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CK2 - Dev Diary #124 - Recommended Characters in The Iron Century

Welcome to the first developer diary about ‘The Iron Century’ this week. We will post a Developer Diary every day this week, show-casing some interesting starts and other minor things you might expect to see in the new bookmark.

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On the 7th of August 936, Otto I was crowned King of the Germans. He initiated his arduous campaign to crush his rivals and reconquer the lost territory in Italy to reform the Holy Roman Empire. The Magyars settled down in the Carpathian Basin and began to make their mark on the world as they conquered and pillaged their neighbors, becoming feared across Europe. In the north the Christians were trying to push into the Scandinavian Peninsula to start converting the pagan kings, but the Germanic faith still stood strong among the vikings. In Baghdad far to the south-east, the ancient Abbasid Caliphate that once ruled an empire stretching from Persia to Hispania finally fell to infighting, left only with the heartland of their former empire. And on the shores of Africa a new rival rose up in the form of the Fatimid Caliphate, ready to fill the vacant regions left behind by their adversary.

We know a lot of people have asked for a 10th century bookmark, and similarly we have long wanted one as well, as the 10th century had a lot of interesting history to offer. It is the birth of the Fatimid caliphate, the fall of the Abbasid caliphate, the rise of the Ottonian dynasty and the decline of the Karling dynasty.

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We have set up six recommended characters for the start date, though that is not to say we haven’t filled the world with other interesting characters for you guys to try out as well.

King Otto of Germany: In many ways Otto is the protagonist of the bookmark. He has just been crowned King, and has quite the task ahead of himself in trying to put together the Holy Roman Empire and beat back the pagan encroaching from the east (Hungarians) and the north (Norse tribes). To the west, the vassal holding the Stem-Duchy of Lotharingia (Lorraine), Duke Giselbert, recently changed his allegiance to the young King Louis Karling of West Francia. Not to mention the tumultuous kingship of Italy, that will be needed to recreate the Holy Roman Empire.

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Caliph al-Qaim: Only two years have passed since al-Qaim took up the position of Caliph after the death of his father, the legendary al-Mahdi who carved out a nation at the shores of North Africa. With the weak Abbasid Caliphate having been shattered these last decades, the Fatimids are trying to take on their rightful positions as overlords of the Muslim world, but not all their vassals are as fond of them as they might think. Only a few years after our start Abu Yazid would start a revolt that would plunge the newly founded Caliphate into a crisis that almost broke it apart. And in the east a new threat rises in the form of Al-Ikhshid, the newly appointed governor of Egypt who is ready to support the Abbasids.

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King Æthelstan of England: As the first king of a truly collected England, Æthelstan is very much in the prime of his power. But only a year later, historically speaking, he had to fight the coalition of the Kingdoms of Dublin, Alba and Strathclyde in the Battle of Brunaburh. His victory secured the new frontiers in the north, but if he had lost? Who can say what would have happened with the Isles if that had happened.

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Abu Tahir of the Jannabid Emirate: The Jannabids were notorious around our bookmark as they entered Mecca under false pretenses and slaughtered the pilgrims, and brought the Black Stone back to their capital and held it hostage for decades. They continued to raid the lands of the Abbasids and the Ikhshidids, until they eventually faltered and started to diminish in the latter half of the 10th century.

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King Árpád Zoltan of Hungary: Not many years has passed since the Magyars descended from the steppes and into basin, pushing out the Bulgarians and anyone else who stood in their path. However, now they are one of the few pagans left in the area, surrounded by the Germans to the west, Bohemians to the north and the Bulgarian Empire to the south. Led by the Árpád dynasty, it is time to find their destiny, be it as the raiders and conquerors of Europe, or (as they did historically) become one of the defenders of Christianity.

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King Hakon (the Good) of Norway: Young Hakon is 16 year old as he lands in Norway. Raised by King Æthelstan of England, he has now returned to his take up overlordship of his country. Not long ago his half-brother Erik Bloodaxe killed two of their other brothers and took control of the land, but he has recently been thrown out by the Norwegian Jarls. Still brooding in the north of Scotland with his army, he can still be seen as a threat to Hakon's rule, but he is not the most immediate one. As a Catholic, Hakon is certain to be in trouble as all his vassals follow the old ways, as does his pagan neighbors to the north and east.

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We hope you guys are as excited to test out the new bookmark as we are for you to see it. Tomorrow we will talk about some interesting Christian characters you guys will be able to try out!

PS, for those interested in AARs, I've asked WJS to test out the Iron Century patch and write one. I love the ones I've read so far, so hopefully you will as well :) Here's a link! https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...s-rebellion-an-iron-century-mini-aar.1179523/
 
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The question of new bookmarks always brings me to Lithuania, much like 867 and 769 had - because, as someone who lives there and fairly immersed in its history, I can tell that PDS always grasps at straws when filling the region out with rulers. 867, in the Paradox timeline, is the start of the legendary House of Palemon, while 769 has all fictional rulers (though I feel like they missed a real opportunity to fill the Baltics in 769 with Widewuto's sons - though they were from the 600s, there isn't going to be a 600s bookmark regardless, so they can safely be recycled for the 8th century).

However, since 867 is the start of the House of Palemon in CK2, and Palemon is the leader of Lithuania in TOG bookmark (even though he should be Roman and Hellenic if the legend were taken at face value), who is in control of Lithuania in the 936 start date? Palemon's three sons are characters in 867, so none of them should be alive by 936.

