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I stumbled on an article about the The Experiment a horse powered, screw propelled boat in the early 19th century. It reminded me of a discussion we had on here where I contemplated that exact idea during ancient times. (Of course, In my mind the discussion was only two or three years ago, but when I tracked it down it turned out to be six years old.)


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Lower Market Place, McCallum's Wharf, Quebec, Quebec, July 4, 1829.
So it turns out that I wasn't completely nuts. There were in fact horse-engine boats (the term is teamboat) and one of the designs was similar to what I postulated - a circular horse driven 'mill' type device turning one or more wheels and the aforementioned Experiment was pretty much as I described - a horse driven screw propeller and it sounds like it only failed due to poor construction.

They were quite popular in 19th century america for ferry service at the dawn of the steam age, only being driven out of use by newer generation steam engines although some even lasted into the 20th century!

So if the concept works. . . why weren't these a thing anywhere else and much earlier?

The Romans had horses, they had boats, they had treadwheel/treadmill powered machinery and horse powered rotary mills. Why not put these together?

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Roman Treadwheel for Mine Drainage
I suppose if the idea only makes sense for ferry service where you don't have to feed and stable the animals on board the ship the Romans may not have needed it much, as their empire was connected by sea going vessels and not river networks like 19th century America. However, if that is the main driver, there were other pre-modern societies that certainly could have used it. China, India (These guys didn't have horse mills until later) Renaissance Germany or Russia.

If the problem was more that labor was so cheap that horses couldn't compete with porters and ferrymen unless population density was low well the old discussion thread indicates that the ancients used animals on towpaths and oarsmen at least were quite expensive and it seems odd that teamboats were used in the american south where labor was also unfree.

If its like the bicycle problem and you just can't build the things without cheap quality steel and precision machine tools I'd say that seems unlikely going from the picture of the thing and the fact they were successful very early in the 19th century before either of those really existed.

Is it perhaps that ancient european horse breeds were too small to do this effectively? (I know little of horse breeding but this seems doubtful, especially as we get towards the renaissance)

What else am I missing? Maybe a combination of all the above?
 
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Power to weight ratio? The wide beam of the boat required by the circular pathway would create a lot of drag and would be rather inefficient, and a couple of horsepower isn't a lot to drive it. You can pack a lot of rowers into a tight space and produce more power per ton of gross weight in a much more streamlined boat. Then you add in food for the horses for traveling any significant distance, or have to make constant stops to resupply, and it's next to useless for any long-range travel. Consequently, sails are a far better approach for sea going vessels. If you're only going up and down a river or canal, a tow path takes the animals off the boat and places them on land for the additional cost of a rope, instead of including a huge circular pathway for them on board.

Ultimately, the idea is "workable", but not very efficient. I'm really surprised that it was used in the American south, of all places.
 
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Power to weight ratio?

That would be my first guess, too - if you need a lot of space just for your horse based propulsion system which isn't even really strong, you're loosing a lot of space for cargo or passengers.

Besides that - what happens if the horse is tired and can't power the boat effectively anymore? With several rowers you have still some "backup" to get the boat at least in a safe position, and men can actually communicate their need to rest easily. With a single horse you might keep on drifting on which is not safe.
 
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Power to weight ratio? The wide beam of the boat required by the circular pathway would create a lot of drag and would be rather inefficient, and a couple of horsepower isn't a lot to drive it. You can pack a lot of rowers into a tight space and produce more power per ton of gross weight in a much more streamlined boat. Then you add in food for the horses for traveling any significant distance, or have to make constant stops to resupply, and it's next to useless for any long-range travel. Consequently, sails are a far better approach for sea going vessels.

That would be my first guess, too - if you need a lot of space just for your horse based propulsion system which isn't even really strong, you're loosing a lot of space for cargo or passengers.

According to Wiki there were three general designs, only two of which required the wide circular path. The third seemed to be having the horses power the wheels in a 'parallel line' and stationary fashion so wasted space is only on the sides adjoining the paddle wheels.

