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The idea of a close blockade goes back to Napoleonic times and was intended to keep the French fleet from getting to sea (and improving their seamanship) in addition to hindering his maritime commerce. The main French naval ports were heavily reliant on coastal traffic for supplies, naval stores, ironwork and so forth - one handy reference is that it cost less to ship goods across the Atlantic than to move them 30 miles overland. Napoleonic France was perhaps less dependent on overseas commerce than Wilhelmite Germany, but the combination of the Berlin Decrees and British blockades of ports definitely did hurt. It also prevented French fleets from getting to sea without, within hours, being forced to fight a major fleet action at a considerable disadvantage. Accounts of the period routinely note that French and Spanish warships newly at sea usually suffered damage to masts, sails and rigging in even light weather. Interestingly, during the Napoleonic Wars we see the British moving to a more distant blockade, keeping a few scout ships on watch and the bulk of the fleet over the horizon in order to temp the French into coming out. Nelson did this before Toulon and Cadiz in 1805 and 06, though the Channel Fleet remained close-in, so it was not a new idea in 1914.

By the start of WW1 the British had already decided on a distant blockade, probably because of fleet exercises and definitely before 1904, when the decision was made to base the fleet at Scapa Flow instead of Portsmouth. Somehow that came as a nasty shock to the Germans, who were rather counting on a close blockade. The Germans intended to let British ships wear themselves out on constant patrol while sniping with mines, submarines and small-unit actions before bringing on a major fleet action at more equal odds. The Royal Navy, however, calculated that they could cut off German commerce at the top and bottom of the North Sea without caring overmuch about whether the High Seas Fleet came out or not... in fact, permitting such a sortie improved the chances of a major fleet action, and in British eyes the chances of a major German defeat. The result of a major fleet action would not be as one-sided as the British thought, but keeping the blockade distant, however annoying to neutrals, proved the right strategic choice. For the German part, a distant blockade did permit some coastal trade, especially in the Baltic Sea, and railroads were able to adequately manage their internal transport needs. It was only their lack of a good land connection to a friendly or neutral power that made the blockade effective (Switzerland and the Netherlands notwithstanding as shipments to and through those nations were closely monitored by the Allies).

Just goes to show that you should never depend on your enemy doing what you need them to do.
It seems to me the German planners were actually on to something - until the USA joined the war, the distant blockade seems to have been a relatively poor weapon. Which would show that Germany didn't depend on the British doing what they needed them to do, it just would help a lot.
 
It seems to me the German planners were actually on to something - until the USA joined the war, the distant blockade seems to have been a relatively poor weapon. Which would show that Germany didn't depend on the British doing what they needed them to do, it just would help a lot.

?? The distant blockade was working fine. It was coincidence that the effects of the blockade began to hit hard around the time that the US entered the war. The most severe effects of the blockade were after the armistice, but before the final peace treaty. The blockade was kept up to 'encourage' the Germans to get the peace talks over with.
 
?? The distant blockade was working fine. It was coincidence that the effects of the blockade began to hit hard around the time that the US entered the war. The most severe effects of the blockade were after the armistice, but before the final peace treaty. The blockade was kept up to 'encourage' the Germans to get the peace talks over with.
The last part seems rather irrelevant to the former; all the histories I have read recently (most of them amateur, sure) emphasise that before the USA joined, the blockade leaked.

After the USA joined, it got much tighter; Britain felt more confident in annoying neutral shipping by expanding the lists of contraband (going from 1 to 30+ Dutch grain ships held up at British ports), and US shipping stopped being neutral and hence stopped shipping to countries that might supply Germany with it.
 
The last part seems rather irrelevant to the former; all the histories I have read recently (most of them amateur, sure) emphasise that before the USA joined, the blockade leaked.

After the USA joined, it got much tighter; Britain felt more confident in annoying neutral shipping by expanding the lists of contraband (going from 1 to 30+ Dutch grain ships held up at British ports), and US shipping stopped being neutral and hence stopped shipping to countries that might supply Germany with it.

