Yeah, I think at the moment the best thing to do is to lynch Joeb.
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What's so sensible about it?
We're on day 2. That means that one goodie is dead, AND THE SORC IS DEAD!
My claims all along were that EURO was the sorc, and that he tried to get me in a bluff... I don't see how or why that claim falls apart, considering we're still here it seems very likely.
I'm going to vote ENKHUUSH because his silence throughout has been perfect hiding for our potential wolf.
I implore our simple villager to join me and prevent such an easy village for the baddies after EURO was stopped.
We're on day 2. That means that one goodie is dead, AND THE SORC IS DEAD!
My claims all along were that EURO was the sorc, and that he tried to get me in a bluff... I don't see how or why that claim falls apart, considering we're still here it seems very likely.
I'm going to vote ENKHUUSH because his silence throughout has been perfect hiding for our potential wolf.
I implore our simple villager to join me and prevent such an easy village for the baddies after EURO was stopped.
If you want to read the perfect Micro game, here it is.
The roster was AOK, Jonti, Jacob, Marty and Euro with Private Messages.
The roster was AOK, Jonti, Jacob, Marty and Euro with Private Messages.
Consider the setup:
1 wolf
1 sorc
1 seer
1 hunter
1 villager
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We have three points of view:
EURO THE SEER
1 wolf joeb
1 sorc Najs
1 seer EURO
1 villager ??? (enkhuush or Rysz)
1 hunter ??? (enkhuush or Rysz)
This relies on Najs being the sorc. It relies on EURO to have been telling the truth. It also relies on my hunting Najs.
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EURO THE SORC
1 wolf ??? (enkhuush, or Rysz)
1 sorc EURO
1 seer joeb
1 hunter (Najs, enkhuush, or Rysz)
1 villager (Najs, enkhuush, or Rysz)
We know a little bit less under this setup, because Najs could have been either one of the goodie roles.
Yes I am the seer. Of course I wasn't going to out myself as the seer when EURO was bluffing me. Consider: he gets lynched, who is the wolf going to hunt? Obviously he's going to go after the only person left who's claiming seer, and that prevents my second scan. Considering my first scan only showed that EURO wasn't a wolf, it would be stupid for me to throw my life away to fight his claim.
The question is, who could still be the wolf? The answer is,
enkhuush is the wolf.
Because I scanned him.
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EURO THE CRAZY PERSON
1 wolf ??? (joeb, enkhuush, or Rysz)
1 sorc Najs
1 seer ??? (Najs, joeb, enkhuush, or Rysz)
1 hunter ??? (Najs, EURO, joeb, enkhuush, or Rysz)
1 villager ??? (Najs, EURO, joeb, enkhuush, or Rysz)
This one is the least likely... EURO is crazy, but his actions are never without reason.
It also gives us the least information, so the point is moot.
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In all three we know that the sorc is either Najs or EURO, because that is the only way the game can still be going.
EURO's actions make complete sense as a sorc. If he doesn't get me lynched he manages to get me to claim I'm the seer. So if he doesn't get my lynched he gets me hunted. It's the perfect sorc play.
Najs... I guess it's possible he was the sorc, but his play just didn't feel like anything important...
And that is precisely why I had to avoid claiming seer yesterday. I couldn't let EURO's play work and destroy the village. Now that there is no more reason to hide it, and I actually have something to say, here we go.
SEER SCAN NIGHT 1: EURO - NEGATIVE SCAN
SEER SCAN NIGHT 2: ENKHUUSH - SCANNED AS WOLF
I don't need to say any more. Let's end this game Rysz.
1 wolf
1 sorc
1 seer
1 hunter
1 villager
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We have three points of view:
EURO THE SEER
1 wolf joeb
1 sorc Najs
1 seer EURO
1 villager ??? (enkhuush or Rysz)
1 hunter ??? (enkhuush or Rysz)
This relies on Najs being the sorc. It relies on EURO to have been telling the truth. It also relies on my hunting Najs.
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EURO THE SORC
1 wolf ??? (enkhuush, or Rysz)
1 sorc EURO
1 seer joeb
1 hunter (Najs, enkhuush, or Rysz)
1 villager (Najs, enkhuush, or Rysz)
We know a little bit less under this setup, because Najs could have been either one of the goodie roles.