Either way, it sounds like they could haul cargo just fine. I don't know what the comparison would be to comparable oared ferryboats but in exploring the sources in the wikipedia article it gives details like:

The Long Island Star said:
The first team boat in the United States is believed to have been put in service in 1814 on a run between Brooklyn and Manhattan. The Long Island Star reported that the boat took 8 to 18 minutes to cross the East River and carried an average of 200 passengers, plus horses and vehicles. The team boat was the principal type of ferry for open water for almost two decades, until the steamboat replaced it. However, many team boats operated well into the twentieth century.

And I agree it seems crazy to use these things for long distance work . . . but it seems to work out even for long journeys:

Transportation in the Antebellum South: An Economic Analysis said:
The South Carolina board of public works in its report for 1820 expressed some reliance in animal power for river navigation. It related an instance of a boat propelled by the labor of eight mules and navigated by five men, which carried 300 bales of cotton 250 miles in 15 days at a cost of $116.25. The method of using the teams was to drive them, hitched to a beam, in a circle on a platform above the main deck. The power was transmitted from the pivot of the beam through gearings to paddle-wheels like those on steamboats.

Again I'd like to know what the comparison was for other vessels but that's in SOUTH CAROLINA. The source also mentions a 24 horse vessel going from Savannah to Augusta GA in 12 days with cargo. I am dying to know why this made sense in the Black Belt but not someplace like renaissance Russia or Germany.

Kovax said:
If you're only going up and down a river or canal, a tow path takes the animals off the boat and places them on land for the additional cost of a rope, instead of including a huge circular pathway for them on board.

Premu said:
Besides that - what happens if the horse is tired and can't power the boat effectively anymore? With several rowers you have still some "backup" to get the boat at least in a safe position, and men can actually communicate their need to rest easily. With a single horse you might keep on drifting on which is not safe.

All of that makes perfect sense. . . but they still got used and used profitably. The last teamboat went out of service in the 1920s.

But here's the real kicker: One of the sources makes the claim that the ancients *did* use animal power in their ships.

reference for business said:
Current ferries were fine for narrow rivers that could be spanned by ropes or cables, but broad rivers or coastal bays required a different source of power. The "team boat," which appeared in America in the early nineteenth century, used mules or horses carried aboard the ferry to power a capstan or treadmill that drove a paddle wheel. The Romans apparently used oxen in a similar manner to propel war boats, but team boats were considered an ingenious new invention by early Americans.

Say WHAT????

Needless to say, this would lead to a *very interesting* scene change for any prospective remakes of Ben-Hur.

I didn't find anything in the article about the roman navy and initial searches didn't turn up much information but after some google fu I was able to track down the De Rubis Bellicis which apparently describes an ox driven paddle roman war ship. . . . we are almost back where we started.

So there is no archeological or textual evidence that the Ox powered paddle Liburnian was ever built let alone used. . .but I did find this paper which claims that it was possible. . . just as I suspected.

Phillipe Fleury said:
The virtual reconstruction is a way to show that the liburnian can work (however maybe not as fast and with as much power as the anonymous source claims) and that the system is not “crazy” or “purely imaginary”. Therefore it is possible that this boat could have really been built.

So it was at least possible AND being thought about way back then in the late Roman Empire. . . and it was actual reality much later in antebellum America. Why such a lag between possibility and reality? What are the reasons nobody else did this? I really want to know.

Kovax said:
You can pack a lot of rowers into a tight space and produce more power per ton of gross weight in a much more streamlined boat.

To bring the question all the way back to my original comment in the old thread: What about replacing oars with manual screw propellers?

Say one or more large archimedes screws protruding near the aft waterline attached to a long handled crank and operated by a gang of 'screwmen' moving in coordination like pistons. Would that be more efficient than banks of oars?

It would certainly require less skill, although I imagine ancient shipwrights would have issues with keeping protrusions under the waterline permanently sealed. They could certainly work out a gearing system to allow the protrusion to exit above the waterline, but the loss in efficiency and durability might kill it. Maybe simply have an angled 'screwdeck' that bends down to the water off the back?
 
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A quick analysis of the alternate methods to move a boat helps to answer this question.

