Orthank said:
I posted about this :
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=190350
The Siviet Union *can* indeed be a true monster.
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I posted about this :
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=190350
The Siviet Union *can* indeed be a true monster.
I think as for germany there are few strategies germany can do if soviet union decides to build endless rows of infantry.
Germany could of course make 200 infantry divs but then you would still be hugely outnumbered and you cant have all your army on russian front anyway a lot has to protect europe.
So then you need a differant plan since you can *never* *ever* beat the soviet union with *infantry* alone.
What about tanks?, Well tanks arent really that powerful as they were in hoi1 and to make it worse soviet union can make more tanks than you while still having an advantage in infantry.
What about air?, Now heres a real advantage if it wasnt for 4 stack limit...germany can get really good air tech etc and soviet union could never hope to catch up. Although 4 stack limit means you tacs wont even begin to hurt the russian hordes.
What about tech?, Heres what really made germany elite in hoi1 the tech. In hoi2 however its not possible to tech rush the only things you can get that soviet union cant get for a long time is air and naval and the only things you can get quickly that soviet union takes time to get is industry and encryption. So encryption could give you an advantage over soviet union for a short term anyway, Still since you cant tech rush and get 44 infantry in 39 there is few options available.
What about org?, This is a clear german advantage but it doesnt help you when the enemy outnumbers you 3 to 1. Most of the time the high org just gives you bigger losses.
Germany could of course make 200 infantry divs but then you would still be hugely outnumbered and you cant have all your army on russian front anyway a lot has to protect europe.
So then you need a differant plan since you can *never* *ever* beat the soviet union with *infantry* alone.
What about tanks?, Well tanks arent really that powerful as they were in hoi1 and to make it worse soviet union can make more tanks than you while still having an advantage in infantry.
What about air?, Now heres a real advantage if it wasnt for 4 stack limit...germany can get really good air tech etc and soviet union could never hope to catch up. Although 4 stack limit means you tacs wont even begin to hurt the russian hordes.
What about tech?, Heres what really made germany elite in hoi1 the tech. In hoi2 however its not possible to tech rush the only things you can get that soviet union cant get for a long time is air and naval and the only things you can get quickly that soviet union takes time to get is industry and encryption. So encryption could give you an advantage over soviet union for a short term anyway, Still since you cant tech rush and get 44 infantry in 39 there is few options available.
What about org?, This is a clear german advantage but it doesnt help you when the enemy outnumbers you 3 to 1. Most of the time the high org just gives you bigger losses.
Colonel Warden said:
(Was Soviet Union)
It was fun while it lasted but then again what did we expect few 36s ever are successful.
Maybe 39 is the way forward it is more balanced at least.
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I totally agree that SU is too strong in the 36 campain. By mid 37' they can have their army almost fully up to date, and have 2 times the number of troops that Germany has. In this case the game almost has to be Allies/Axis vs. SU, in order to have a close game.
For what it's worth I think the UK and the USSR are overpowered in the 1939 scenario too. Anyway, the Axis just have too little resources in 1939 to put up a fight.
Vissarion said:
Under what conditions? I hear this said a lot, but I see no evidence. I ran a test with 4 basic tac and 4 basic CAS bombing 2, 4, and 6-stacks of 39 infantry and of basic medium tank divisions in clear terrain and clear weather, daylight only, and they had marginal impact on the 2-stacks, and minimal or less impact on the 4 and 6-stacks. On the 6-stacks, the lost org from interdiction ( 1 point ) was regained before the tac bombers got back for their next bombing run. With enough IC allocated for full reinforcement, the strength losses from CAS ground attack bombing were fully restored before the planes returned for their next run.
HerrGeneral said:
Interdiction should only be used in conjunction with major assults, otherwise use Ground attack.
If you want to see how truly useful airplanes can be, play the North Africa Battle Scenario.
Cmdr Friedl said:
Doesn't work for me ... No, please don't direct me to the FAQ. An Eastern Front MP example would be nice though. Attacks on big stacks ... Anyone?
Cmdr Friedl said:
Why? Is there a multiplier or bonus when interdiction is used in a "major assault"? Does interdiction do more org damage in those circumstances than it does to units sitting out in the open by themselves?
And how do you know this? Have you been able to isolate the effect of the interdiction from the combat itself? I would need to see evidence, because right now, all you have given me is another guy saying "yeah it works."
Because if interdiction has the same amount of effect during a "major assault" that it does by itself, then it is not affecting the combat enough to be worth half what you spend on it, and you would be better off adding one more panzer division than having a four-stack of tac bombers on interdiction.
Show me the evidence.
Colonel Warden (Andrew), sorry for jumping all over you the other night.
You were in a pretty hopeless situation and looking back now I understand why you quit.
You were right about the USSR, he did have every intention of declaring war on you the second you divided up Poland. Not to mention, France and the UK were in a very strong defensive position and had the forces available to launch an offensive into Germany and Italy.
Having said all that, I still stand by my view that people shouldn't join 36 games if they're gonna start complaining about how long the 36 campaign takes half way through the game. And that isn't directed at you personally.
All in all, good game.
You were in a pretty hopeless situation and looking back now I understand why you quit.
You were right about the USSR, he did have every intention of declaring war on you the second you divided up Poland. Not to mention, France and the UK were in a very strong defensive position and had the forces available to launch an offensive into Germany and Italy.
Having said all that, I still stand by my view that people shouldn't join 36 games if they're gonna start complaining about how long the 36 campaign takes half way through the game. And that isn't directed at you personally.
All in all, good game.
Comrade Trapp said:Colonel Warden (Andrew), sorry for jumping all over you the other night.
You were in a pretty hopeless situation and looking back now I understand why you quit.
You were right about the USSR, he did have every intention of declaring war on you the second you divided up Poland. Not to mention, France and the UK were in a very strong defensive position and had the forces available to launch an offensive into Germany and Italy.
Having said all that, I still stand by my view that people shouldn't join 36 games if they're gonna start complaining about how long the 36 campaign takes half way through the game. And that isn't directed at you personally.
All in all, good game.
Erm...If i remember correctly its you who wanted me to dow him after poland. (To save france)
We would have never got to june 22nd 1941 anyway.
Should play another game later.
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Of course I wanted Germany to fight a two front war, what Allied player wouldn't?
But that doesn't mean France was in any immediate danger of being overrun, especially since we got Belgium and the Netherlands to join the Allies.
But that doesn't mean France was in any immediate danger of being overrun, especially since we got Belgium and the Netherlands to join the Allies.
Comrade Trapp said:
Yet another problem with the 36 scenario in HOI 2. Belgium and Netherlands join the Allies far too easily, multiplying the difficulty for Germany. I don't know why this happened. In HOI 1, they rarely would join, and of course, IRL their neutrality was a major factor in how the war transpired.