Will Paradox ever make a game that properly focuses in on and represents China?

[Shinkuro Yukinari]

So it's literally not possible for anyone who is not Chinese to make a decent game about China? You don't think that's a bit of a stretch?

I'd argue that Chinese folk by default have an advantage due to more direct access to Chinese sources.

 

[Warial]

I'd argue that Chinese folk by default have an advantage due to more direct access to Chinese sources.

That can be said about any nation really.

 

[frolix42]

I'd argue that Chinese folk by default have an advantage due to more direct access to Chinese sources.

A country with a politicized and nationalist education system will not, by default, create an unbiased citizenry. China is notorious for it's revisionist revaunchism.

 

[Warial]

A country with a politicized and nationalist education system will not, by default, create an unbiased citizenry. China is notorious for it's revisionist revaunchism.

Only in the post-Qing context.

 

[icedt729]

Only in the post-Qing context.

Actually I've noticed elements of this even in academic contexts. For example, I recently read a book on archaeology from Neolithic China through the Warring States, and even there all maps needed to have an inset showing the Nine Dash Line, every chapter had to genuflect to Marx or Engels at some point, and terminology was clearly set by political pressures, i.e. all of the distinct Bronze Age cultures in geographical China had to be referred to as "Shang cultures" even though that terminology is nonsensical from an archaeological or historical perspective.

I mean, that's not the kind of thing that normally has anything to do with public discourse, but it shows the CCP's desire to intrude on any and every field.

 

[Austregisel]

I really want to be able to play China in a way that doesn't seem cobbled together from unique mechanics that are great in spirit but are ultimately derived from super Western-centric games. I don't mean that as a bash to paradox, a lot of super important and interesting history is from Europe but it does mean that China has always felt wrong in the way it plays, to me at least. It does seem a lot like China really often gets the short end of the stick in terms of representing how the region actually worked in the time frames of paradox games.

Maybe yes in this PDXCON 2019, I just imagine it to be a focused one in china, one in the cold war (least possible) one of fantasy or one at the end of the WRE.

 

[Austregisel]

CK2 uses French-style Feudalism and pretends it applies to the whole planet with small corrections. That's a good example.

Perfect

 

[GundamMerc]

A country with a politicized and nationalist education system will not, by default, create an unbiased citizenry. China is notorious for it's revisionist revaunchism.

Considering the US (where I live) is guilty of the same... yeah that's not an issue just their own.

 

[AndrewT]

Please stay on the strict topic of the thread title and not stray into general politics and/or nationalism. Thank you.

 

[DavidBrewster]

Yeah, even just a few hundred miles east of France, CK2's mechanics, to use an example, start making less and less sense. It took years in CK2 just to get away from feudal France style Byzantium I hope one day Paradox will make a game that focuses on somewhere other than Europe.