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The question of new bookmarks always brings me to Lithuania, much like 867 and 769 had - because, as someone who lives there and fairly immersed in its history, I can tell that PDS always grasps at straws when filling the region out with rulers. 867, in the Paradox timeline, is the start of the legendary House of Palemon, while 769 has all fictional rulers (though I feel like they missed a real opportunity to fill the Baltics in 769 with Widewuto's sons - though they were from the 600s, there isn't going to be a 600s bookmark regardless, so they can safely be recycled for the 8th century).

However, since 867 is the start of the House of Palemon in CK2, and Palemon is the leader of Lithuania in TOG bookmark (even though he should be Roman and Hellenic if the legend were taken at face value), who is in control of Lithuania in the 936 start date? Palemon's three sons are characters in 867, so none of them should be alive by 936.

Kernius, perhaps? He only has a daughter Pajauta while his brother Gimbutas is in control of Samogitia - oddly similar to Charlemagne and Carloman :p
 
Alfray Stryke said:
Boo, Irish paganism would be great. For the nay-sayers just have it use the same game rule as Hellenic.

While we're at it, throw Kemetic in there, you've already got pyramids.
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Could we please stop adding dead religions for meme value
Especially druidism, at the least hellenism and khemetic faiths we know enough about to give mechanics to. We know next to nothing about the British celtic faith and all we do have is written by roman sources. Heresies need fleshing out both orthodox and Islam could use an overhaul can we talk about druidism after that happens? If we must have more pagans what about the daylamites, that at least is historically justifiable
 
brovahkiin said:
Could we please stop adding dead religions for meme value
Especially druidism, at the least hellenism and khemetic faiths we know enough about to give mechanics to. We know next to nothing about the British celtic faith and all we do have is written by roman sources. Heresies need fleshing out both orthodox and Islam could use an overhaul can we talk about druidism after that happens? If we must have more pagans what about the daylamites, that at least is historically justifiable
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I've never heard of the Daylamites, who were they?
 
Alfray Stryke said:
I've never heard of the Daylamites, who were they?
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I'll be honest the records on their faith isn't very good either
From what i understand they were a people in the region that is k-daylam in ck2 held out against the arab conquest maintained strong local identity. Mostly pagans with a zoroastrian and nestorian minority that were pretty syncretized
Continuing my honesty I only heard of them the other day on these forums the other day
 
brovahkiin said:
Could we please stop adding dead religions for meme value
Especially druidism, at the least hellenism and khemetic faiths we know enough about to give mechanics to. We know next to nothing about the British celtic faith and all we do have is written by roman sources. Heresies need fleshing out both orthodox and Islam could use an overhaul can we talk about druidism after that happens? If we must have more pagans what about the daylamites, that at least is historically justifiable
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To be fair, regarding lacking knowledge about Druidism, the exact same thing can be said about many of the pagan religions which already exist in CK2 - notably Baltic, Slavic and Finnic paganism, all the information we have about them comes from Christian sources and extrapolation from other, more well known pagan religions. As a result, all three of them are completely generic in CK2.

Lack of information in of itself is not really an argument for not adding Druidism (and, honestly, the things we do know about Celtic paganism are recognizable enough to make alright mechanics), though I still agree that Druidism should be left out. Honestly I felt the same on Hellenic Revival.

Alfray Stryke said:
I've never heard of the Daylamites, who were they?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylamites

Inhabitants of the Daylam region in northern Persia who resisted the Muslim invasion, and it is believed they clinged onto Iranian paganism until the 9th century.
 
Augenis said:
To be fair, regarding lacking knowledge about Druidism, the exact same thing can be said about many of the pagan religions which already exist in CK2 - notably Baltic, Slavic and Finnic paganism, all the information we have about them comes from Christian sources and extrapolation from other, more well known pagan religions. As a result, all three of them are completely generic in CK2.
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That's certainly true but that's somewhat my point. Because druidism is a dead faith the only justification for adding it would be if it would be awesome and fun to play. But because there's so little evidence about the faith, it would be impossible to really flesh it out and it would wind up as boring and forgettable as nearly every non gernanic pagan faith. Which wouldn't be awesome
Khemetic would be just as dead but at least could have actual mechanics and therefore be hilarious and awesome enough to add one day when the devs are really drunk
 
Snow Crystal said:
- Good idea, I'll add them.
- Yes
- Yes
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This talk about retinues made me remember that Alans don't have a special one. I know it has nothing to do with the discussion but could you add one to them? I think they were just forgotten.
 
Tehnloss said:
This talk about retinues made me remember that Alans don't have a special one. I know it has nothing to do with the discussion but could you add one to them? I think they were just forgotten.
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It's too late to add them for the Iron Century update, but I'll see if I can add them after the patch.
 
Snow Crystal said:
It's too late to add them for the Iron Century update, but I'll see if I can add them after the patch.
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On a similar note, Alan and Assyrian rulers get to build the standard Byzantine Cataphract Training Ground in their castles which seems off given how Assyrian retinue is Heavy Infantry.

You could fix both the Alan retinue and culture building without having to do any real work if you simply moved them from the Byzantine culture group into the Iranian one (which would give them Horse Archer retinue and Riding Ground building). They were an Iranian people so they'd fit in better than the Vlachs do in the South Slavic group. ;)

If you decide to keep them in the Byzantine group for political reasons, don't forget to also adjust their tribal culture building when you get around to fixing their castle one.
 
Any chance of seeing a symbasileus/co-emperor system integrated? Since 3.0 it's a feature that I would really like to see and it would be a particularly welcome addition in this bookmark given the status of Constantine VII and the sons of Romanos.
 
Ogarrian said:
because muslims have invasions for 1000 piety, decadence is easy to keep at zero which buffs your personal holdings, they have open succession, they can holy war anyone of a different branch of islam and can do it from two sea zones away, they have conquest for 50 piety, they can go on pilgrimage for good traits, they can borrow from jews, they can have four wives and a shit load of kids, they can hold temples, they can revoke duchies for free, and they can join the hashashin which lets you get favors, borrow money with no interest and raise large armies for free. shia is specifically good because they are few in number and can holy war anyone and they can also join the hashashin without having to secretly convert but these qarmatian boys can do all that and raid infidels and raise levies with no penalty which makes them god teir (at the expense of jizya tax but thats a very small concession)
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Judging by the religions description I suspect the Qarmatians will lose the Hajj also.
 
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