Sail
Advantages: Cheap to build, no energy inputs other than the wind, can be used continuously (overnight and over long distances).
Disadvantages: Needs reliable wind for a primary means of use

Oars
Advantages: Always available, high potential output (can resist currents and winds)
Disadvantages: Short duration and high cost (multiple oarsmen needed)

Screw
Advantages: Always available, high potential output, long duration of use (horses walking can go for much longer than human oarsmen)
Disadvantages: Complex to build and maintain, possibly unreliable mechanism (lots of moving parts and things to go wrong), horses may behave unpredictably (particularly in emergencies).

Towed (animal on a tow path)
Advantages: Greater efficiency per animal than screw (no mechanical losses), simple and cheap
Disadvantages: Requires a tow path

So:
Sails are superior anywhere there is a reliable breeze. The sea has this (on and off shore winds)
Oars are best when you need a lot of highly controllable power (hence their importance in warships)
Towed is best when used in a situation where there is no wind, but there is a suitable tow path
Screw is really only superior when used on a river that has a low flow rate and swampy or very high banks.

Given these criteria it becomes fairly clear why screw power was not adopted in spite of its technical feasibility in Europe. It is really only in the lower reaches of the Mississippi in the 19th century that the particular combination of factors makes it economically optimal. It is worth noting that the drive mechanism is not a trivial mechanical devise, and really only becomes economically feasible to manufacture with the appearance of low cost machined parts. Remember that the standard solution to poor quality construction, build it in a more robust manner (bigger and heavier), whilst adequate in a water mill, is not feasible on a boat where space and tonnage can both be at a premium.
 
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Horses also need alot of food. I dont know the exact ratio but you can propably feed five rowers for one horse.
 
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I stumbled on an article about the The Experiment a horse powered, screw propelled boat in the early 19th century. It reminded me of a discussion we had on here where I contemplated that exact idea during ancient times. (Of course, In my mind the discussion was only two or three years ago, but when I tracked it down it turned out to be six years old.)


Lower_Market_Place%2C_McCallum%27s_Wharf%2C_Quebec%2C_Quebec.jpg

Lower Market Place, McCallum's Wharf, Quebec, Quebec, July 4, 1829.
So it turns out that I wasn't completely nuts. There were in fact horse-engine boats (the term is teamboat) and one of the designs was similar to what I postulated - a circular horse driven 'mill' type device turning one or more wheels and the aforementioned Experiment was pretty much as I described - a horse driven screw propeller and it sounds like it only failed due to poor construction.

They were quite popular in 19th century america for ferry service at the dawn of the steam age, only being driven out of use by newer generation steam engines although some even lasted into the 20th century!

So if the concept works. . . why weren't these a thing anywhere else and much earlier?

The Romans had horses, they had boats, they had treadwheel/treadmill powered machinery and horse powered rotary mills. Why not put these together?

373px-Archscrew2.jpg

Roman Treadwheel for Mine Drainage
I suppose if the idea only makes sense for ferry service where you don't have to feed and stable the animals on board the ship the Romans may not have needed it much, as their empire was connected by sea going vessels and not river networks like 19th century America. However, if that is the main driver, there were other pre-modern societies that certainly could have used it. China, India (These guys didn't have horse mills until later) Renaissance Germany or Russia.

If the problem was more that labor was so cheap that horses couldn't compete with porters and ferrymen unless population density was low well the old discussion thread indicates that the ancients used animals on towpaths and oarsmen at least were quite expensive and it seems odd that teamboats were used in the american south where labor was also unfree.

If its like the bicycle problem and you just can't build the things without cheap quality steel and precision machine tools I'd say that seems unlikely going from the picture of the thing and the fact they were successful very early in the 19th century before either of those really existed.

Is it perhaps that ancient european horse breeds were too small to do this effectively? (I know little of horse breeding but this seems doubtful, especially as we get towards the renaissance)

What else am I missing? Maybe a combination of all the above?

Very interesting. I learned something here.

I will show you what you are missing. Look at that wide deck on that narrow ship on which the horses trod. If the sea gets remotely choppy, a wave will clip that deck and the whole thing will flip. The worse the weather, the more impractical the horses become.
 
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Very interesting. I learned something here.

