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CK2 Dev Diary #63: In the Emperor's Good Graces

Greetings!

Today I would like to talk to you about some of the ways you can gain the Grace of the Emperor, and ways in which you can use it to your advantage! To interact with China you must be within their diplomatic range - which extends throughout the entire Silk Road, and through the influence of the Western Protectorate and any Tributaries China might have. When you are within diplomatic range you have the options to Pay Tribute and Ask for Boons.

Paying Tribute to the Emperor will get you in their good Graces, giving you the option of asking for Boons. While the first thing that comes to mind would be to become an actual Tributary State to China, there are more ways to earn Grace. Of course, being a Tributary State is one of the most effective ways to earn the Emperors good Grace - having the Emperor like you more for each month you stay a Tributary State - though you have to give up a significant portion of your Wealth and Levy Regain rate. As China prefers their Tributaries to keep paying Tribute to them, they are willing to defend their Tributaries from outside threats - Tributary States will have the option of summoning a regiment of Chinese forces when they are under attack. When playing as a small realm in the Tarim Basin, for example, it is very prudent to become a Chinese Tributary as they will help you fend off ravenous Nomads and expansionist Tibetans alike.
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Not everyone will have the opportunity (or want to give up their sovereignty) to become a Tributary State though, in that case there are other things you can do to earn the Emperor’s good Grace. The two most common things the Emperor requires are more Concubines for the harem and more Eunuchs for the administration. If you are able to find characters that suit either role, you will be able to send them off as Tribute. These characters will most often have to be your close relatives, making the choice whether to send them away or not more tactical (perhaps you’d rather keep your daughter for forming a local alliance, or keep your third son as a backup in case your first two sons bite the dust). Note that you won’t be able to send off characters that stand to inherit titles. The selection of a suitable character is made by executing a new type of ‘third party character’ decision, as can be seen in this screenshot:
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There are also other things you can do to gain the Grace of the Emperor, I won’t go into too much detail, but they include things such as: Offering a Court Physician when China is suffering a Plague, sending Relief while China is suffering a Famine, sending Artifacts or Gold, and more.

Any Grace you’ve earned will persist as long as the same Dynasty sits on the throne in China - Civil Wars and Invasions might result in a new Dynasty taking the Dragon Throne, making you lose any grace you’ve accumulated. Fortunately the Dynasty changes seldomly, and you get ample warning before it happens (so that you get a chance to leverage the Grace you’ve accumulated with the current Dynasty).

Emperors, like most characters in CK2, have their own personalities. This is characterized through the Emperor’s likes and dislikes - if the Emperor favors Buddhists you will find it more rewarding to both be a Buddhist yourself, and to send the Emperor Buddhists as tribute. The opposite is true for being disliked by the Emperor - with the additional threat that they might, just might, treat you as a priority target should they become expansionist!

Now on to using Grace - if you’ve sent enough Tribute to the Emperor you will be able to request Boons. Boons are generally very powerful, and come in many flavors - I won’t go through all of them in this DD, but here are a select few:

Request Peace Deal - The most basic of all Boons, having an active Peace Deal will prevent China from ever targeting you with wars. It is very cheap to get one and, unless you’re taking a risk by saving up for something costly, you should usually be able to afford one. A Peace Deal lasts for a long time, and also persists through multiple characters should the one who requested it die. In addition to preventing the wrath of China, it also gives quite a bit of passive prestige. Do note that if China is in an Expansionist phase they might not want to hand out any Peace Deals, so get them while you can…

Request Strategist - This Boon has a character trained in Chinese Strategy join your court. This character is both a competent commander by himself, but will given time also train your existing commanders in the art of Chinese warfare. This is represented by special Commander Traits with very powerful bonuses.

Request Master Engineer - This Boon has a masterful Chinese Engineer join your court. For as long as this character stays employed, he will improve your demesne with powerful province modifiers - Blast Furnaces, Paper Mills, Fireworks Guilds and other wondrous things. These modifiers tend to help you advance in Military and Economic technology.

Request Imperial Marriage - The Emperor has many daughters (and in the case of female rulers, cousins and kinsmen) and if you stand in their good Graces you might be allowed to have you or one of your children marry one of them! Such a marriage is not only very prestigious, because a princess doesn’t leave China alone - along with her she will bring a regiment of Honor Guards that you can call upon at will. Unlike the troops you can call upon from being a Chinese Tributary State these Honor Guards can also be used in offensive wars - giving you an edge in warfare. An Imperial Marriage also sets a Peace Deal in place.
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Request Invasion - This is the most costly Boon of them all, and will be a challenge just to gain enough Grace for - if there is a realm that has grown too large and powerful for their own good, you can suggest that China invades them with the sole purpose of dismantling their realm. Of course, it might not be very likely that China would succeed in taking down a distant Empire (i.e. Byzantium) and there is no absolute guarantee that they will win regardless. If you are independent you can choose to join in the war yourself, which is especially useful if you really want the war to succeed. Having Peace Deals with China will protect characters from Requested Invasions and normal invasions alike.