True enough - the US felt, that as a neutral it had the right to trade with both sides, and worked strenuously through diplomatic channels to ensure this was the case, because it was profiting greatly from trade with all the belligerent nations. Once it joined the war on the side of the allies, that no longer applied. I was thinking more in the stricter sense that the UK was able to maintain and operate the blockade. In that sense, the UK had all the assets needed to maintain the blockade. What it had issues with were the diplomatic issues of neutral trade which were greatly simplified when the US joined the war.
 
True enough - the US felt, that as a neutral it had the right to trade with both sides, and worked strenuously through diplomatic channels to ensure this was the case, because it was profiting greatly from trade with all the belligerent nations. Once it joined the war on the side of the allies, that no longer applied. I was thinking more in the stricter sense that the UK was able to maintain and operate the blockade. In that sense, the UK had all the assets needed to maintain the blockade. What it had issues with were the diplomatic issues of neutral trade which were greatly simplified when the US joined the war.
Oh, I don't dispute that Britain had the assets to enforce a distant blockade.

I dispute that the Germans were idiots for relying on a close blockade, because they didn't rely on it. They could and did survive a distant blockade for a good long time. They couldn't win against a distant blockade, sure, but the German navy didn't need to win. It'd be great for Germany if they did, but it was so hilariously unlikely that no serious German planning seems to have relied on winning (even the most ambitious plans seem to have aimed at the Royal Navy not-winning through minor German victories).
 
@Easy-Kill - I think the point you should remember is that merchant ship losses were already high and the British economy was suffering.

Firstly, apologies for the slow reply I have taken on a few too many jobs recently :)

I am not sure why you believe that the British economy was 'suffering'. In the first instance, British imports had increased year on year during the war [1]:
Code:
Imports (£m)
1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918
-696 -852 -949 -1,064 -1,316

While the British economy grew substantially over the course of the war (matching the growth of the USA), and was the only great power at war whose economy grew [2].

Code:
UK USA Germany Austria Russia France
1913 100 100 100 100 100 100
1914 92.3 101.0 85.2 83.5 94.5 92.9
1915 94.9 109.1 80.9 77.4 95.5 91.0
1916 108.0 111.5 81.7 76.5 79.8 95.6
1917 105.3 112.5 81.8 74.8 67.7 81.0
1918 114.8 113.2 81.8 73.3 … 63.9

Germany's economy was shrinking while the British economy was growing and that was not even including India.

What Britain was doing, was spending vast sums of money. However, the UK never spent as much as any of the other great powers on its war. In 1939, 59% of German government spending was devoted to the war, while Britain was spending the lowest of the great power belligerents with only 37.1 % [2]. British Government debt was high, but again, this must be viewed in relation to the other great-power belligerents - see below from [3]
Code:
Year U.K. France Germany
1914 61.3 54.8 73.5
1915 79.8 79.4 94.4
1916 75.0 86.6 92.7
1917 76.1 86.1 90.8
1918 69.2 80.0 93.8

What we see is that if the UK economy was struggling, the rest the major belligerents were on the verge of collapse ... yet they weren't and the war continued. The UK was in a far more prosperous and stable position, where the war was greatly benefiting its economy - that is, far from struggling it was growing at a rate that would be considered fantastic by modern standards.

It is also important to note that most of the German escorts were still coal fired and had no opportunity to 'replenish at sea', meaning their operational range barely extended out of the North Sea. If the High Seas does attempt to sally into the Atlantic, it does so without an effective escort and instead as over-priced surface raiders. Given that the largest trading ports in the UK in this period were in Mersyside and the Solent, it is difficult to understand how the German High Seas fleet is going to have such a war winning affect on the British Economy.

But Jutland shows that the British battlecruisers, at least, were vulnerable and could be sunk with little effort.
There have been many theories as to why the British battle cruisers were destroyed while few of the German ships were. The most likely of which is a combination of the British ships being silhouetted against the mist, being in unfavorable position due to weather (and the need to 'catch' the enemy who was withdrawing) and the well known practice of not closing magazine doors to speed gunnery fire. I would hardly be so quick to flippantly dismiss the fighting potency of any ship, and I suspect the German admiralty to not be so dismissive either. After all Scheer made a not one, but two 'battle about turn' manouvre - indicating the skill of both from Admiral to deck hand on sides in the battle.