I will show you what you are missing. Look at that wide deck on that narrow ship on which the horses trod. If the sea gets remotely choppy, a wave will clip that deck and the whole thing will flip. The worse the weather, the more impractical the horses become.
i was thinking the same thing.

such a device might work in the broad, relatively slow moving rivers of the American south and west, where pasture for the horses was relatively abundant. in Europe? it would be terribly inefficient.
 
Screw
Advantages: Always available, high potential output, long duration of use (horses walking can go for much longer than human oarsmen)
Disadvantages: Complex to build and maintain, possibly unreliable mechanism (lots of moving parts and things to go wrong), horses may behave unpredictably (particularly in emergencies).
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Sails are superior anywhere there is a reliable breeze. The sea has this (on and off shore winds)
Oars are best when you need a lot of highly controllable power (hence their importance in warships)
Towed is best when used in a situation where there is no wind, but there is a suitable tow path
Screw is really only superior when used on a river that has a low flow rate and swampy or very high banks.

You are right but there weren't actually any teamboats propelled by Screw other than The Experiment.

They used paddle wheels, which in some designs don't even need gearing, just a treadmill if this picture is anything to go by, and even the rotary mill type is millennia old tech.

Henxy IX said:
Given these criteria it becomes fairly clear why screw power was not adopted in spite of its technical feasibility in Europe. It is really only in the lower reaches of the Mississippi in the 19th century that the particular combination of factors makes it economically optimal. It is worth noting that the drive mechanism is not a trivial mechanical devise, and really only becomes economically feasible to manufacture with the appearance of low cost machined parts.

I'm not sure about this. They (paddle wheel propelled teamboats) operated on East coast ocean bays, rivers of the antebellum South and transport networks on the Ohio, Hudson, and more. Most innovation was intended to help ascend rivers so I suspect the economics works when you need long, sustained motive power that isn't available anywhere else. . . like going against an otherwise calm current in an area where sufficient wind isn't available or reliable. Does that really only describe the early United States and not someplace like Russian or Chinese river trade? Baltic ports with lots of annoying islands? (Like say Stockholm)

I'm no expert but I'm also skeptical that machine parts were low cost in 1810 USA in a way that they wouldn't have been in 1700s prussia or 1600s China. Certainly Yankee craftsmen were doing yankee crafts , but it was still an industrial backwater until later in the century.
 
Maybe slaves were cheaper than horses, also in means of maintenance :)

But then we are back to wondering why it worked in South Carolina. The endurance and strength of animal teams must have added value above what it cost to feed them.

Horses also need alot of food. I dont know the exact ratio but you can propably feed five rowers for one horse.

You're probably right but even Candieland plantation didn't send their cotton to market on rickshaws pulled by negro slaves. There's gotta be more to it.
 
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Very interesting. I learned something here.

I will show you what you are missing. Look at that wide deck on that narrow ship on which the horses trod. If the sea gets remotely choppy, a wave will clip that deck and the whole thing will flip. The worse the weather, the more impractical the horses become.

Certainly, and I have yet to run across anything saying they roamed any farther into open sea than New York bay. . . but why would it not also work on the Thames estuary or Tokyo bay?

i was thinking the same thing.

such a device might work in the broad, relatively slow moving rivers of the American south and west, where pasture for the horses was relatively abundant. in Europe? it would be terribly inefficient.

Now that's starting to get somewhere. Still it could work on the Volga or Hungarian parts of the Danube, no?

Edit: Also, New York City wasn't the sea of pavement it is now, but I doubt it was easy limitless fodder even back then.
 
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Certainly, and I have yet to run across anything saying they roamed any farther into open sea than New York bay. . . but why would it not also work on the Thames estuary or Tokyo bay?

If it worked as well in reality as it does on paper, it would have been seen in every harbor and river possible. But it looks like, to me, to be something that sounds great in theory but is less so in practice. I don't know, it is an interesting concept, I just see the problems of calming horses in a storm.
 
You are right but there weren't actually any teamboats propelled by Screw other than The Experiment.

They used paddle wheels, which in some designs don't even need gearing, just a treadmill if this picture is anything to go by, and even the rotary mill type is millennia old tech.