There are plenty of other things you can request; Scholar-Bureaucrats, Siege Engineers, Chinese Artifacts, Silk Road Trade Contracts and more - but I won’t go into more detail in this DD!

Finally I’d like to say that many of these features will be controllable by Game Rules. If you want to disable the Diplomatic Range of China and gain Grace as a count in Ireland you will be able to do so - the same if you do not wish to have China launch any invasions, along with many other things. And as always, if you have any ideas/questions/concerns for Game Rules relating to the features presented in the DD, feel free to suggest them here!
 
Marco Polo TV series isn't remotely historically accurate. The Pope never attempted to invade Mongolia. Catholic-Mongol relations were generally friendly until the Mongols converted to Islam, and even then, they tended to find common cause against the Turks.

The invasion was supposed to overthrow the Khan of Khan and give it to Nayan at least on the show. Not to "invade mongolia".

I wouldn't know about historically accuracy one way or another.
 
So during most CKII time frame if you are in position to cause enough trouble to China, the Heavenly Emperor can be persuaded to pay tribute as long as it's not called a "tribute".

I fully agree. Thanks for the informative reply!
 
That's all nice and all but what can I do to china? Can I send people there to sabotage them stir up chaos or even murder the emperor? Can I depose a dangerously competent emperor to get his much less dangerous heir in charge?
so that you get a chance to leverage the Grace you’ve accumulated with the current Dynasty.
Will that cause the collapse to hasten, also it would be cool if the value of the bonus is dependent on how powerful the emperor was when you requested it, Sort of a stock market crash deal everyone tries to cash in at the same time take a little bump and makes it into a major thing. A moment of weakness have every chinese tributary making demands of the emperor.
 
I'd love to know a bit more about how the Emperor's family tree works. Are the princesses generated by event? Do they get genetics normally? Can you see their parentage? Do you get imperial grandchildren through your daughters sent over as tribute?
 
The invasion was supposed to overthrow the Khan of Khan and give it to Nayan at least on the show. Not to "invade mongolia".

I wouldn't know about historically accuracy one way or another.
There is some doubt to whether or not the actual writings of Marco Polo were accurate ;) But the series is very inaccurate and as amusing and entertaining as it might be, post-colonial orientalist at its core. For historical discussions as useful as A Game of Thrones ;)
 
There is some doubt to whether or not the actual writings of Marco Polo were accurate ;) But the series is very inaccurate and as amusing and entertaining as it might be, post-colonial orientalist at its core. For historical discussions as useful as A Game of Thrones ;)

Well you can say the exact thing about Satanism and cult!

My point is mostly focused on diplomatic range and China. How much a reach they will have in-game? As opposite having China and Pope going to war with each other just because!
 
Probably not, but there's no evidence of magical satanic and hermetic powers either.
- its not the same, not to mention that satanists and magic can be switched off, same with womens laws. In my opinion it would be better to just allow to send anyone of your relatives as a tribute regardless of their sex. After all, chinese empress can just marry her son to my daughter, just like chinese emperor can marry my son to one of his daughters. In other words they could work as noble hostages of some sort, a rather common practice of that time.
 
There is some doubt to whether or not the actual writings of Marco Polo were accurate ;) But the series is very inaccurate and as amusing and entertaining as it might be, post-colonial orientalist at its core. For historical discussions as useful as A Game of Thrones ;)

While it is fictional, it's not impossible. I hope there is an event chain for a " Marco Polo" character to discover China. News could come back to Rome and some actions could be taken like opening a trade route or sending an ambassador depending on Chinese policy.
 
Not everyone will have the opportunity (or want to give up their sovereignty) to become a Tributary State though, in that case there are other things you can do to earn the Emperor’s good Grace. The two most common things the Emperor requires are more Concubines for the harem and more Eunuchs for the administration. If you are able to find characters that suit either role, you will be able to send them off as Tribute. These characters will most often have to be your close relatives, making the choice whether to send them away or not more tactical (perhaps you’d rather keep your daughter for forming a local alliance, or keep your third son as a backup in case your first two sons bite the dust).
Where did the "send relatives to be eunuchs" part come from? I can't find any real life inspiration of this practice. I can find cases of amiable foreign nobles serving in the Chinese court (as men) and defeated foreign nobility being castrated, but never what you're planning to do.
 
Persia is now officially the most interesting part of the map to play.
Also, Greco-Chinese wars sound like fun! :p
That depends on how long your silk road is , mine has been extended to constantinople. I'm actually going to mod it to extend to venice genoa and rome too.

entire Silk Road
so a lord of trebizond can send someone to Tang?
Why not the romans sent an ambassador to china. Marco polo went there from venice.