The single greatest concern for the Admiralty was German interference with shipping to the BEF. The idea that a battlecruiser squadron (or even light cruisers) could raid that shipping had given the Royal Navy ulcers in 1914 and would again in the wake of a defeat. British public opinion after a defeat at Jutland would have been both outraged and panicked. They had in the past literally court-martialed, ostracized or hung admirals for less (Byng, famously, but also Milne of recent memory). In this environment, the admiral in charge of the Grand Fleet - likely not Jellicoe or Beatty anymore - would have been under enormous pressure to secure a decisive victory and to do it with much reduced means. A daring stroke or two - more German battlecruiser raids on coastal towns, or into the Thames estuary or the Channel, raids which a British fleet without battlecruisers could not intercept or stop - and the Admiralty and public would be in full panic. An invasion does not have to be credible to us with the benefit of hindsight (think about how long it would take to assemble troops) for the threat of it to move a nation to panic. Look at the public reaction after the shelling of the coastal towns and the outrage after Jutland - and imagine it after a thorough British defeat at sea.
Yet, the loss of the British Grand Fleet would not have a profound effect on shipping across the English Channel - Battleships of the era tended to have huge turning circles (800-900m), which tend not to lend themselves very well to large naval flotillas trying to maneuver. Indeed, one of the biggest threats to Battleships was the Torpedo screens launched by destroyers - the very thing which caused Jellicoe to break off his pursuit after Jutland. If the High Seas fleet sails into the Channel, it will very quickly end badly (remember, the entrance to the channel is just 19 miles across). This would very much be a cruiser-destroyer action and Britain had substantially more (using 1914 numbers):
Armored Cruisers: 34vs8
Protected Cruisers 52vs17
Scout Cruisers 15v0
Light Cruisers 20v16
Destroyers 221v90

Even defeating the Grand Fleet at Jutland so badly that it never leaves Scapa again, Germany still has to solve the issue of Cruiser/Destroyer disparity to have an effect on British Shipping of troops and war material to France (it may have limited volume by shipping only at night perhaps). Remember, for this exact reason, no British Battleships were assigned to the Channel or Dover flotillas.

British capital ship construction had virtually ceased, other than completing vessels already laid down. After a Jutland defeat, capital ship construction would be kicked into high gear and Army projects like artillery, tanks and machine guns would all be have to be shorted or halted. That means an end to any significant BEF operations for a year or more.
During the War, Britain completed 13 Battleships and 1 Battlecruiser (if I am not mistaken). By Contrast, at the outbreak of war, Germany had 15 battleships. That is, Britain could trade 1 for 1 with battleships and still maintain its pre-war advantage (well Germany was making 5 herself). I don't have the exact figures, but the allocation of steel for munitions and factory construction (i.e. this was part of what caused the 15% growth in GDP) absolutely drwarfed Battleship construction.

I personally believe you are selling a pessimistic picture without fully accounting for the fact that the Royal Navy could absorb substantial losses, the British Economy was better able to absorb the effects of any counter blockade, and Germany could never impose a blockade of such completeness that the Royal Navy imposed on it (simple geography and economics). I don't believe that Germany victory at Jutland would have done nothing more than allow the High Seas Fleet to attain local control over the North Sea. The North Sea only allowed the Allies to impose a distant and rather effective blockade on Germany. The Cruisers and Destroyers were the backbone of the fleet that allowed the Royal Navy to enact that blockade and when the German Navy starts to use battleships to escort convoys (without effective destroyer escorts) they will simply become targets for the Royal Navy's submarines.

[1] THE UNITED KINGDOM DURING WORLD WAR I: BUSINESS AS USUAL? Stephen Broadberry
[2] THE ECONOMICS OF WORLD WAR I: A COMPARATIVE QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS Stephen Broadberry, Mark Harrison.
[3] War Finance (Germany), Stephen Gross.
 
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Sure the British blockade was that leaky? Building cargo subs to evade it seems like quite an effort to evade it.
I actually questioned the exact same thing. It is actually very difficult to find exact values for import/export by sea from 1913-1919. I have found a couple of sources which could be of interest:

The British Blockade During World War I: The Weapon of Deprivation D. Janicki

The Social and Political Consequences of the Allied Food Blockade of Germany, 1918-19 by N Howard

Germany's Economy at War, 1914–1918 by Ritschl.