You are correct - I was careless with my terminology. The images you posted with your OP clearly show paddlewheels not propeller systems.

None the less, a paddlewheel system, particularly one that converts horizontal rotation to vertical rotation is a complex mechanism that requires metal joiners at least, to produce a robust and lightweight mechanism. It is certainly possible to produce an all wooden design for this, and such designs had been known in Europe for at least 600 years, but to scale it to a small boat (such as those pictured) whilst keeping it robust would have been a considerable challenge.

I'm no expert but I'm also skeptical that machine parts were low cost in 1810 USA in a way that they wouldn't have been in 1700s prussia or 1600s China. Certainly Yankee craftsmen were doing yankee crafts , but it was still an industrial backwater until later in the century.

By the early 1800s Britain was exporting more than 30000 tonnes of iron per year. This is more than their entire production a century before. The processes of rolling and puddling iron hugely increased the efficiency and quality of iron manufacturing, with consequent drops in cost. In addition, the production of crucible steel in the 1740s also allowed the production of high quality tools, also reducing the cost of manufactured goods. For example, in Charleston, the cost of both imported and raw commodities dropped by around 40% in real terms, which has obvious implications on the costs of manufactured products. This also demonstrates the changes the economics of the early part of the industrial revolution.

So, yes, iron and manufactured products would have been much, much cheaper in the 19th century USA than in past times, even at a time and in places where the industrial revolution had not yet taken hold.

Data on costs is from Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, Volume 1 available at https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1975/compendia/hist_stats_colonial-1970.html
 
So, it seems to have been economically viable in a rather narrow range of situations, existing from the time that the necessary machined parts became affordable to the time when steam power replaced it, other than in a few unusual cases where it continued in use long after it had become obsolete.
 
I'll go with the "European rivers probably weren't well suited" theory as well. Even the Rhine was barely shippable until they did major works in the 18th century. Which was why main use were small ships (too small for any sort of horse propulsion system) and wood floats, as in "tie a bunch of wood together and let it float somewhere". Those things did get huge but it didn't matter if the water got shallow or anything like that. And probably any sort of propulsion system aside from drifting along would have been seen as a waste.

If you needed to go the other direction even the Romans used treideln, aka pulling ships via small paths next to the river. It's probably just that much simpler and worked for most rivers. And there were also forms like stochern, which is basically using a long stick to push off the river ground (which says a lot about the depth of many European rivers ^^).

As for estuaries I suspect there you wanted vessels that'd also work in rough open seas and the less possibilities of faults the better for those, I'd guess. So horses needed a lot of supplies, they might panic, the mechanism might break etc. Probably not so ideal for North Sea voyages and such.

So I'm not surprised it wasn't a thing in Germany.

But it just might also be that nobody thought of it. Even if it seems like an obvious application retrospectively (does it?) the idea just might have gone unnoticed.
 
I'll go with the "European rivers probably weren't well suited" theory as well. Even the Rhine was barely shippable until they did major works in the 18th century. Which was why main use were small ships (too small for any sort of horse propulsion system) and wood floats, as in "tie a bunch of wood together and let it float somewhere". Those things did get huge but it didn't matter if the water got shallow or anything like that. And probably any sort of propulsion system aside from drifting along would have been seen as a waste.

If you needed to go the other direction even the Romans used treideln, aka pulling ships via small paths next to the river. It's probably just that much simpler and worked for most rivers. And there were also forms like stochern, which is basically using a long stick to push off the river ground (which says a lot about the depth of many European rivers ^^).

As for estuaries I suspect there you wanted vessels that'd also work in rough open seas and the less possibilities of faults the better for those, I'd guess. So horses needed a lot of supplies, they might panic, the mechanism might break etc. Probably not so ideal for North Sea voyages and such.

So I'm not surprised it wasn't a thing in Germany.

But it just might also be that nobody thought of it. Even if it seems like an obvious application retrospectively (does it?) the idea just might have gone unnoticed.

maybe it is not 100% true, but after Hungary was liberated (whatever it means) from the Turks there was quite a flow downstream the Danube due to the immigrating German settler, however not much happened upstream. So typically they built a boat at Ulm, brought the emmigrants to somewhere in Hungary, and sold the boat as wood. The sailor then went back on foot.
 
