Thanks for the praise, but seriously guys, give EURO a bit of credit too, he tried his best.
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Go ahead and not work with me doesn't bother me. And yes I think you would send it as it is typical you as a baddie to do something wild and weird. The pm was just a totally horrific move and you don't see it as that. Jonti did nothing as the seer to even add some suspicion of euro outside doing exactly what euro asked him to do in the pm he sent the 3 of us. Honestly had you even tried to admit it was a bad move I might have considered your side but you kept defending the crazy PM. I don't feel badly at all.God Jacob. At least admit when you get schooled.
I will not try working with you again. That was my mistake here. If you honestly think I would send that PM as a baddie you are a fool.
Good day. Congrats EURO. He does not even see you played him for an idiot.
What did you do? Oh right, outed yourself and left your team mate alone to deal with the hunter. Well done.
Jacob: Care to post that PM I sent you guys about scanning AOK? also, how did I play sloppy?
EUROO7 said:One of you is the sorc, but since the sorc is virtually powerless in this game, I don't care.
My outing of AOK is real, he's the wolf.
Now, this seems kind of anti-climactic given the roster, and the potential of the game, so I implore you to not lynch him just yet. Let's make him suffer.
That is all.
To me jonti never voting euro was why I believe euro day 1 and then aok sending the pm made me believe euro day 2.
EDIT: Look at that aok. Jonti did EXACTLY what I expected out of him were he the hunter believing a euro seer. He didn't go straight at you and didn't try to refute euro.
What did you do? Oh right, outed yourself and left your team mate alone to deal with the hunter. Well done.
Jacob: Care to post that PM I sent you guys about scanning AOK? also, how did I play sloppy?
I told you you only get told of the sloppy "seer" if I was alive
Christ. If you cannot understand the utility of probing a suspect for a reaction, then I have totally overrated your werewolf acumen.
I will not make that mistake again. :wacko:
Read the pm and if you still think jonti didn't massively screw up I obviously overestimated your analysis skills. Jonti royally screwed that as the seer to do exactly what the fake seer wanted him to do.
Guys, you seem to be forgetting no one cares about Micro, relax
Take a leaf out of my book, in both games I've explicitly outed myself as either the sorc or the wolf and still gone on to win
Take a leaf out of my book, in both games I've explicitly outed myself as either the sorc or the wolf and still gone on to win
That is why I think it stupid for jonti/a seer not to forcefully out himself. He can still win if dead and takes a baddie with himGuys, you seem to be forgetting no one cares about Micro, relax
Take a leaf out of my book, in both games I've explicitly outed myself as either the sorc or the wolf and still gone on to win
Great victory, this one, for you.Guys, you seem to be forgetting no one cares about Micro, relax
Take a leaf out of my book, in both games I've explicitly outed myself as either the sorc or the wolf and still gone on to win
My apologies. Forget everything I said about you. It is not valid. I had not realized he sent something that explicit to everyone.
Jonti, what in the world were you thinking?
No idea. But let me tell you what our scanners were scanning (probably making this even odder):
Night 1:
Jonti scans AOK. 11. (!)
marty scans jacob.
Night 2:
jonti scans EURO. (But he's dead)
marty99 sends in an order hours after the deadline. Forget who it was, it was rather irrelevant
So as you can see jonti not only knew that EURO was not the seer, he knew that AOK was not a wolf ..
That makes it even more astonishing, jonti was far too cautious, I suppose he thought he wouldn't get hunted if he kept his mouth shut, but you can still win when dead
Well, at least it takes the spotlight off my several failures
Sorry to interrupt your circle jerk of blamestorming here, but i never scanned EURO until it was too late, so kindly GTFO.
No I didn't screw up, I scanned AOK, got no result, and sent in an order for EURO the next day. He then ate me.
As for knowing he wasn't the seer, so what? How the hell could i do anything other than paint "kill me" on my chest? EURO is always lying, and always lying about the same thing.
Let us rename this game to:
WWM : How not to play the Seer in a micro game presented by jonti-h and Werewolf Failure studios.
Uh, Jonti, this is a micro game. You win even if you die, and there is a 33% chance you are getting hunted no matter what happens. Sorry bud, but that was the definition of werewolf failure. Given the fact that EURO was a likely wolf and was seemingly trying to get me lynched, the likelyhood of you getting hunted rises then to 50% then since he would not hunt me but rather set me up for lynching.
Add to this that you knew I was not the wolf and it is simply ridiculous. You could of at least sent me something. There was a higher chance you were getting hunted than me being the Sorc. And Marty had already confessed to being the sorc so the odds of me being bad in this case were very small.
Total, complete, utter, pathetic, and overwhelmingly ridiculous fail. Period.
WWM : How not to play the Seer in a micro game presented by jonti-h and Werewolf Failure studios.
Uh, Jonti, this is a micro game. You win even if you die, and there is a 33% chance you are getting hunted no matter what happens. Sorry bud, but that was the definition of werewolf failure. Given the fact that EURO was a likely wolf and was seemingly trying to get me lynched, the likelyhood of you getting hunted rises then to 50% then since he would not hunt me but rather set me up for lynching.
Add to this that you knew I was not the wolf and it is simply ridiculous. You could of at least sent me something. There was a higher chance you were getting hunted than me being the Sorc. And Marty had already confessed to being the sorc so the odds of me being bad in this case were very small.