They all indicate the dire situation of the German economy and in particular food and the effect that food had on production. What would appear is that the monetary value of imports shrank to 30-40% of its pre war state. This is probably a case of costal/Baltic trade and land trade.
 
@Avernite - let me try to clarify. Strategically I don't think the Kaiser, his government or most of the senior naval officers had any clear idea of what to do with the fleet if war broke out with England. Operationally they hoped the British would come in close to the coast and expose themselves to attritional warfare near German naval bases. This did not happen. The fact that the Jutland operation did not occur until 1916 is a result of the Kaiser's fear of any risk and the General Staff's overlooking (or being ignorant of) how to use the Navy.

So strategically I believe that all of the major powers believed the war would be quickly over and a blockade would be inconsequential, while the Germans thought operationally the British would be driven to attempt a 'Trafalgar' in German waters where they could be whittled down by subs and mines before capital ships were committed. This was a triumph of optimism over rationality and a singular lack of perception as to what the British might think about the problem.


@Easy-Kill - it is good to examine one's assumptions. Let me do some checking on the effects of the war on the British economy and I'll get back to you.

On the question of coal and replenishment, I will point out that Graf von Spee sailed across the Pacific and was headed for home when intercepted... and the idea for deploying battlecruisers in the Atlantic came from Hipper, not me. I wouldn't try it myself, but at least one German admiral thought they could.

I think I did say that the principal effect of a German victory at sea would be panic, which would fade as the Royal Navy recovered itself but which would still markedly affect the army in the field. If the Grand Fleet has just lost, say, six or seven battlecruisers and four dreadnoughts or more, convoys across the Channel are likely to be suspended. If the German fleet occupies itself with following up its victory with, say, battlecruiser-level raids into the Channel then those convoys have to be heavily protected, probably by capital ships. Now, that's an opinion but I don't think it is unreasonable... I do not think the German Navy had the resolve to commit to raids in the north end of the Channel, but it was not impossible, and nothing would affect army operations on the western front like raids on their supply line.

Scheer's 'battle turn away' manuevers were the result of running head-on into the entire Grand Fleet battle-line and had nothing to do with British battlecruisers. I don't dismiss the British battlecruisers flippantly: I said what I meant. Those ships were weak for their size and cost - as was known before Dogger Bank, known before Jutland and as the Admiralty tried to correct their flaws after. The risk was known by Jellicoe, who cautioned Beatty to improve his gunnery, correct his procedures and avoid exposure. A battle report from the Falklands action shows that a German cruiser shell nearly blew an 'Invincible' up... Their poor performance at Dogger Bank showed their qualities: fast, lightly armored, with poor gunnery and prone to be crippled by just a few hits. Jutland only showed the same faults in more spectacular fashion. I could get into a discussion on why British battlecruisers were built and performed as they were and did, but this isn't the place. I will point out that every British capital ship designed after Jutland was heavily armored (see G3 and N3 and others), and that every battlecruiser surviving WW1 was quickly scrapped or went through massive rebuilding to provide, not more speed or heavier guns, but greater structural strength and armor.

As I said above: if the Germans had been able to catch a detachment of the Grand Fleet, likely the battlecruisers and a battle squadron or two, with the entire High Seas Fleet, they could have crushed it. I'll go further and say that if the entire British Grand Fleet had caught the German battlecruisers and a battle squadron alone, that would have been obliterated too.

I did not say that Britain didn't build capital ships during the war, I said they mostly just completed ships that were under construction and I believe that to be true. As to their relative strengths: given the number of ships that had to be 'down' for repairs and routine maintenance, British admirals believed they had a barely acceptable margin of superiority over the High Seas Fleet, which could choose to sortie only when it was at full strength. Armored cruisers, after the Falklands and the sinkings in the Broad Fourteens, were obsolete and less useful than pre-dreadnoughts. I do agree that a lack of fast, powerful light cruisers and destroyers was a significant lack on the German side, but a lot of light British ships were overseas on trade protection or dispersed to hunt submarines.