By the early 1800s Britain was exporting more than 30000 tonnes of iron per year. This is more than their entire production a century before. The processes of rolling and puddling iron hugely increased the efficiency and quality of iron manufacturing, with consequent drops in cost. In addition, the production of crucible steel in the 1740s also allowed the production of high quality tools, also reducing the cost of manufactured goods. For example, in Charleston, the cost of both imported and raw commodities dropped by around 40% in real terms, which has obvious implications on the costs of manufactured products. This also demonstrates the changes the economics of the early part of the industrial revolution.

So, yes, iron and manufactured products would have been much, much cheaper in the 19th century USA than in past times, even at a time and in places where the industrial revolution had not yet taken hold.

Data on costs is from Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, Volume 1 available at https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1975/compendia/hist_stats_colonial-1970.html


Thanks for that, it's very interesting and makes a good case that at least the availability of the necessary instruments (whether they imported the mechanisms or just the raw material) was much improved over earlier times.

So, it seems to have been economically viable in a rather narrow range of situations, existing from the time that the necessary machined parts became affordable to the time when steam power replaced it, other than in a few unusual cases where it continued in use long after it had become obsolete.

In fact, I was about to accept this explanation and assume it was like the bicycle. Conceptually simple enough but even if you very well can make a medieval bicycle out of wood and iron that works, it just isn't possible to make one that is dependable and has a useful lifetime worth the specialized labor required to make it until better quality and higher tech machine parts show up beginning in the 18th century. Combine that with Yakman's insight that you need a lot of open range on the route for horses and call it done.

Just a couple things kept niggling at me.

1.) If it needs britain to launch the industrial revolution to work, why was the United States and Canada the only places that got it? If the UK was exporting all this steel and tools shouldn't the continent have benefited as well? If these sorts of exports were limited by mercantilism then shouldn't India, Australia, South Africa or similar have benefitted as well? Perhaps most puzzling, wouldn't Ireland and Britain itself have had the necessary ingredients?

2.) The tech for bicycles and steam engines certainly are beyond most pre-modern societies to get up and keep going but I keep returning to the fact that paddle wheels and horse mills are *really* simple and *really* ancient. You don't need specialized tools to make them, in fact you don't even need iron other than for the nails.

Maybe steamboats developed too quickly in Britain and Europe for Teamboats to take hold if they both rely on the same technological catalysts. Although Commercial steamboat service started in America sooner than Europe, I have no knowledge in how quickly it 'rolled out' in comparison and an interesting wrinkle is the monopoly on Steamboat service granted to Fulton and Livingston. The popularity of teamboats start just when the monopoly is stoking animosity across the country and the decline of teamboats for hauling cargo upriver (though not shorter urban ferries such as in New York or portages) seems to coincide with its destruction at the hands of the supreme court.

Is that the missing piece of the puzzle? Well, it might explain why only the Americans kept at it when Steam Engines were being developed, but the fact that Teamboats were profitable and kept in service at all meant they were better than poling keelboats upriver. It's still the fact that a paddle wheel and treadmill isn't that complicated. . . so why didn't anybody do it earlier when Steam Engines weren't an option?


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The Alternative without Steam or Teamboats

Well, turns out they did.

I already mentioned the De Rebus Bellicis but In furthe research I learned that the Chinese actually built and maintained fleets of treadmill powered paddle wheel ships for hundreds of years in the Tang (618-907) and Song (960-1279) dynasties for war, and much longer for civilian river traffic. Eighth century texts describe a Tang naval boat with two wheels on its sides propelled by treadmills. Joseph Needham related "The boats were driven by human pedaling and were able to cruise hundreds of kilometers per day with no wind blowing." The Song dynasty built massive warships with up to 11 wheels on each side with banks of oarsmen entirely replaced by crewmen pedaling in compartments below deck.

