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That's the same for any download service, indeed is the same for any software you buy regardless of how you get it - read an EULA some day. You don't 'own' Windows, Office, GTA5 - all you ever buy is a license to use it.

Too late. I already knew this. I'm not happy about it, but it harder for Microsoft to take away my OS, or GTA Since it's on a disc.
 
What annoys me about it is that you're dependent on it to be able to play the game. If you don't have Steam installed, or if your Internet connection is down or slow, you can't play a game you've paid for. I also don't like not having my own copy, physical or otherwise. I know the whole license stuff that AndrewT has pointed out above but the fact that Steam ends up having the monopoly annoys me -- it's very different from having the game on my HD or on a DVD or something. I think it's a convenient system since you don't have to re-buy the game or dig around your room to find a DVD whenever you want to re-install the game or if you buy a new computer or your HD gets wiped out. I wish there were more (viable) alternatives, like a website that worked like Steam in the sense of letting you install games again if you've already paid for them, but which didn't require you to work "within" it and start it up every single time.
Steam does not require that at all, that's the choice of the software developer. In PDS's case you do NOT need to run Steam to run the game at all. Once the game is on your HD you can uninstall Steam and still play (say EU3, CK2 or EU4) just fine. You can burn the game folder to a CD and it's there for life (well, the life of the CD anyway).

GamersGate may be more to your taste as there is no local client, but then you miss out on the extra features that Steam bring to your table like Steamworks, Steam MP, automatic patching, free Cloud saves, one purchase for access to PC/Mac/Linux versions and so on. If another vendor with a comparable feature set were to appear I have no doubt Paradox would leap onto that opportunity, I don't imagine they are thrilled by dealing with a monopoly, but they have to deal with the marketplace as it is, not as they (or you) wish it to be.
 
My only concern with steam is that the day they want, they can say : "ok, we don't provide this game anymore"
They won't do it now, but in 20 years, I have some doubt that they will still have current game available.

And in that case, the only solution would have been to have made a copy and get a "cracked" version of the files when you bought the game legally.


After, I don't like the monopole they are building as the more they get the more powerful they grow and could, if they want, screw the players and the companies hitting the industry to their profit.
 
But surley, by the medieval period, the Greeks no longer aspirated the 'Rho' at the begging of words, so it should really be written as 'Romania' and also.... oh my god, it's happening again!

I know it isn't pronounced that way but it still pronounced different than Romania (in Greek at least).. and of course people would think people called it Romania.
Rhomania (the actual name) in Greek: Ρωμανία (pronounced Romaniiia)
Romania (the modern nation) in Greek: Ρουμανία (There is an U sound instead)
 
There are people who are inclined to be wary about giving outsiders access to modify their hard drive. I have seen no reason at all to think Valve Corporation is inclined to abuse this privilege, but mistakes happen. Then again, it gives them the ability to arbitrarily revoke one's access to the game one bought (yes, I know the EULA gives companies the "right" to with or without Steam, but without the constant internet connection Steam gives, they lack the ability). Again, I have seen no reason at all to think that they abuse this privilege, but some people are inclined to be wary of trusting the permanent good will of a corporation- or just of trusting the good will of strangers over the internet. Also, the automatic updating (which doesn't stop when you disable "automatic updates") is just a pain.



Paradox, thoughtfully, gives us the ability to copy the game directory out of the steam folder, and run it (once installed) without an internet connection or even with Steam removed, so the disadvantages can be mitigated or removed, but I think some people turn the whole thing into a matter of principle.

I also note that, when Steam goes under (I say when, not if, since nothing actually lasts forever), EUIV will be the first Europa Universalis game of which people are completely unable to play multiplayer.

How do you play without Steam?
 
Personally I dislike steam because I didn't choose to have it. I bought a hard copy of a game that could only be activated through steam. It's the mandatory way in which I had to be their customer if I wanted access to the game I had just bought and installed. Anyway creating monopolies is not healthy for the consumers wallet, which is what steam seems to be in the process of doing. However, that aside I have grown to like it and find it very useful. So don't hate anymore, just a dull resentment.
 
Personally I dislike steam because I didn't choose to have it. I bought a hard copy of a game that could only be activated through steam. It's the mandatory way in which I had to be their customer if I wanted access to the game I had just bought and installed. Anyway creating monopolies is not healthy for the consumers wallet, which is what steam seems to be in the process of doing. However, that aside I have grown to like it and find it very useful. So don't hate anymore, just a dull resentment.
I wouldn't consider Valve to have a monopoly on the market. They have plenty of competitors; EA with Origin, GamersGate, GOG, Gamefly with its PC service. None of these can Valve pressure to just go away, as all have respectable shares of the market (well, except maybe Gamefly's PC service, but who knows).
And the only time Steam will bring harm to your wallet is during the big sales :p
 
I gave up the fight and sold my soul. It'll likely end up in my suicide note if I ever go that route.