When you say that production allocations were for army related materials and munitions, I believe you. Add in the allocations for merchant shipping and you begin to see what would be lost if a large part of allocations were suddenly switched to naval construction - as would surely have happened in the aftermath of the loss of a dozen capital ships or so. Just in one area - the transfer of heavy artillery manufacture from army weapons to the navy - the effects would be significant and long-lasting.
 
On the question of coal and replenishment, I will point out that Graf von Spee sailed across the Pacific and was headed for home when intercepted...
Yes, however after sailing across the pacific elements of Spee's fleet took on coal in Chile. In Spee's own words:

Spee said:
You must not forget that I am quite homeless. I cannot reach Germany. We possess no other secure harbor. I must fight my way through the seas of the world doing as much mischief as can, until my ammunition is exhausted, or a foe far superior in power succeeds in catching me.
Spee realised that he wouldn't make it to Germany and that Coal was his main problem (even though his fleet had Colliers attached.

I think I did say that the principal effect of a German victory at sea would be panic, which would fade as the Royal Navy recovered itself but which would still markedly affect the army in the field. If the Grand Fleet has just lost, say, six or seven battlecruisers and four dreadnoughts or more, convoys across the Channel are likely to be suspended.
Without sounding rude, that is simply a supposition based with no historical example to back it up. Battleships had no impact on anything in the English Channel. Shipping in the English channel was more at threat from torpedo boats and submarines. I think that you are too quick to make an assumption that the Royal Navy would 'panick' and then dictate the whole world wide strategic situation, and you offer no facts, nor historical basis for such a reverse.

Edit - apologies, reviewing this did come across a little direct. I think the challenge for me is that I cannot see how you come to the conclusion that the Royal Navy would panick and suddenly dictate strategic running of a land based war. The only possible examples I can think of are either Jutland ( wherr the British fleet was ready to have-at some with the Bosch almost immediately ... Albeit with fewer losses), or the Falklands war where a substantial part of the fleet was sunk or disabled. If you have an example for this, that would be great.


Scheer's 'battle turn away' manuevers were the result of running head-on into the entire Grand Fleet battle-line and had nothing to do with British battlecruisers. I don't dismiss the British battlecruisers flippantly: I said what I meant.
Appreciating that I wasn't very clear - I meant that Schemer wasn't so flippantly dismissive about British line ships in general - your opinion seems to diverge from that which has been proposed by professionals in the subject.

Not all Battlecruisers were created equal - they were designed (by the British) to be hunters of smaller lighter ships, having enough speed and armament to catch and destroy smaller ships, but fast enough to get away from battleships. The main problem (as outlined by Massie in Castles of Steel) is that they were instead used to supplement the battleship fleets. Specifically, Germany built her Battlecruisers to do exactly this - supplement their weaker battle fleet causing the Royal Navy to do the same. It is probably more correct to say that the British battle cruisers were weakly employed - they were hunters and not designed to charge down at full steam (as Beatty did at Jutland) a fleet of substantial firepower. Yet they were employed in this role and as you point out, they were not ideal. They were however very good at bullying light/armoured cruisers. This was a highly intense period for the development of naval warfare.

I don't think that we will agree on your other points (but that's what makes this discussion interesting right?) - both of our opinions on this are highly subjective and any historic divergences were likely to be subject to a whole raft of effects cascading from the sinking of a substantial portion of the British fleet. I personally feel that there was sufficient flex in the British military and economy to absorb such a loss, and more substantial losses were certainly felt in both world wars.

Edit - it appears that Spee isn't an appreciated word by my phone!
 
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Battleships had no impact on anything in the English Channel.
You made me wonder, even if the German navy had dominated the seas, would it have managed to interdict cross-channel transport? I am thinking about shore batteries. I understand that still in WWI, these gave a quite poor account of sinkning even merchant ships. However, if we have allied batteries on BOTH sides of the channel, wouldn't that seriously put at risk any German ships going through?
 
You made me wonder, even if the German navy had dominated the seas, would it have managed to interdict cross-channel transport? I am thinking about shore batteries. I understand that still in WWI, these gave a quite poor account of sinkning even merchant ships. However, if we have allied batteries on BOTH sides of the channel, wouldn't that seriously put at risk any German ships going through?

