Why do I lose all technologies when I westernize?

[es157]

I'm playing HFM as Madagascar. I'm sphered by France and the year is 1874. I got a few technologies from events and decisions, but once I completed my westernization and clicked the button "Westernize", my technology tab started showing me with 1836 start game level of technology (in other words, I only have the first level of every tech).

The year being 1874, it is impossible to keep playing and competing with other countries with a 40 years gap in tech. I simply can't start researching everything from the bottom this late and hope to catch up.

I know Madagascar is supposed to be severely handicapped compared to any Great Power, but I hoped that at the very least I could retain the techs I already had prior to westernization. I always read that nations that westernize automatically acquire a number of technologies based on what the Great Powers have researched, but I got nothing at all. It's impossible that any Great Power doesn't have any technology researched in 1874.

Anyone, please shed some light to me. Why am I getting no technology from westernizing, and how can I address this? Could I make a an event that gives free techs to compensate for this handicap somewhat?

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

I'm playing HFM as Madagascar. ....? Could I make a an event that gives free techs to compensate for this handicap somewhat?

While i have no idea about HFM and how to mod it, for the latter it would be better asked in the User Modifications subforum anyway,
if it were just for your current campaign, you could instead simply cheat with a console command to get the techs you think approriate.

So one of these

inr - Short version of instantresearch. Doesn't affect the AI.
or
addresearch(addr) [techname] - Adds technology at specified name.
invention(invent) [name] - Triggers specified invention.

Commands in brackets () are alternative options since HoD.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Outside that, do you know how it wokrs in the unmodded game ?

You don't lose technology, but you need to get all pre-reform inventions to have any tech on level two.
No idea how or if that is different in HFM.

Beside that i'm not sure, as i haven't played for too long now to remember exactly (my real life disk gets cleaned too often).

 

[Bunnytob]

Technologies you get from westernisation decisions are unfortunately ignored - I don't remember how exactly it works, but the game gives you technologies based on what the rest of the world's civilised nations have, and I think this isn't different in HFM.

So when you say that

I simply can't start researching everything from the bottom this late and hope to catch up.

I'm afraid that that is exactly what you have to do, and always has been exactly what you've had to do. At least techs get discounted based on how old they are.

 

[es157]

I know I am supposed to lag behind the great powers, but I think I got too few techs to start with so late.

 

[es157]

Outside that, do you know how it wokrs in the unmodded game ?

You don't lose technology, but you need to get all pre-reform inventions to have any tech on level two.
No idea how or if that is different in HFM.

Beside that i'm not sure, as i haven't played for too long now to remember exactly (my real life disk gets cleaned too often).

I really don't think it works like that. In my experience, your reforms pre-westernization don't matter when deciding which techs you get. I could be wrong though.

I think the mod works the same as vanilla in this aspect.

 

[es157]

Outside that, do you know how it wokrs in the unmodded game ?

You don't lose technology, but you need to get all pre-reform inventions to have any tech on level two.
No idea how or if that is different in HFM.

Beside that i'm not sure, as i haven't played for too long now to remember exactly (my real life disk gets cleaned too often).

I really don't think it works like that. In my experience, your reforms pre-westernization don't matter when deciding which techs you get. I could be wrong though.

I think the mod works the same as vanilla in this aspect.

 

[Quantum_AI]

On westernizing, you get all tech that every other GP has researched.

Usually its Russia that is lagging behind or if you are really unlucky, Ottomans are still a GP!

 

[Klopovod]

In unmoded game y cant get level 2 technology