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CK2 Dev Diary #105 - Clergy Interactions Revamp

Hello, everyone.

Today we will be talking of a nice quality of life update to the interface, AI behavior and some new additional flavor regarding the Papacy (as well as any similar religious head that has access to these interactions, such as a Reformed Pagan High Priest with Hierocratic Leadership).

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The patch coming with Holy Fury will place all Papal Actions in a more easily accessible list of icons, right under the portrait of your religious head in the Religion screen.

Furthermore, the behavior for all these actions has been un-hardcoded and fully scripted, so the Pope is now much more sensible when deciding who he wants to Excommunicate, and less restrictive when considering the possibility of granting an Invasion casus belli to an ambitious ruler. More importantly, players are now able to see exactly why their religious head is denying them a request.

The AI logic itself has been considerably expanded and tailored to the various actions.

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Having a vassal Pope no longer ensures that all your demands will be automatically accepted, and having an independent Pope will not make it near-impossible to get a favor from him. The Pope will take into consideration Opinion, Piety, traits, the specific circumstances (such as divorcing an infertile wife), and the amount of controlled Cardinal seats when deciding whether to accept a ruler’s request or not. Piety costs for these interactions have also been rebalanced and tied to the ruler’s tier, making them more accessible to low ranking rulers and costlier to Kings and Emperors.

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The Request Claim interaction has been given a special new interface as well to make it more intuitive and accessible to players. Rather than having to search directly for the title that you wish to gain a claim on, you can use the new button in the religious view to get a list of potential Catholic rulers owning titles for which the Pope is willing to grant you a claim on. By clicking on any of them, you will be shown a second window showing the list of all titles owned by the target ruler and from there you can select the one that you are interested in.

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Finally, if you are Excommunicated, the Issue Declaration of Repentance decision has been revamped so that it is no longer simply a cash payment.

Much like when requesting a coronation, the Pope will now pick one out of several possible demands for the player to fulfill in exchange for the lifting of his excommunication. Requests can range from a show of contrition causing Prestige loss, to changing your realm laws, to give one of your sons to the Church.


Also, bonus Cardinal clothes, pre and post 1245:

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I think that the best way to simulate the High Kingdom of Ireland would be through new mechanics. Each duke would have a stat based on his prestige divided by age, and would increase when most pious or prestigious actions were taken. If this was high enough, he could take a decision to "Claim the High Kingdom". Based on the other (Irish) rulers in Ireland's opinion of him, they would either join on his side or fight against the attempt (or have no war at all, if everyone likes him enough).

The catch is, when the High King dies, if no one had a high enough number of this new stat, the realm would splinter again. If someone does, the person with the highest would gain the title, but all dukes who disliked him would have an independence revolt. Another tricky feature is that going to war with any other Irish duke would make this stat decrease, and the lower this stat, the less other Irish dukes like him.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...to-simulate-high-kingship-of-ireland.1124480/

I've made a suggestion on the suggestion forums. It would involve making tanistry a lot less stable a succession system than it is currently.
 
This makes me so damn happy!
I have loved every announcement about Holy Fury thus far but one of my biggest concerns had been that Roleplaying and Achievement Hunting seemed like the only real reason to consider not going for Temporal leadership. Excommunication, Requested Invasions, Claims, etc... though are all such amazing reasons to have a Hierocratic head that it makes it an actual, meaningful decision ESPECIALLY for larger groups of Pagans.

Pagan popes are going to be great!
 
less restrictive when considering the possibility of granting an Invasion casus belli to an ambitious ruler.

Does this mean the Papal Invasion CB will become even easier to get? That doesn't sound very good to me...
I think it's already easy enough: invading half of Europe, including entire HRE, in a few years is very much viable at the moment.
 
Does this mean the Papal Invasion CB will become even easier to get? That doesn't sound very good to me...
I think it's already easy enough: invading half of Europe, including entire HRE, in a few years is very much viable at the moment.
Remember that a vassal Pope won't grant everything all the time now.
 
This has made me switch back from wanting to go with autonomous leadership, pagan high priests were in desperate need of some interaction/flavor.

Two questions though:

1. Will non-Catholic hierocratic rulers still be generated randomly? Their stats and traits tend to be really awful/arbitrary.
2. Have you guys settled on what kind of branches (and the bonuses they entail) autonomous leadeship get? Could we get them pretty please?
 
@Silfae Speaking of
as well as any similar religious head that has access to these interactions, such as a Reformed Pagan High Priest with Hierocratic Leadership
Are pagan rulers with religious heads allowed to request GHW now?
In my last Mali campaign, first thing religious head did after getting GHW CB is declared it on Mongolia (under control of Western Protectorate).
Also when I reformed aztec religion before AI, aztec religious head never called GHWs.
It was upsetting.
So, maybe something was actually done about it?
 
Slavic = Chernoban

I'm a little curious how you came up with that one because my understand is protoslavic translation of that would be black ruler? especially given the similarity to Chernobog (Black god) it intuitively seems to me like you chose the wrong part of the god name? Sorry if Im wrong!
 
Nice that having vassals be cardinals is a relatively significant factor. That gives you some incentive to have large vassal theocracies beyond just electing the Pope. Maybe that's already the case, but I never noticed
 
Of course they will, the converter is already creating dynamic tags for nations that don't exist in EU

But will the Converter be able to handle the capacity of making new Religions and Cultures. Shattered world has new Pagan Religious that are randomly made. It it does I will be EXTREMELY impressed. I do however completely expect it to work with Vanilla Religions and Cultures
 
I'm a bit too lazy to look back for the answer, but when the reformation mechanic were introduced, the answer could be summed up as "it won't do anything". The converter is just going to convert your religion to it's EU equivalent without regard for what kind of doctrine and bonus you chooses.

Pity, I was looking forward to some type of feature regarding that. I love seeing how a world has evolved over 1000 years.

A suggestion I do have thought is that a Caliph or a Reformed Temporal Pagan ruler gets the Feudal Theocracy reform in EU4. This way you can have it display a specific title based on religion such as Fylkir and Fylkirate of (Country). Same with the Caliphate. I get annoyed when I convert a Caliphate and my character isn't Caliph anymore. Maybe there is a way to mod this in?

It would be kind of wired though if you had a Enatic Clans pagan doctrine and when you convert you suddenly have a bunch of male Leaders after dozens of years with only Female Leaders.

A suggestion I do have though is that depending on the two doctrines the Reformed religion stats will be different. Also it was affect the type of mechanic they get. The only problem with this is that West African turns into fetishist wether reformed or not.
 
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Baltic = First Vaidila
Aztec = Tlatoani
African = Grand Saltigue
Bon = Dalai Lama
I think that is all of them.
Wait, does this mean the Bon religion is no longer un-reformable?