Would it be a good mod...?

[bteonnsg]

I've started making a mod which mainly about "What if Napoleon didn't sell Louisiana to the US?" and "What if the Paris Commune defeated the Third Republic?". Imo this two events can create a good alternate-history mod.

Napolean escaped to America after being defeated in Europe, succeeded in defending the New France and developed it into a great power on the continent after defeating Britain and Mexico, and after the Spanish-American War it gained most of the former Spanish colonies with the US.

In Europe, the French set up the Commune of Revolutionary France. Though being intervened by Britain and Germany and setting up the puppet states of Britanny and Burgandy in 1880, having the new ally Iberia in the year of 1898 as a result of a revolution after the Spanish defeat in the Spanish-American War. Italy, which I think it would be an interesting part of Europe, has the Kingdom broken up after the victory in the Austro-Prussian War as the socialist couped the nation when the war was near to its end. Lombardy, Tuscany and the Two Sicilies all declared their independence soon. After the socialists defeated Tuscany, and forced the Two Sicilies to retreat to the island, they formed the People's Republic of Italy.

I'm going to explain what would happen after these things happened and providing more details, but in my timezone it is time to *sleep*

The three aliances:
Comintern-France,Iberia,Socialist Italy
Central Powers-Germany,Britain,Russia,Austria,Lombardy,Sicily,etc
The Imperialists-Japan,Bulgaria,Lithuania,Kurdish Republic

 

[unmerged(82704)]

I just came up with an idea althought it probably isn't what you wanted.
A mod of European city-states would be awesome.

Like in the wake of a Paris Commune victory (there were some other places that revolted to) tons of cities and farm areas revolt.
Forming city states run all from Communist communes to Peasant republics to Spartan autocracies.

 

[Bread8756]

sounds good to me!

 

[razorbird789]

what happened to the ottomans? i noticed you have the kurdish on there..... plus isn't the central powers abit over powered, britain,germany,austria AND Russia.... so you have the most the largest and most powerful navy, largest army and one of the most elite armies in the same alliance.... surely you'll make russia have a communist civil war (even if its like kaiserraich)

 

[bteonnsg]

what happened to the ottomans? i noticed you have the kurdish on there..... plus isn't the central powers abit over powered, britain,germany,austria AND Russia.... so you have the most the largest and most powerful navy, largest army and one of the most elite armies in the same alliance.... surely you'll make russia have a communist civil war (even if its like kaiserraich)

They won't be too overpowered, since there would be an ic penalty just like France and Britain in the original game, and i think i will make russia neutral until the French defeats Germany. In the original game, France and Britain controls India, Australia, Canada and almost whole Africa. In 1929, the stock market of Napoleonic France crashed and affected almost all the world except Italy, France, Iberia and Arabia which are under communist rule.

The Ottomans are overthrown in another socialist revolution(or maybe a coup) in 1911, which led to the Balkan states occupying the Ottoman Europe. After about 10 years, the Socialist Turkey launched an assault to Greece, but soon failed after the Central Powers attacked the Turkish Arabia via Egypt. The People's Republic of Italy then grabbed Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia from the Turkish. After the British landed on Constantinople in 1923, the Republic of New Rome is established, with the Kurds declaring their independence, and the former government of the socialist Turkey exiled to Arabia.

Lithuania is the product of the Russian Revolution in 1905. In the year Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, Latvia and Ukraine revolt and declared their independence. Later the five states unified and formed the Lithuanian Republic. However in 1916-1921, 4 wars broke out between Lithuania and Russia. After the wars Lithuania lost Northern Latvia, Estonia, Eastern Belarus, Eastern Ukraine and Crimea(Just like the border between Poland and USSR in 1936 scenario with Southern Latvia and Lithuania,and without West Prussia). The Free City of Riga is also established as part of the treaty. As stated by the treaty Russia and Lithuania guaranteed independence of Riga and later most of the great powers in the world guaranteed its independence.

The Ming Dynasty succeeded in defending the invasion of Manchu, and colonized Malacca and a little of India in 15th-16th century. Though most of the colonies are ceded to the European Powers, the Empire is westernized in mid-19th century. In 1881 Ming, allied with Germany, occupied the French Indochina. Manchu was annexed by Russia and Britain in 1840s after Britain defeated Korea in the Opium War. In 1911, the 1911 Revolution broke out and the Ming government exiled to India. After defeating the exile government in India in 1917 the Kuomingtang government focused at developing the infrastructure and adopt an isolationlist policy.

Should I post a timeline for the whole thing?

 

[Lord Finnish]

What happened to Finland? Please don't say Finland is a Communist nation, because it's a Communist nation in pretty much 9/10 of alt-hist mods.. Which I find half insulting and half absurd.

 

[it068]

What happened to Finland? Please don't say Finland is a Communist nation, because it's a Communist nation in pretty much 9/10 of alt-hist mods.. Which I find half insulting and half absurd.

There must have been some Finnish communists, particularly during the 1920's because there was a Finnish Civil War.

