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additionally, there are more traits that tank ai honor than raise it, so youre significantly more likely to roll guys that love to murder than any other kind of guy

Murder, honor, such arbitrary words...can't we just agree that sometimes the bad guy is actually the good guy? I mean murdering your local Catholic priest might seem haneous at first...until you look a little deeper at what's been going on behind closed doors......or how about the local physician who's been using an automated chat-bot mechanical rubber stamper to deny services at an astonishing 90% denial rate...just saying.

Sometimes you gotta hold them people in power or authority accountable to their crimes when the royal court won't...and sometimes a guy just gotta go *wipes hands*...you say murder and dishonor...ha!...the peasants say justice and hero!

If you can't be a king, at least you can be treated like one in jail, no? If they can find you in the king's woods that it. =>

PS - satire! satire! satire! Pls don't ban me lol.
 
Just wondering what other people's lived experience is. Who stabs the most backs over all, or what combination yields the most psychopaths for you?

At least one of deceitful, vengeful, or sadist seem to be ubiquitous among the majority of the folks who murder or attempt to murder my character or courtiers.

I had a wandering knight join a tournament earlier - giant, prowess to die from if not die for, a martial stat in the high teens and acceptable values for the others. But he was deceitful, vengeful, and arbitrary.

Never had to use the 'abduct' scheme defensively before, but this felt like protective custody for the rest of us.
Sadistic has a serial killer event chain that will probably end up killing 3-5 of your courtiers. Vengeful is very likely to launch a murder plot against their rival/nemesis. Deceitful only launches murder plots against rivals or to improve their position in inheritance.
 
If you kill a man it's murder...kill many and you're a monster...but if you're a knight and kill 1000 levies in battle...>>.>>

A hero? Nay, you might just be a legend. Even if it was becuase you are vengeful, sadistic, and deceitful. =>