IIRC some Persian Zoroastrian rulers really disliked impostors, maybe Mazdan characters who make an imperial marriage should have a chance to get special events where they discover their heqin isn't a "real" princess and have to make a hard choice.
IS there some story here that I don't know about?

An important point. Dumping your Inbred Lunatic family members on the Emperor should probably annoy him (to put it mildly) whereas sending a Genius with a top education trait would be well-received. Obviously not all traits should matter but a few of them would be downright insulting.
No no no don' tell them I plan on sending all my inbred princesses to china for my next persia run.

Besides actual Chinese military and economic supremacy which would give even the historical Roman Empire a ton of problems, the mindset and cultural values of dynastic China could "never" allow them to do such a thing - even as late as the Qing regime they refused to bend down, even to superior forces.
China was much more powerful in the time of the roman empire than it was in most of the CK2 timefram. Yes the Tang were powerful, the Yuan were powerful (but not quite chinese) and the Ming were also powerful (though barely in the games timeframe). But the song who rule for most of the game's era really wasn't. Donöt get me wrong the song was a golden age in some ways but not in power projection and military might.

As such, I do not see how the Son of Heaven, ruling the greatest city on Earth at the Middle Kingdom, heart of the universe, would ever consider sending tribute to anyone, however how powerful.
Except he did, plenty of times. Heck you see a barbarian invader ascending the imperial throne in this era.

EDIT: Some people pointed out that the Emperor did agree to send "tribute" to barbarian hordes. However, most if not all of these tributes were given by provincial governors, not the Emperor himself. Anyway, I agree it can be a possibility, specially since CK2 is also a work of alternative history.
So he sent it through intermediaries? Well those intermediaries aren't in the game. Also there were several times ij the time frame of the game when the emperor was effectively paying tribute to other "chinese" powers. To some extent leading to confusion in which one of the local dynasties is to be considered the Chinese emperor. The one who officially held the title of the one who were the real power in the region?


To reduce frustration you will only be able to send characters the Emperor would accept, not that he's always that thrilled - but it's the thought that counts, right?
No! I wanted to get rid of all my inbred zoroastrian family members. I dont't care if he beheads them the moment they arrive.

you will be able to view the title history of China proper.
Eh and how will that deal with periods when there is more than one person claiming to be emperor?

Still wait for Germanic artefacts
There are germanic artifacts in the game, they're stupid but they're there.

Wonder if the Aztecs will get these features
Would be awesome but no they won't, it is very uncommon for paradox to go back and redo old dlc features.

What if when China in ruled by a woman? Will she have own a "reverse harem"?
Perhaps a harem for her brothers and sons?

She might prefer that you send her male tribute
Oh... will there be male emperors who prefer to be sent strapping young lads?

Wow, Chinese portrait is unexpectedly beautiful. Of course, I like adding new portraits, but how about revising existing portraits? For exmple...French.
Or even more arabs.

Thick or thin how dare you question the beauty of the Imperial Princess! The Emperor will have your head for that!
Oh please let there be a special event options if the princess has bad ditherer traits where we send her back saying no sorry but your princes is not to our liking for x reason, and piss off the emperor by doing that.
E.g
"Sorry but your daughter is ugly."
"Sorry but she's kind of a moron."
"She stutters!"


- Will the Emperor/Empress of China pay attention to what happens to their daughters/kins(wo)men after they are married off? For example, if we decide that the Chinese wife we got isn't all that good and fail to be discreet when trying to arrange an unfortunate accident, will China get upset and potentially refuse further Boons for that character?
Would be awesome. How about if you cheat on the imperial princess?

Marco Polo TV series isn't remotely historically accurate. The Pope never attempted to invade Mongolia. Catholic-Mongol relations were generally friendly until the Mongols converted to Islam, and even then, they tended to find common cause against the Turks.
There were times when the mongols were considered greater threats than the turks. Also a bit hard to draw a form line between what is a turk and what is a mongol. Unless you mean the ottomans but then they are almost out of the game's timeframe.

Probably not, but there's no evidence of magical satanic and hermetic powers either.
You can't keep using previous unrealistic content to justify more unrealistic content then use that to justify more unrealistic content. Most of us opposed the addition of these things just like oppose unrealistic stuff in this game.
 
It's slightly more historically accurate than CW's Reign.

I don't get why you are still focus on historically accurate of a show relative to each other.

Especially since my original post was and still is about China Diplomat range in-game.
 
In reality only the East Asian nations were Mahayana. Vajrayana in Southeast Asia, and Theravada everywhere else.
That's not correct. In reality the denominations in various locations would be fairly mixed, but generally: eastern Afghanistan/northwest India was Mahayana, northeast India was a mix of Mahayana and Vajrayana, Tibet was Vajrayana, South East Asia was Hindu-(Mahayana) Buddhist before its Theravada-isation, Sri Lanka Theravada, and East Asia a mixture of Mahayana and Vajrayana.