Much of the fighting centered on the control of strategic inland waters, rivers and lakes, for which paddleboats, powered by the legs of their crews and not dependent on the wind, were ideal.
Some were capable of carrying 700 to 800 hundred men apiece and were propelled by the energy of more than twenty men on treadmills or turning capstans. By the end of the wars, both sides had reportedly fielded thousands of such vessels, but with the end of hostilities, paddleboats in China soon went out of favor.

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Chinese "Thousand League Boat" from Qing Era Illustration



Funnily enough, even though paddle boats fell out of use in China after the mongol conquest they were 'rediscovered' and put into use against the British during the opium wars. These vessels were composed of four wheels (two fore, two aft) each with six blades and each wheel was turned by two men who stood shoulder to shoulder and pushed/drove the wheel.

A quote from British forces after the battle of Wusong river illustrating that you don't need iron or precision machine tools to build these contraptions:

British Naval report said:
Some way further up the [Wusong] river, fourteen war-junks were in sight, and also five large newly-built wheel-boats, each moved by four wooden paddlewheels. . . . These wheel-junks were fitted with two paddlewheels on either side, strongly constructed of wood. The shaft, which was also of wood, had a number of strong wooden cogs upon it, and was turned by means of a capstan, fitted also with cogs, and worked round by men. The machinery was all below, between decks, so that the men were under cover. They were all quite newly-built, and carried some two, some three, newly-cast brass guns, besides a number of large ginjals [heavy muskets].

The british captured some and assumed it was an attempted copy of their steamships. (Which it was in a way, as the Chinese hadn't yet worked out that it was the steam moving the wheel and not some interaction with the fire or smoke from the smokestacks, but it was based on much older indigenous ideas that classically educated Chinese would be familiar with.

In fact, muscle powered paddle wheels were apparently used in Southern China into the 20th century.

The Chinese weren't the only ones, however. According to the The Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea,

"In Europe the idea of constructing a paddle-wheel boat appears in several old manuscripts which date back to the 15th century, and such a mode of transport probably dates back much further. However, the first recorded use of them was in 1543 when, manned by a crew of 40 working on capstans or treadmills, some were employed as tugs in Barcelona and Malaga harbours, and treadmill paddle boats were still in regular use on the River Loire at the start of the 19th century."

Tracking that information down leads to Blasco De Garay, who developed and tested a number of different paddlewheel tug designs for Carlos I. These were slower than oared boats so were abandoned.

So here we are.

1.) A muscle powered drive definitely works on a river or calm water ship. The Chinese built them a millennia ago and kept operating them for centuries.

2.) A Horse engine drive definitely works on river or calm water. The Americans wouldn't have kept building them if they were less efficient than poling against the current or blazing towpaths along every river. They were even better at moving things across a bay than oars.


Why didn't the Chinese ever switch out their man powered drives for animal drives?

Why didn't anybody else develop effective paddlewheel boats before the steam age?


In addition to all the limitations already proposed by the fine paradoxers in this thread, I suspect in the case of the Chinese warships since the wheelmen didn't need specialized training in rowing they were a feature. They would be just as useful as naval infantry or sailors when they weren't needed to row, removing them to make room for a specialized animal team might be counter productive even if that might have made the ship move faster or longer.

I also think that maybe a lot of places that could have really benefitted from teamboats already had towpaths or other infrastructure. China had an extensive and ancient system of managed canals, but I suspect the same sort of thing applied in Europe and India. America would be a place that had a pressing need for ascending rivers and no ancient infrastructure to assist. Still doesn't explain why they didn't find a use as tugs or for bay and river crossings in the rest of the world, (There we might be satisfied with Senor De Garay's failures in speed except for the fact the Chinese seemed to have worked that out and made very fast ships) but I think there might also be a little bit of Pyoro's 'nobody thought of it'.

There's obviously obstacles and issues but I'm still not convinced it doesn't work, properly designed. The Chinese seem to be pretty much there.

This was a very interesting ad-hoc research project and I can't say I'm done with it yet. There's very little of the chinese stuff on the web in english.

I'll have to look up Mr. Needham's book.
 
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This paper goes into more detail about the history of Teamboats than I was able to find yesterday. It seems the railroad had as much to do with the decline of teamboats as newer steamboats did, which kinda goes along with my point about infrastructure I suppose.