Yes I am the seer. Of course I wasn't going to out myself as the seer when EURO was bluffing me. Consider: he gets lynched, who is the wolf going to hunt? Obviously he's going to go after the only person left who's claiming seer, and that prevents my second scan. Considering my first scan only showed that EURO wasn't a wolf, it would be stupid for me to throw my life away to fight his claim.
The question is, who could still be the wolf? The answer is,
enkhuush is the wolf.
Because I scanned him.
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EURO THE CRAZY PERSON
1 wolf ??? (joeb, enkhuush, or Rysz)
1 sorc Najs
1 seer ??? (Najs, joeb, enkhuush, or Rysz)
1 hunter ??? (Najs, EURO, joeb, enkhuush, or Rysz)
1 villager ??? (Najs, EURO, joeb, enkhuush, or Rysz)
This one is the least likely... EURO is crazy, but his actions are never without reason.
It also gives us the least information, so the point is moot.
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In all three we know that the sorc is either Najs or EURO, because that is the only way the game can still be going.
EURO's actions make complete sense as a sorc. If he doesn't get me lynched he manages to get me to claim I'm the seer. So if he doesn't get my lynched he gets me hunted. It's the perfect sorc play.
Najs... I guess it's possible he was the sorc, but his play just didn't feel like anything important...
And that is precisely why I had to avoid claiming seer yesterday. I couldn't let EURO's play work and destroy the village. Now that there is no more reason to hide it, and I actually have something to say, here we go.
SEER SCAN NIGHT 1: EURO - NEGATIVE SCAN
SEER SCAN NIGHT 2: ENKHUUSH - SCANNED AS WOLF
I don't need to say any more. Let's end this game Rysz.
If I recall, that game was an absolute descendence to a full-out lie-fest... Where you won, mostly because you outlied everyone, including AOK, and the other players had absolutely nothing to go on. I agree it would be incredily fun for you, but it does limit the amount of fun and win-chance of other players (except those who are lucky to be on your side). I think that only AOK had some sort of fun that game. Jonti was shocked into apathy and jacob was absolutely dumbstrucked by a complete lack of anything to go by.
That's a micro game for you... PM or not it comes down to the blind luck and what lies people are willing to believe. Always has and always will, and PMs do almost nothing to change how the game plays.
I do not completely understand the three view points and how or why they are more likely than the other (could be connected with the fact that it's three o'clock in the night, and somehow I'm still awake), but the rest of your post makes sense.
A whole lot of more sense than EURO, because I'm more and more adapting that EURO's posts are all a lot of BS, and not to be taken seriously.
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A whole lot of more sense than EURO, because I'm more and more adapting that EURO's posts are all a lot of BS, and not to be taken seriously.
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Sorry, but that is not completely true. Please read the earlier games (II-VI) and my comments after VII (Euro's game). But it requires a different mindset than those used to Big or Lite.
Except for EURO, who is quite unique. I wonder if his powers of lies and confusion are such that he would always win Micro, or that the game is set up in such a way that you have to tell the truth somehow to get the help from the other players on your side (eg: baddie euro needs to get the hunter to die, or he does loose. How can he find out who the hunter is?)
Actually jonti (and me and maybe marty?) was lied to by euro that he had the same role and jonti never bothered to tell anyone he knew euro was outright lying. Leaving euros lies better than aoks truth since jonti passively confirmed euros lies. Aok tried hard to convince me that euro was lying but after the first day and I knew that what euro claimed no one else confessed to being (jonti was it but died night 1) and that jonti never showed any suspicion of euro.
I reread it a bit just now. Jonti at one time knew his role, aok wasn't the wolf and that euro was claiming the same role as jonti but jonti never pmed anyone any of this. That made me lose a bunch of respect for jonti.
edit: oh and marty had outed himself as the sorc somehow. so jonti knew only me or euro could be the wolf and told no one! fah!
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Yes, Godforbid a baddie lie about his role to win a werewolf game. Rysz, Werewolf is a game of deception. It is not a game of truth. If you want to play that, go try truth or dare.