Shore batteries, mines, torpedo boats ...

The only historical examples I can recall of a battle in the English channel were the Spanish Armada (where the invasion was disrupted) and the Channel Dash (where the ships managed to 'dash' through but emerged in a state not fit for fighting. Neither provides a sufficient comparison but do highlight the unease with any naval commander wanted to 'play' in the English Channel.
 
You made me wonder, even if the German navy had dominated the seas, would it have managed to interdict cross-channel transport? I am thinking about shore batteries. I understand that still in WWI, these gave a quite poor account of sinkning even merchant ships. However, if we have allied batteries on BOTH sides of the channel, wouldn't that seriously put at risk any German ships going through?

I think that the Germans could forget about getting their own merchant shipping through the channel, but putting smaller, maneuverable warships in there (destroyers, light cruisers, fast armored cruisers) should be relatively safe. in WW1 shore batteries would be relying on visual sighting of ships and fall of shot to aim, and that's a pretty difficult thing to do against fast maneuverable warships. Plus, visual conditions in the channel often suck due to fog, low clouds, rain, etc., making days and times when the shore batteries were dangerous less than common.

Interdict is too strong a word - that implies that nothing gets across. They could however, choke the rate of material coming through back tremendously, and wind up sinking an amount that would rather quickly get unpleasant for the allies.
 
Shore batteries, mines, torpedo boats ...

The only historical examples I can recall of a battle in the English channel were the Spanish Armada (where the invasion was disrupted) and the Channel Dash (where the ships managed to 'dash' through but emerged in a state not fit for fighting. Neither provides a sufficient comparison but do highlight the unease with any naval commander wanted to 'play' in the English Channel.
I think what the big German ships should do about the channel is back up the small ships. So you lay the battleships/dreadnoughts off the coast of Flanders (or somesuch), deploy the destroyers into the channel, and when the British destroyers come out to fight the German destroyers, you fire heavy shells from the battleships to scare them and the convoys they are protecting off (or, if very lucky, hit and destroy them).

Of course this is still difficult because the number of destroyers starts out so lopsided, and because it demotes the battleships to 'escorts' (and so sacrificing a battleship to save enough destroyers should be on the table, which few admirals will like) but 10 destroyers with battleship support against 10 destroyers without such should be in the favour of the supported ships.
 
Shore batteries, mines, torpedo boats ...

The only historical examples I can recall of a battle in the English channel were the Spanish Armada (where the invasion was disrupted) and the Channel Dash (where the ships managed to 'dash' through but emerged in a state not fit for fighting. Neither provides a sufficient comparison but do highlight the unease with any naval commander wanted to 'play' in the English Channel.

What about Beachy Head (1690) decisive French victory in the Channel?
 
What about Beachy Head (1690) decisive French victory in the Channel?
Probably a good example but I'm not convinced of its relevance to 20,000 tonne battleships 220 years later. That being said, the only relevance of the Spanish Armada was the use of fireships to disrupt the formations.
 
Probably a good example but I'm not convinced of its relevance to 20,000 tonne battleships 220 years later. That being said, the only relevance of the Spanish Armada was the use of fireships to disrupt the formations.

The real issue is that it's from the age of sail. Possible maneuvers, strategies and tactics changed radically once the wind was no longer dictating the possible battle scenarios
 
Probably a good example but I'm not convinced of its relevance to 20,000 tonne battleships 220 years later. That being said, the only relevance of the Spanish Armada was the use of fireships to disrupt the formations.

sure it will be the reverse situation and just as the RN did not venture to the German coasts... there is only one reason for a superior HSF to do it: it can really influence the war
 
@gagenater - fully agree, with the added observation that speed of movement went in battle went from 5-6 knots (more like 3 at Trafalgar) to 18-20 at Jutland. Given that communications were still mostly by flag and lamp, the speed at which ships could move into danger far exceeded the speed with which they could be maneuvered out. Both the Grand and High Seas Fleets handled something like convoys of semi trailer-trucks on ice at 50 miles per hour, with the added excitements of thick fog (smoke).

Actually, that sounds like a great little flash game if you add in ATVs for destroyers and something to represent torpedoes...