Also covers innovations in Teamboat tech going up until the 1840s.


Interesting tidbit about the economics and cost:

Horseboats began as a substitute for steamboats, but their utility and cost made them attractive. The cost to build the steamboat, Nassau, was $30,000, whereas a horseboat, complete with extra horses and a stable, was $12,000. By 1819 eight to twelve horse-powered boats operated between Manhattan and points across the Hudson and East Rivers (Crisman and Cohn 1998).

European visitors to North America considered horseboats a novel form of transportation, and advocated their adoption in the Old World. England used a horseboat between Hull and Gainesborough on the Trent River around 1818 or 1819 (Crisman and Cohn 1998). In Switzerland a catamaran-hulled vessel served as a ferry and excursion boat on Lake Geneva in 1825. This boat was known as the bateau-manege ("treadmill boat"), or more derisively as L'Escargot du Lac ("Snail of the Lake") (Meystre 1967). Horses had their limitations as a power source, but they were safe (Crisman and Cohn 1998). Horses did not overheat and set the boat on fire, nor did they over pressurize and violently explode.


Also mentions an English horseboat in the 17th century

Prince Rupert, a cousin of King Charles II of England, designed and built the first horseboat about 1680 (Crisman and Cohn 1998). This vessel used a horse-whim mechanism and was powered by four to eight horses. This boat was used at the Royal Navy’s Chatham Dockyard on the Medway River in 1682 and was capable of towing the largest ships of the Royal Navy (Stuart 1829).

The reference (stuart) cites roman manuscripts that describe Claudius Caudex landing an army in Sicily borne by ox driven wheeled ships. Haven't run across that claim before. (EDIT Wikipedia says its dubious )


This site has some more illustrations of the various types.

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A six horse, 10 KMH horizontal treadmill teamboat from 1827.

The first article in this magazine goes over the entire history of paddleboats in more detail.

If you read the whole thing, you *definitely* do not get the impression that teamboats were only useful in a limited or narrow scope.

Interesting anecdote:

In late 1815, a Nova Scotia company, originally founded as the Halifax Steamboat Company to ferry freight and passengers between Halifax and Dartmouth, dispatched Robert Tremain to New York and Philadelphia to determine which mode of transportation was more efficient and profitable, the steamboat or teamboat. Tremain returned convinced that it was the teamboat. Such vessels could be built for less than $4,500, could operate effectively in waters with currents of over four knots and, unlike the expensive steam engines on Fulton’s boats, required little upkeep. If necessary, the teamboat could be easily converted to steam power. Moses Rogers was commissioned to produce a working model of the vessel. Soon, construction work based upon Rogers’ plan was underway. On November 8, 1815, with the launching of the teamboat Sherbrooke at Halifax, the Halifax Steamboat Company officially changed its name to the Halifax Teamboat Company: the teamboat had arrived in Canada. A specially designed receiving wharf was constructed at both terminal points of the route (a practice that would become common at teamboat landings across North America), and by 1817 the vessel was in full operation. It would continue in service for the next fifteen years. During its life, the treadmill of Sherbrooke would be the subject of considerable testing with a variety of livestock, including cattle, horses, and mules. The company would even experiment to determine which types of feed produced the strongest and most durable animals.


Also it turns out Southerners did try to power boats with slaves, though it doesn't sound like they were able to compete fully with team or steamboats . . . which makes one wonder even more why the Chinese never tried animal power.

In the Deep South, black slaves occasionally powered the teamboat. Indeed, several patents had been granted specifically for human-powered paddle wheelers. One such patent had been granted to William Sprague as early as 1795 and was boasted as a vast improvement over the Fitch design. Variations in the design of the human-powered propulsion system soon began to turn up with some frequency. Some, such as B.S. Doxey’s slave-powered ship, patented in 1821, were merely improvements on the original Liburna design. Others, such as M. Battel’s paddle-wheel towboat, also patented in 1821, powered by men at oars, which turned a system of chains, gears, and cogs attached to the paddle wheel shaft, were more fanciful than practical.
 
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