts, the peoples of the Balkans remained faithful to the Eastern Orthodox Church and their attitude toward Hungary remained ambiguous. They regarded powerful Hungary as a potential menace to their national identity. For this reason, Hungary could never regard the Serbs and Wallachians as reliable allies in her subsequent wars against the Turks. However Lajos defeated the Turks when Hungarian and Turkish troops clashed for the first time in history at Nicapoli in 1366. The Hungarian Chapel in the Cathedral at Aachen was built to commemorate this victory.

In the North Lajos assisted his ally, King Casimir, in his wars against the pagan Lithuanians and Tartars, and against Bohemia. After Casimir's death in 1370, the Poles elected Lajos King of Poland in compliance with the agreement made in Visegrád during his father's reign."


"Some Hungarian historians do not count the two Angevin as foreign kings at all, and it is true that both of them, especially Louis, who was born and bred in Hungary, regarded themselves completely as Hungarians. Charles Robert had no other throne, and did not try to acquire another for himself. Louis treated all his acquisitions, except perhaps that of Poland, as appendices to Hungary, and even Poland he ruled through Hungarians. But it is easily arguable that his Balkan enterprises brought Hungary, on balance, more loss than profit, even if the large expense of them be left out of account, for few of the vassals proved loyal when a crisis came. Rather they regarded Hungary as an oppressor and hastened to make common cause with her enemies."
 
Queen Margaret of Scotland was raised in Hungary. Edward, son of Ethelred fled there after Canute took power and spent many years there too. Royal blood spread far and wide even at this early date. We shouldn't fear unusual inheritances as long as they are the exception to the rule.
 
But normally A big kingdom have the throne of a far-away kingdom not the "all way around"
( maybe onely the one that luxeburg have the thore of HUngary and Boemia )


And Navarre isn't a BIG KINGDOM
 
I´d really like to see the effects of a properly implemented "First crusade event". Of course with me at the reigns of one of the Byzantine dynasties it isn´t likely to happen which brings me to the other. The seljuk onslaught, I´d like to see how it gets pulled of.
 
Originally posted by I_Killed-Kenny
But normally A big kingdom have the throne of a far-away kingdom not the "all way around"
( maybe onely the one that luxeburg have the thore of HUngary and Boemia )


And Navarre isn't a BIG KINGDOM

Size doesn't have much to do with it. Remember, Navarre isn't annexing Norway, they just have the same king for a while.

Incidentally the Luxemburg family lands were in central Germany at the time they inherited Hungary, not around the modern pseudo-country Luxembourg.
 
Originally posted by snuggs
Size doesn't have much to do with it. Remember, Navarre isn't annexing Norway, they just have the same king for a while.

I know is just that normally the big kingdoms have the claim one smaller kingdoms not the "all the way around"
 
Originally posted by Gathenhielm
No problem, they are norweigans. They do stupid things quite often :D (a joke I hope I didnt offended anyone)

Just a bit... ;)

My favourite event? Must be the coronation of King Norg I of Jerusalem and Norway and much of the known World (tm)...

:rolleyes:

:D
 
Originally posted by I_Killed-Kenny
I know is just that normally the big kingdoms have the claim one smaller kingdoms not the "all the way around"
On what basis can you say that? Was it more common for large countries to marry into other, smaller countries' royalty? Take e.g. the Habsburg takeover in Spain - Wouldn't you say the Spanish realm were larger than the Austrian? Or the Angevine ascendancy in Hungary? Or on a later event the Saxon (Wettin) king of Poland?

Re: The Norwegian crown... we had a Bavarian king - I'd say that is just as far-off ;)

Just you wait until I get the game. I'll manouvre my Norwegian royal line to take over Portugal! :D :p
 
Originally posted by snuggs
Size doesn't have much to do with it. Remember, Navarre isn't annexing Norway, they just have the same king for a while.

Incidentally the Luxemburg family lands were in central Germany at the time they inherited Hungary, not around the modern pseudo-country Luxembourg.

Maybe when they inherited Hungary, but when they gained Bohemia in 1310, their lands were based in the modern Luxembourg...
 
Originally posted by Havard
you wait until I get the game. I'll manouvre my Norwegian royal line to take over Portugal! :D :p


I would demand a emidiate REVOLT!!!!! :D :D

And your kings would MELT DOWN here :D :D :p
 
Originally posted by I_Killed-Kenny
I know is just that normally the big kingdoms have the claim one smaller kingdoms not the "all the way around"

But what about the England being the King of France, yes I know they only held the right to the title for a while, but France is bigger than England.

What I look fowarded to most:

1. Normans in England/French conquests

2. Re-building the Roman Empire

3. Kiev!
 
Originally posted by Demetrios
Maybe when they inherited Hungary, but when they gained Bohemia in 1310, their lands were based in the modern Luxembourg...

Oh gugger. Hush my mouth. Aargh, you're so right, I just looked at my atlas and there it is. Luxemburg. It was bigger then too. Ugh.

Luxembourg sucks :D I think it's safe to say that, I've yet to come across one on this forum anyway.
 
it happens though! for example - out of our timeframe, but the kings of navarre became lords of france!

Then we have luxembourgh!

and I believe at one time, Navarre had considerable land in northern spain, didn't they?

Or what about the Angevins?

or the counts of flanders becoming emperors :eek:

:D

anymore havard? demetrios? Demetrios :eek:
 
Originally posted by chilliwilli
Mongol invasions will be what I look forward to and with some editing, so I can play The Mongols, I might be able to be the one doing the invading ;).

Me too, although i wish this would have included all of Eurasia and northern Africa in the game so i could play Ghenghas Khan, a japanese empire or expansionist china.

When will paradox make my dream come true? :(
 
Originally posted by Jinnai
Me too, although i wish this would have included all of Eurasia and northern Africa in the game so i could play Ghenghas Khan, a japanese empire or expansionist china.

When will paradox make my dream come true? :(

Paradox still has two games unannounced! Maybe they are working on your dream right now.:)
 
Originally posted by Jinnai
Me too, although i wish this would have included all of Eurasia and northern Africa in the game so i could play Ghenghas Khan, a japanese empire or expansionist china.

When will paradox make my dream come true? :(
I had brought this up as an expansion pack idea way time ago when CK was announced.:D Hoping that they would add the ROTW. This will probably be CK II though, and being that Ck is still in development, I don't think that a CK II would be one of the unannounced games.:(