In all seriousness, I wish it didn't exist, or was very fringe. But then you have manufacturers using rootkit DRM and other dial home stuff you don't(or at least aren't supposed to) know about. I'd rather the evil I can see I guess. I still only run it in Windows in a VM.
 
I wouldn't consider Valve to have a monopoly on the market. They have plenty of competitors; EA with Origin, GamersGate, GOG, Gamefly with its PC service. None of these can Valve pressure to just go away, as all have respectable shares of the market (well, except maybe Gamefly's PC service, but who knows).
And the only time Steam will bring harm to your wallet is during the big sales :p

I said "in the process of doing" so wait and see I guess. But they are certainly narrowing the market. Of those mentioned Gamersgate is the only other one I've used and I can't agree that it is any sort of competition to steam. They sell steam keys you still have to download steam and agree to their license agreement to play the games whether you like it or not. That's not choice.

They're the walmart of the games industry :p
 
I said "in the process of doing" so wait and see I guess. But they are certainly narrowing the market. Of those mentioned Gamersgate is the only other one I've used and I can't agree that it is any sort of competition to steam. They sell steam keys you still have to download steam and agree to their license agreement to play the games whether you like it or not. That's not choice.

They're the walmart of the games industry :p
Come now, Steam doesn't treat their mistreat their workers like Walmart does
 
Personally I dislike steam because I didn't choose to have it. I bought a hard copy of a game that could only be activated through steam. It's the mandatory way in which I had to be their customer if I wanted access to the game I had just bought and installed. Anyway creating monopolies is not healthy for the consumers wallet, which is what steam seems to be in the process of doing. However, that aside I have grown to like it and find it very useful. So don't hate anymore, just a dull resentment.

This. It's the exclusivity of studios releasing games only on Steam that I don't like. I have nothing against Steam in and of itself. Although I believe that monopolies breed laziness, arrogance and eventually incompetence. Give me retail options so I can choose with my money how to obtain games I want to play. So really it was Paradox's choice with exclusively releasing EUIV through Steam that I don't like.
 
Steam : if it works fine but....
Problems with Steam;
1) They change the bit that runs in your PC regularly, there is no guarantee that an updated version of their softwear will work, there is even less guarantee that they will sort it out. e.g. For some reason they made a change to the DNS lookup years ago, it was down to the forum to diagnose what they had done wrong, then their guy on the forum released another version which worked and complained about people who's PCs were too slow!
2) If your account gets a problem, forget it there is no way that they will respond this side of hell freezing over and when they do it'll be irrelevant to your problem.
conclusion: If you have to run steam you need multiple accounts as in one per game to give you the robustness so that you don't loose the lot when they screw up. You also need some non-steam games to play while you wait the two week minimum time frame it takes to see if by some perchance this problem will be soleved or if you are going to have to buy another licence for the game, or even find (yet) another PC for another licence of the game. :p
 
I hated steam because I couldn't connect using my university's academic network. I also didn't like not being able to pirate games.

Now I live in my own house, making enough money to support my hobby, I love steam because I can't find any of my discs. I've bought games on Steam that I already own (and in a couple of instances already owned on Origin) as I appreciate quickly being able to set up a relaxing gaming session just by looking through my library.
 
I hate steam. Steam wants control. Steam wants control because control is another way to boost profits. Look up rootkit drm. I don't trust them and I am right not to trust them. Steam is also hurting small business. Steam is another faceless entity that has no interest in anything but its own growth and perpetuation. If you can't see it now I hope you come to see it in the future. Steam wants to be where I don't want them. On my hard drive. I am going to hold my nose and buy EU4 next week from steam only because I have to in order to play MP with you guys. I wish steam nothing but the worst and a pox be on their house and all their offspring. For seven generations. A curse on steam.
Please study this issue for yourselves. I assert that steam is just another entity after oligarchic domination. Steam is bad for what capitalism used to be.
 
I hate steam. Steam wants control. Steam wants control because control is another way to boost profits. Look up rootkit drm. I don't trust them and I am right not to trust them. Steam is also hurting small business. Steam is another faceless entity that has no interest in anything but its own growth and perpetuation. If you can't see it now I hope you come to see it in the future. Steam wants to be where I don't want them. On my hard drive. I am going to hold my nose and buy EU4 next week from steam only because I have to in order to play MP with you guys. I wish steam nothing but the worst and a pox be on their house and all their offspring. For seven generations. A curse on steam.
Please study this issue for yourselves. I assert that steam is just another entity after oligarchic domination. Steam is bad for what capitalism used to be.
Steam isn't a rootkit
 
I love Steam. Their download speeds may suck during big sales, and there might be strange features to it, but it's such a nice, easy way to buy/play/mod games, i don't want to play games outside it.
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