Total, complete, utter, pathetic, and overwhelmingly ridiculous fail. Period.
Yeah, you're a funny guy.
Since when has whether I specifically win mattered that much? I've won so many lites I've lost count.
OK, next time I'll wear my pin "I'm the seer, ask me how"
Right, I should have contacted a "not wolf" out of the blue. Mkay.
You could have been the sorc for all I knew.
While you came out as the hunter, and led the village to glory?
With the greatest of respect, and i do respect you as a player, you ain't in the best position to talk about who should have admitted their role.
It's so nice to know that out of all 5 players in this game, it was only me who didn't do it right.
I tried this game to see what it's like, to see if it was really as crap as I believed it would be. It is.
The point in Micro is that you somehow have to get your message across to the ones you want to get it to, but also manage to not give everything away.
Ofcourse this is easy if you can PM, but that leaves the thread to become an overflowing spillway of utter bullshit, heavily confusing each and everyone and making analysis utter impossible and pointless.
I asked randakar to give me the name and role of 1 random player, so I could use the same information as that player, except for the PM's. He randomly gave me jonti's role and scan results.
But it didn't do any good. EURO and AOK were making all kinds of claims in the thread, the one more implausible than the other. They could do this because with PM's you don't need the thread to try and communicate with your faction partners, whoever they might be.
Now I hear people complaining that this game was fail, bad, not worth of attention or time and just a general annoyance. Perhaps consider that that is because the PM's completely turned this game around and made it in big freefight where you only see 5 players get in and 2 get out, and not see what happens everything in between.
Yes, AOK did get all the roles right, despite not being a scanner. But the information was of no use to others, like j-L, because he couldn't share it (or at least share it in such a way that j-L could believe it). This game benefits with (and works because of) open communications. That is the only one everyone has as much information as possible, and combined with what they know about their own roles and eventual scanning results, can draw their own conclusions. And yes, even then it is possible to use skill to draw it in your favor.
Read these 4 posts/pages:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479356&page=4
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11248714&postcount=117 and further on page 7 and 8
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479356&page=7
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479356&page=8
And yes, I LOVE MICRO, but only without PM's. It's a different game and helps me to exercice my bluff skills.
Ofcourse this is easy if you can PM, but that leaves the thread to become an overflowing spillway of utter bullshit, heavily confusing each and everyone and making analysis utter impossible and pointless.
I asked randakar to give me the name and role of 1 random player, so I could use the same information as that player, except for the PM's. He randomly gave me jonti's role and scan results.
But it didn't do any good. EURO and AOK were making all kinds of claims in the thread, the one more implausible than the other. They could do this because with PM's you don't need the thread to try and communicate with your faction partners, whoever they might be.
Now I hear people complaining that this game was fail, bad, not worth of attention or time and just a general annoyance. Perhaps consider that that is because the PM's completely turned this game around and made it in big freefight where you only see 5 players get in and 2 get out, and not see what happens everything in between.
Yes, AOK did get all the roles right, despite not being a scanner. But the information was of no use to others, like j-L, because he couldn't share it (or at least share it in such a way that j-L could believe it). This game benefits with (and works because of) open communications. That is the only one everyone has as much information as possible, and combined with what they know about their own roles and eventual scanning results, can draw their own conclusions. And yes, even then it is possible to use skill to draw it in your favor.
Read these 4 posts/pages:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479356&page=4
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11248714&postcount=117 and further on page 7 and 8
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479356&page=7
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479356&page=8
And yes, I LOVE MICRO, but only without PM's. It's a different game and helps me to exercice my bluff skills.
That's true in a game without PMs yeah. With PMs, (as opposed to PMS
) that goes. That's precisely what happened in this game.
Here we have half the problem.
Within half an hour of the first day, I had a PM from EURO telling me AOK was a wolf. Now, this I obviously did not believe but didn't have enough evidence to hang EURO.
EURO and AOK were in a sort of arms race to come out with the more outrageous story. Neither of them had any credibility, since they were lying for sport.
With EURO's activity, I can't help wondering what AOK's reaction to a PM from me saying "He isn't the seer, he's a very naughty boy" would have gone down. I suspect he would not have believed me for a second.
I don't enjoy Micro, possibly just this game, but it's not my cup of tea - that doesn't make it phail tho. I don't like Twenty/20 cricket, but a lot of people do.
It may well have been.
You had a direct reason. You had a clean scan, and knew a likely wolf. You could have sent me, or Jacob a PM. The chances of that getting you killed (especially if you sent it to me) because of that were lower than the chances of you getting hunted. You simply have to tell someone in micro. There is no time to let things play out.
I had nothing to offer in revealing my role. You most certainly did. The purpose of the hunter is really to survive to the end. That is his only ability, to stop parity. I could have done nothing to help out our cause by outing myself. You could have hedged the risk of EUROwolf butchering the village without risking yourself very much at all. That is just the way it is.
The reason I could not get Jacob to work with me was because he could not believe you were the Seer based on the sheer ridiculousness of what happened. You can accept that or not. I really don't care. When I screw up, I admit it and learn from it. I also point out the fact when others do so for educational purposes. Games get better when people learn from past mistakes. Acting like you did just fine does not achieve that.
If you do not like that, then I am sorry. Yes, micro leaves much to be desired, but the point remains. Think things through. That will make all WW games better.