 

[whatguts]

i think then colonies in Africa and Asia would change up a lot, African holdings could be put under commune rule, Japan sags behind like the rest because Matthew Perry never went, a chance for civil war in Japan maybe? between the reactionaries and modernizers,
the commune sponsors communist uprising especially hard in Italy, and Rhine, a chance for rebellion maybe? just ideas

 

[bteonnsg]

What happened to Finland? Please don't say Finland is a Communist nation, because it's a Communist nation in pretty much 9/10 of alt-hist mods.. Which I find half insulting and half absurd.

of course not. the finnish revolted with the lithuanian and polish in 19th century and formed the republic.

i think then colonies in Africa and Asia would change up a lot, African holdings could be put under commune rule, Japan sags behind like the rest because Matthew Perry never went, a chance for civil war in Japan maybe? between the reactionaries and modernizers,
the commune sponsors communist uprising especially hard in Italy, and Rhine, a chance for rebellion maybe? just ideas

As you said, Japan would start westernize much later as Perry didn't go there. After a brief civil war in 1936 which involved the reactionists, the Emperor started preparing a war with other countries in order to distract the angry citizens. The British Korea is selected to test whether the westernized Japanese Imperial Army is strong enough or not. Then they will have a war with China in 1 or 2 years later, but starting from Korea but not Manchuria

On the other hand most of the French Africa in the original game is controlled by the US, who was lured to buy it from Napoleon I am not sure would it be an independent state or not, but if it is I think it would be too harsh for the US.

 

[bteonnsg]

Also I am planning to change the ministers system with some "focuses", because it is hard to create ministers of countries that didn't exist in the world. Also I think that most of the people would prefer to use one or two of the ministers since their ability seems better than the others(Who would use a minister which causes you to have less IC and resources production without some advantage? ) imo they would sound like the national ideas in AoD - this is just my imagination since I don't own AoD.

 

[whatguts]

awesome, sweet, words can't express how wonderful this mod will be when it comes out

 

[bteonnsg]

I've been relocating the victory points today. However when I was editing a minor problem happened, when I scroll up and down to see the list of Asian countries quickly the game crashed. idk is there any problem about one of those countries, but it can be easily prevented by not scrolling too fast

 

[bteonnsg]

The map is done (except some of those tiny annoying islands in the Pacific), and I think it's better to finish the ministers first :/

i may put events to be the last thing

 

[unmerged(407312)]

Keep in mind if France hadn't sold Louisiana to the US, we would have filibustered and taken it like we did Florida, Texas, Oregon and most of the west. Napoleon was smart enough to know this and realize he couldn't stop it.

 

[Lord Finnish]

There must have been some Finnish communists, particularly during the 1920's because there was a Finnish Civil War.

Yes, I know that because I am Finnish, but there were no Communists in Finland in 20's. All Communists were either shot, jailed, or ran off to Russia. There were of course socialists and social democrats but that's another thing and they were good patriots like like everyone else.

 

[bteonnsg]

Keep in mind if France hadn't sold Louisiana to the US, we would have filibustered and taken it like we did Florida, Texas, Oregon and most of the west. Napoleon was smart enough to know this and realize he couldn't stop it.

I think France isn't Spain,and the US in 1800s isn't the US after WWII, also the French did support the American in the independence war

I've made some event chains now, but I would like to have someone help me a bit as my English isn't very good.

 

[unmerged(407312)]

I think France isn't Spain,and the US in 1800s isn't the US after WWII, also the French did support the American in the independence war

I've made some event chains now, but I would like to have someone help me a bit as my English isn't very good.

No, it's not. France was the leading world power at the time. But that still doesn't change the fact that Louisiana is an ocean away, very inaccessible by sea, save New Orleans, and France is at war with the rest of Europe.

There's no way Napoleon could afford to send 10,000 men over seas to defend Louisiana while fighting the Coalition powers. To say nothing of being able to project naval power across the Atlantic with the British fleet ruling the high seas and keep those men supplied. Couple this with the fact that the US was one of the few neutral/friendly powers that would trade with France, and you can see why Napoleon made the right choice in cutting his losses there. It even got him a de jure ally later on when the US declared against Britain in 1812.

As far as any lingering loyalty to France, the people in the US were shocked and appalled when Louis XVI was murdered. Oh and Spain was allied to the US in the Revolutionary War too. Didn't take too long for them to turn on Spain when they held some land the US wanted.

The only thing I could see that would crush/contain Manifest destiny resulting in a weaker US(which I'm assuming is what you are going for, for gameplay balance) is a decisive US defeat in the War of 1812. Britain's war aims were to contain American expansion once the US attacked Canada, set us an Indian nation of some sort in the Midwest, and declare the Louisiana purchase under duress and return it to France and prop up Spain's colonies in the new world. France and Spain's colonial interested being "protected" by British garrisons of course.

Which if you want your alternate history scenario to go that route, there are a lot of things to take into account. One, this doesn't give the slavery issue the safety valve of expanding so the issue's going to reach a boiling point much, much sooner than it did in reality. Possibly by the 1840's. Second, this is going to inevitably set the cards up for a Third Anglo-American war... I can see a very British resentful generation following after a US defeat in the War of 1812. This could very well be played upon with the slavery issue either way. The north and south putting aside differences because they hate the British more, or the British propping up a southern nation in effort to further weaken the US.

Should be a fun mod if you set it up to it's full potential, and we haven't even scratched the issue of a triumphant Paris Commune, assuming of course it'll still happen having altered the world so much prior to the event.