CK2 Dev Diary #46: Surveying the Survey

[Burned Coffee]

No, people are complaining because it was a shitty DLC that should never have diverted resources away fro other DLCs that would actually make sense and improve the game. People were mad for a reason, not because they wanted to be contrarian.

Dude, again only people who dislike it bring it up, when was the last time you saw a praise SI post? my point is that there are no fanboys of SI, only people that like it enough to not post about it.

Don't misunderstand, complain as much as you want, is your right. I just don't think you should dismiss other people's opinions as fanboyism.

PS: I'll stop posting in this post now, I don't want to start an unnecessary discussion.

 

[Kilkakon]

I'm a little surprised The Republic was not one of the three least-used DLCs. Republics are fun, but I reckoned the paucity of starts compared to say, the Sword of Islam, would have seen it drop. Maybe we're all still hunting those elusive 80 trade posts?

Republics are my favourite government type myself

 

[neusaap]

I would love an earlier startdate that has the potential of radically changing medieval Europe while it doesn't:
A. Create intense bordergore. (Charlemagne would be so good without this)
B. Have the Vikings already in their historical places. (Old Gods)

And apart from that I want to play a startdate where I can start as the ancient Frisians, so I can try to create a Dutch nationstate out of them.

 

[TheDungen]

I would love an earlier startdate that has the potential of radically changing medieval Europe while it doesn't:
A. Create intense bordergore. (Charlemagne would be so good without this)
B. Have the Vikings already in their historical places. (Old Gods)

And apart from that I want to play a startdate where I can start as the ancient Frisians, so I can try to create a Dutch nationstate out of them.

... You can do that right? There's a frisian count in eastfrisia in 769.

 

[Woifee]

I would love an earlier startdate that has the potential of radically changing medieval Europe while it doesn't:
A. Create intense bordergore. (Charlemagne would be so good without this)
B. Have the Vikings already in their historical places. (Old Gods)

And apart from that I want to play a startdate where I can start as the ancient Frisians, so I can try to create a Dutch nationstate out of them.

I already made a frisian kingdom of frisia.. Not that hard. Ask for vassalising and plot your way up.

If you go dutch later on is totally on you. I like to preserve frisian. Even if I'm not a frisian character.

 

[Woifee]

Yes, pagans are well liked, but to give them content I'd rather see new mechanics instead of even earlier start dates. Wh they still don't have heresies or a hism event chain still puzzles me.

 

[Farbolo]

I would like to strengsten the "add a new start date"-camp by stating that making a date between, say 900 and 1050, playable would be highly interesting out of a historic perspective. Otto the Great, Rollo swearing fealty, the northern-sea realm, etc.
The absolute bonus would be, if the timeline could be extended up to that point as well so that the history geeks can jump in at any point of a seemingly minor war and alter history - though I realise the huge amount of work such an extension would demand.
HIP, for example is doing this exactly, by fully extending the timeline now to 1043: William would still be young, the seljuks would not totally dominate the Middle East, stronger shia Fatimids would ensure more interesting intrareligious struggles, etc. If I understood correctly, the next date to which the timeline will be extended, is 1018. Although the difference to 1066 would consist of merely 50 years, there'd exist a totally different scenario which could incentivize even the CKII-veterans - who have seen everything by now - to start anew.
Taking HIP as an example, it should be clear, why a new start date /+ timeline extensions could contribute real to our game experience with CKII

 

[Kubissus_PL]

Nobody asked me about my opinion ._.

 

[Atlantians]

Then wouldn't that be a Japanese invasion instead?

Do those Barbarian Europeans really know the difference?

 

[Grand Historian]

Do those Barbarian Europeans really know the difference?

One would think the Indians at least would.

 

[JP5243]

One could make him immune to conversions but while I am very skeptical to start dates so early that is not a reason and if all other historical figures in Paradox games might do better or worse than in reality why should he be immune?

You can already mess around with numerous Christian Saints (Louis IX, Margaret of Scotland and Alexander Nevsky come to mind, heck Charlemagne's even beatified).

 

[StarSword]

You can already mess around with numerous Christian Saints (Louis IX, Margaret of Scotland and Alexander Nevsky come to mind, heck Charlemagne's even beatified).

I thought of that argument, but the counterargument is that for Muslims it's less like screwing with some post-Roman saint and more like screwing with Yeshua ben Yusuf Himself.

 

[Kljunas]

It's amazing that, after five years of non-fantasy content, people are still upset about SI "diverting resources" for a month.

 

[DàbiànLājīdàrén]

It's amazing that, after five years of non-fantasy content, people are still upset about SI "diverting resources" for a month.

I honestly thought SI was one of the more thematically innovative moments of Paradox history. I mean there are other games where you can play as crusaders or colonizers, but in no other game that I know of can you fight off an Aztec invasion.

 

[TheDungen]

I thought of that argument, but the counterargument is that for Muslims it's less like screwing with some post-Roman saint and more like screwing with Yeshua ben Yusuf Himself.

Which a lot of people do. Like I said as long as the depictions is respectful I don't think most muslims will mind.

 

[Zalmoxis]

Best be safe than sorry. What about the date right after Muhammads death, at the start of the first caliph?

 

[DàbiànLājīdàrén]

I don't get why so many want even earlier bookmarks that'll just create even more fantasy scenarios. If you want to add bookmarks, at least set them between 769 and 867 or later, because then you'll have more information and less fantasy cultures that never become anything close to what you'll find in history. Having an early Muslim world where just one bad military conquest and you never get Islamic middle east sounds really boring to me.

 

[Zalmoxis]

Yeah, I agree. CM should stay the earliest start date.

Now, a possible new Paradox game set during the roman eras, that's a different story!

 

[TheDungen]

I don't get why so many want even earlier bookmarks that'll just create even more fantasy scenarios. If you want to add bookmarks, at least set them between 769 and 867 or later, because then you'll have more information and less fantasy cultures that never become anything close to what you'll find in history. Having an early Muslim world where just one bad military conquest and you never get Islamic middle east sounds really boring to me.

I don't, I'm just pointing out that the mohammed thing is not what's making it a bad idea. The character dynastic feudel model of CK is what makes earlier start dates, and in my opinion 769 and 867 too, unsuitable for cursader kings.

I would very much more like the timeframe pushed forward until the reign of charles V. Extending the overlap with EU4. There are a lot of aspects of that era that are left unexplored by EU4 that crusader kings more character driven approach would be much better at exploring.

 

[famaouz]

4. Further east, it's a completely different story. The descendants of Rurik have expand across eastern Europe and have even adopted many slavic traditions. However, one day King Vladimir the Great decides that it's time to abandon Slavic paganism in favor of one of the neighboring faiths(Judaism, Sunni Islam and Orthodox Christianity).

TIL that Volga Bulgarians (in nowadays Russia) were Muslims in 900s, interesting...