CK2 Dev Diary #104 - Forging a Bloodline

[Rhipeen]

can modders use bloodlines to affect certain things that shouldnt be usually possible in certain religions?

 

[Chaincat]

Can we get an example of how bloodline inheritance works? Is it just strictly agnatic/enatic depending on who founds it? Are some cognatic?

 

[SanguiniusStyle]

Paradox, just shut up and take my money.

Raid me please.

 

[Orinsul]

Those things seem very easy to do?
Maybe the requirements should be higher?
I mean who hasn't murdered 30 people

 

[Mr_Faorry]

Will a forged bloodline be applied to all dynasty members or will it only go to your descendants? So like, will your cousin the king of Burgundy also get your bloodline when you create one, or will it only go to your children and their children so on and so forth?

 

[Silfae]

Those things seem very easy to do?
Maybe the requirements should be higher?
I mean who hasn't murdered 30 people

You need to have the ambition in order for those conditions to be considered "met".

Will a forged bloodline be applied to all dynasty members or will it only go to your descendants? So like, will your cousin the king of Burgundy also get your bloodline when you create one, or will it only go to your children and their children so on and so forth?

Direct descendants.

 

[tuckerthebana]

It would be great to get a list of some example historical bloodlines.... the de Hautevilles for example...

There is another dev diary that talked about some of the historic examples. Unless you wanted more then that one. I think it was the first one focused just on bloodlines

 

[puggle999]

You are going to get a bloodline as soon as you fulfill one of the conditions (or a combination of two), there is no "everything" bloodline.

So is there a grace period? Or is it if I murder 15 and have built 7 cities I'd get a hybrid automatically ?

 

[Vindahl]

I allow myself to ask again, while I see answers still are being answered - perhaps mine was just forgotten amidst the many questions... Sorry if it is an annoyance!

Is there an expiration date on the Bloodlines, say after 200 years they no longer stay valid or lose a huge part of their benefits? Or is there a limitation to how long it can pass through female descendants, before it is redeemed as too thinned out, to have an effect? I am afraid of a scenario where after having played some time, half the world share most of the bloodlines.

 

[Chaincat]

I allow myself to ask again, while I see answers still are being answered - perhaps mine was just forgotten amidst the many questions... Sorry if it is an annoyance!

Is there an expiration date on the Bloodlines, say after 200 years they no longer stay valid or lose a huge part of their benefits? Or is there a limitation to how long it can pass through female descendants, before it is redeemed as too thinned out, to have an effect? I am afraid of a scenario where after having played some time, half the world share most of the bloodlines.

I believe Silfae said they last until you lose them in inheritence, meaning so long as someone has it you can still get it back, I guess. Seeing as it can be lost in inheritance, I can only assume that means that it's strictly agnatic or enatic based on who the founder is.

 

[neutrondecay]

I allow myself to ask again, while I see answers still are being answered - perhaps mine was just forgotten amidst the many questions...

Is there an expiration date on the Bloodlines, say after 200 years they no longer stay valid or lose a huge part of their benefits? Or is there a limitation to how long it can pass through female descendants, before it is redeemed as too thinned out, to have an effect? I am afraid of a scenario where after having played some time, half the world share most of the bloodlines.

It has already been stated several times that all the bloodlines in the vanilla game will be passed either matrilineally or patrilineally, but not both. Your question rather assumes that's not the case, which might be a partial answer to why you're not getting responses.

Additionally, some features of some bloodlines require the bearer to meet certain conditions in order to be useful - generally having the same religion as the founder. The bloodline still gets passed on, so if a distant descendant converts back to their ancestral faith, the benefit will be usable again.

nd

 

[Silfae]

So is there a grace period? Or is it if I murder 15 and have built 7 cities I'd get a hybrid automatically ?

Yes, hybrid bloodlines are usually gained when a character is halway through 2 paths.

I believe Silfae said they last until you lose them in inheritence, meaning so long as someone has it you can still get it back, I guess. Seeing as it can be lost in inheritance, I can only assume that means that it's strictly agnatic or enatic based on who the founder is.

Yes.

 

[SigurdStormhand]

Greetings.

Before we jump into the dev diary proper we have an exciting announcement. Pagan Fury the official band of Crusader Kings have released their first single that can be found below! Have a listen, let us know what you think and make sure to follow the band on spotify to find out what is coming next.