This is precisely why I do what I do. I know no one will believe anything I say, especially you, even when I do tell the truth. The problem is not that I lie, it's that you always assume I'm lying. That's not me at fault. Also, nice generalisation and character attack.
No, Micro is a deplorable mutation of what Werewolf is supposed to be. Werewolf is supposed to be about analysing of behaviour. Werewolf at its core is about figuring people out. Who tells the better lie, who is more eloquent, who holds more persuasive power. Micro ruins that with the utter lack of behavioural analysis due to a stupidly short time span and unnecessary limitation of the flow of information. Playing Micro is as much a game of werewolf as flipping a coin would be. That is to say not at all.
Rysz, you are making great mistake. Because I'm the hunter. If either of you lynched, then the village will win. If I'm lynched, then the village will lose.
Solution is simple. If joeb is goodie he should vote himself, thus Rysz the wolf will be left with me and the village wins. If Rysz is goodie, vote to joeb and the village wins.
If you say role your correctly, then we can deduct it from joeb is lying.
Doesn't prevent you from lying. Rysz already claimed villager in this thread, well before you claimed hunter.
wolf - enkhuush
sorc - EUROO7
seer - joebthegreat
hunter - Najs
villager - Rysz
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wolf - joebthegreat
sorc - Najs
seer - EUROO7
hunter - enkhuush
villager - Rysz
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It comes down to these questions:
Who do you think is the more likely wolf, joebthegreat or enkhuush?
Who do you think is the more likely sorc, Najs or EUROO7?
Who do you think is the more likely seer, EUROO7 joebthegreat?
Who do you think is the more likely hunter, enkhuush or Najs?
enkhuush has played exactly like a wolf would be expected to... unfortunately that is also exactly like a hunter would be expected to play as well. His hunter claim is not risky, considering that's the only goodie role that hasn't been claimed, it's the only one he can make without getting immediately called out. Of course Rysz could have been claiming villager while being the hunter. I hope that is the case because that would solve this game right there.
EUROO7 has played exactly like a sorc would be expected to... try to get his scanned seer lynched and hope the wolf makes the correct decision in the hunt. How he goes about doing this is the same way a seer might go about claiming against a real wolf, though EUROO7 seems to have done that in every game.
Najs has played more like a hunter/wolf would play. He was reasonably quiet and avoided attention, happy to let it go down to other people. I don't see his play as being that of a sorc this game.
As for me, I firmly believe that there was no reason for me to out myself as the seer yesterday, considering the only piece of information I had was that EURO was not the wolf. My claim is that it was in the best interest of the village to try and wait for that second night scan to increase the chance of victory.
Rysz, the game is in your hands. I hope you make the right call.
sorc - EUROO7
seer - joebthegreat
hunter - Najs
villager - Rysz
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wolf - joebthegreat
sorc - Najs
seer - EUROO7
hunter - enkhuush
villager - Rysz
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It comes down to these questions:
Who do you think is the more likely wolf, joebthegreat or enkhuush?
Who do you think is the more likely sorc, Najs or EUROO7?
Who do you think is the more likely seer, EUROO7 joebthegreat?
Who do you think is the more likely hunter, enkhuush or Najs?
enkhuush has played exactly like a wolf would be expected to... unfortunately that is also exactly like a hunter would be expected to play as well. His hunter claim is not risky, considering that's the only goodie role that hasn't been claimed, it's the only one he can make without getting immediately called out. Of course Rysz could have been claiming villager while being the hunter. I hope that is the case because that would solve this game right there.
EUROO7 has played exactly like a sorc would be expected to... try to get his scanned seer lynched and hope the wolf makes the correct decision in the hunt. How he goes about doing this is the same way a seer might go about claiming against a real wolf, though EUROO7 seems to have done that in every game.
Najs has played more like a hunter/wolf would play. He was reasonably quiet and avoided attention, happy to let it go down to other people. I don't see his play as being that of a sorc this game.
As for me, I firmly believe that there was no reason for me to out myself as the seer yesterday, considering the only piece of information I had was that EURO was not the wolf. My claim is that it was in the best interest of the village to try and wait for that second night scan to increase the chance of victory.
Rysz, the game is in your hands. I hope you make the right call.