Kernius, perhaps? He only has a daughter Pajauta while his brother Gimbutas is in control of Samogitia - oddly similar to Charlemagne and Carloman :p
 
Boo, Irish paganism would be great. For the nay-sayers just have it use the same game rule as Hellenic.

While we're at it, throw Kemetic in there, you've already got pyramids.
Could we please stop adding dead religions for meme value
Especially druidism, at the least hellenism and khemetic faiths we know enough about to give mechanics to. We know next to nothing about the British celtic faith and all we do have is written by roman sources. Heresies need fleshing out both orthodox and Islam could use an overhaul can we talk about druidism after that happens? If we must have more pagans what about the daylamites, that at least is historically justifiable
 
Could we please stop adding dead religions for meme value
Especially druidism, at the least hellenism and khemetic faiths we know enough about to give mechanics to. We know next to nothing about the British celtic faith and all we do have is written by roman sources. Heresies need fleshing out both orthodox and Islam could use an overhaul can we talk about druidism after that happens? If we must have more pagans what about the daylamites, that at least is historically justifiable

I've never heard of the Daylamites, who were they?
 
I've never heard of the Daylamites, who were they?
I'll be honest the records on their faith isn't very good either
From what i understand they were a people in the region that is k-daylam in ck2 held out against the arab conquest maintained strong local identity. Mostly pagans with a zoroastrian and nestorian minority that were pretty syncretized
Continuing my honesty I only heard of them the other day on these forums the other day
 
Could we please stop adding dead religions for meme value
Especially druidism, at the least hellenism and khemetic faiths we know enough about to give mechanics to. We know next to nothing about the British celtic faith and all we do have is written by roman sources. Heresies need fleshing out both orthodox and Islam could use an overhaul can we talk about druidism after that happens? If we must have more pagans what about the daylamites, that at least is historically justifiable
To be fair, regarding lacking knowledge about Druidism, the exact same thing can be said about many of the pagan religions which already exist in CK2 - notably Baltic, Slavic and Finnic paganism, all the information we have about them comes from Christian sources and extrapolation from other, more well known pagan religions. As a result, all three of them are completely generic in CK2.

Lack of information in of itself is not really an argument for not adding Druidism (and, honestly, the things we do know about Celtic paganism are recognizable enough to make alright mechanics), though I still agree that Druidism should be left out. Honestly I felt the same on Hellenic Revival.

I've never heard of the Daylamites, who were they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylamites

Inhabitants of the Daylam region in northern Persia who resisted the Muslim invasion, and it is believed they clinged onto Iranian paganism until the 9th century.
 
To be fair, regarding lacking knowledge about Druidism, the exact same thing can be said about many of the pagan religions which already exist in CK2 - notably Baltic, Slavic and Finnic paganism, all the information we have about them comes from Christian sources and extrapolation from other, more well known pagan religions. As a result, all three of them are completely generic in CK2.
That's certainly true but that's somewhat my point. Because druidism is a dead faith the only justification for adding it would be if it would be awesome and fun to play. But because there's so little evidence about the faith, it would be impossible to really flesh it out and it would wind up as boring and forgettable as nearly every non gernanic pagan faith. Which wouldn't be awesome
Khemetic would be just as dead but at least could have actual mechanics and therefore be hilarious and awesome enough to add one day when the devs are really drunk
 
- Good idea, I'll add them.
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- Yes
This talk about retinues made me remember that Alans don't have a special one. I know it has nothing to do with the discussion but could you add one to them? I think they were just forgotten.
 
This talk about retinues made me remember that Alans don't have a special one. I know it has nothing to do with the discussion but could you add one to them? I think they were just forgotten.

It's too late to add them for the Iron Century update, but I'll see if I can add them after the patch.
 
It's too late to add them for the Iron Century update, but I'll see if I can add them after the patch.

On a similar note, Alan and Assyrian rulers get to build the standard Byzantine Cataphract Training Ground in their castles which seems off given how Assyrian retinue is Heavy Infantry.

You could fix both the Alan retinue and culture building without having to do any real work if you simply moved them from the Byzantine culture group into the Iranian one (which would give them Horse Archer retinue and Riding Ground building). They were an Iranian people so they'd fit in better than the Vlachs do in the South Slavic group. ;)

If you decide to keep them in the Byzantine group for political reasons, don't forget to also adjust their tribal culture building when you get around to fixing their castle one.
 
Any chance of seeing a symbasileus/co-emperor system integrated? Since 3.0 it's a feature that I would really like to see and it would be a particularly welcome addition in this bookmark given the status of Constantine VII and the sons of Romanos.
 
because muslims have invasions for 1000 piety, decadence is easy to keep at zero which buffs your personal holdings, they have open succession, they can holy war anyone of a different branch of islam and can do it from two sea zones away, they have conquest for 50 piety, they can go on pilgrimage for good traits, they can borrow from jews, they can have four wives and a shit load of kids, they can hold temples, they can revoke duchies for free, and they can join the hashashin which lets you get favors, borrow money with no interest and raise large armies for free. shia is specifically good because they are few in number and can holy war anyone and they can also join the hashashin without having to secretly convert but these qarmatian boys can do all that and raid infidels and raise levies with no penalty which makes them god teir (at the expense of jizya tax but thats a very small concession)
Judging by the religions description I suspect the Qarmatians will lose the Hajj also.