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We have already covered the topic of Bloodlines, and more specifically historical Bloodlines, in a past Dev Diary, yet marrying into a famous family is not the only way to gain a Bloodline in Holy Fury.

There are quite a few custom Bloodlines that you can found with your own ruler by several different means. Some can be gained through special actions, such as by building a Legend as a Warrior Lodge Hero, others can be unlocked by performing impressive feats, such as being an extraordinarily dedicated Viking raider or restoring Israel.

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Finally, if your ruler has very high Prestige (5000 points or higher) and is Duke-tier or above, you will have access to the new Forge Bloodline ambition.

By picking this ambition you will be provided with several paths to create your own custom Bloodline, tailoring it to whichever kind of ruler you wish to be remembered as.

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Each path will lead you to unlock a different bloodline, each coming in different variants (for example pursuing the Murder path will lead you to gain one of four different Murder-related Bloodlines). Additionally, if you pursue more than a single path at the same time, you have a chance of unlocking a hybridized Bloodline, with its own unique perks.

And finally, if you take too long to complete any of the initial paths, having the ambition will trigger a special event chain that will allow you to invest resources and select from yet another pool of potential bloodlines, whose pick will be determined by the choices that you make during the event chain itself.

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Some of these Bloodlines grant a static bonus, decreasing the chance of vassals joining factions against you, increasing your plot power, or unlocking special buildings for your realms, others grant more dynamic perks, such as special events to facilitate murder or decisions to meddle in your relatives’ private affairs.

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This is it for now, though there's still going to be some news coming today. Do not forget to tune in for our very special stream at 17:00 CEST (https://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive).

Nice - but I worry that the "murder 30 people" option will be the default.

 

[Unready]

All at once. Getting into a war resets the counter.

Is peasants or heathens rebellions count as war?
UPD: second page is answer this.

 

[Chaincat]

Is peasants or heathens rebellions count as war?

He said previously that rebellions and revolts don't count. Only a war with another realm counts.

 

[puggle999]

Do the conditions get measured from picking the ambition or over the lifetime?

Do I have to pick the 30 years of peace young to have a chance of picking it? Or can my elder statesman choose it well after 30 years of peace

 

[Vindahl]

It has already been stated several times that all the bloodlines in the vanilla game will be passed either matrilineally or patrilineally, but not both. Your question rather assumes that's not the case, which might be a partial answer to why you're not getting responses.

Additionally, some features of some bloodlines require the bearer to meet certain conditions in order to be useful - generally having the same religion as the founder. The bloodline still gets passed on, so if a distant descendant converts back to their ancestral faith, the benefit will be usable again.

nd

I don't quite understand your response, sorry - I feel some of this is very technical.
I understood that it gets transfered to your kids, but I did just not read anyplace how long time it can pass on through a female line for example, like with claims, that seem to disappear after 2-3 generations of female passing through. But it seems that it will continue forever. Unless you lose it somehow - I still don't understand how you can lose it though, besides it has something to do with inheritance. Is it like with claims? That there is a chance that some of your children will not get the bloodline?

 

[Levgar]

Whats the bank of israel?

 

[Silfae]

Nice - but I worry that the "murder 30 people" option will be the default.

Eh, there are various Murder bloodline types with different perks to choose from, so there is variation even if one focuses on that path. Still, the other bloodline types grant different perks which are not accessible to the Murder bloodlines, so there's still that...

Do the conditions get measured from picking the ambition or over the lifetime?

Do I have to pick the 30 years of peace young to have a chance of picking it? Or can my elder statesman choose it well after 30 years of peace

Most conditions are checked even before picking the ambition, with the one major exception of the years of peace.

I understood that it gets transfered to your kids, but I did just not read anyplace how long time it can pass on through a female line for example, like with claims, that seem to disappear after 2-3 generations of female passing through. But it seems that it will continue forever. Unless you lose it somehow - I still don't understand how you can lose it though, besides it has something to do with inheritance. Is it like with claims? That there is a chance that some of your children will not get the bloodline?

The older Dev Diary about Bloodlines explained the inheritance process: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-85-legacy-of-legends.1102727/
The vast majority of Bloodlines are either agnatic or enatic, usually depending on the founder's sex, which determine what members are allowed to pass them down to their children. Bloodlines do not "wane" like claims.

 

[Jaevelklein]

29 years into the peace ambition, a message arrives:

"May Allah destroy your house. This is a formal declaration of WAR. Our armies shall meet on the field of battle!"