CK2 Dev Diary #83 - God Wills It!

[Groogy]

Not all heroes wear capes

 

[Snow Crystal]

Currently ?!?!!!1!!1!!

It was a diplomatic way of saying no

 

[Snow Crystal]

Also random thought, but is it possible for a crusade to be cancelled before it even starts if the attackers are sufficiently weaker than the defenders? Say either because the attacking religion cannot muster a large enough force to attack the target or because the defenders commit too large a force against them?

Seems it hasn't been mentioned in the DD, but this is very much the case. If the Pope can't muster together 75% of the Defenders Strength, it is considered a failure and will be canceled before it begins.

1) When the current Crusader King/Queen dies will the heir/player get the trait as well to signify their ownership of a Crusader Kingdom?
2) Will the separate Crusader Duchies get that trait or not as they are only Dukes? Or are there more than 1 new unique crusader trait?
3) If there are 4 successful regular (non-special) crusades during a game will there be 4 people with the Crusader King/Queen trait?
4) It was stated that the Crusader Kingdom gets 10% of the warchest and 2 artifacts. Does the 10% include the additional artifact assigning as well or is it solely those 2 artifacts?
5) Will there be repeated/destroyed artifacts if I give my beneficiary artifacts prior to him/her becoming the Crusader King/Queen? Meaning if I give him a saints finger, a nail from the cross, and the holy prepuce will those new 2 artifacts have the potential to be worthless as they were randomly picked to be a nail and prepuce?
6) Will the Crusader Kingdom ever be allowed to be a Crusader Empire or will it just default into a regular empire with no special mechanics? (Forming Arabia or custom empire as Jerusalem for example)
7) What Crown Authority will the Crusader Kingdom start on? Low/Medium since all the vassals are Catholic/part of the same war?
8) Will these Crusader States have any events pop up after the crusades? Gameplay events such as increased revolt risk due to religious differences or just flavor events such as the Pope writing a letter to check in on your Holy Kingdom?
9) Tied to the above question, any special interactions or things you can do after being made Crusader King/Queen? Call for further invasion of Muslim lads? Petition help from your fellow Catholics or even the Orthodox/Coptic due to a Jihad/Holy War?

1. It is not inherited, so as soon as the original ruler dies, the trait disappears as well.
2. They will get the normal Crusader trait.
3. If all of the original owners still lived, yeah, though I highly doubt that would happen.
4. Solely those 2 artifacts. The artifact distribution is a bit different than the rest of the War Chest.
5. If I recall correctly, it should be rare, but possible. I don't think it would end up being an issue you'd see often.
6. Nothing to discuss yet on this one.
7. If you use Conclave, you will get Regulated inheritance and Late Feudal Administration, if you aren't you will get High Crown Authority.
8. There is currently no flavor events added post-Crusades for these states.
9. Same as 8.

 

[Snow Crystal]

1. So the winner´s choosen one becomes "King/Queen of Crusader State of Jerusalem". How long will this be a crusader state? Is that tied to the special trait and the heir is instead "King/Queen of Kingdom of Jerusalem"?
2. How is the land divided? Does my choosen one geet a bigger part if participation is very different? IE, does outcome differ if I get partipication score of 50% and no 2 is 25% pr if I win only by a single pecent?
3. How many participants get a share? I mean, there can be hundreds, providing close to nothing.
4. What happens if my ruler dies in combat in the holy land? Same as today?
5. What happens if I´m low on Kinsmen/women?

1. The Crusader Kingdom isn't functionally different to a normal Kingdom. Most of the effects happen the moment it is created (see refilled holdings, special trait for the King/Queen, removed holding penalties etc).
2. The land is divided based on participation score. Meaning the most participating Crusader have their Beneficiary receive the Kingdom, the second best probably have their Beneficiary get a Duchy, etc. So there is definitely value in being number 2 and 3 as well.
3. The War Chest will be divided up among everyone participating based on participation score, the Crusader Kingdom will be divided up until there is no more provinces left to divide among the participants.
4. Same as today.
5. If the ruler have no Beneficiary, they will functionally work like you are taking the Kingdom for yourself. So if you are low on kinsmen, that is potentially the outcome.

 

[Snow Crystal]

1. My question was only regarding the name - did I get it correctly that it will be created as "Crusader State of" and not as "Kingdom of" and will it at some point be reverted to "Kingdom of"? Thanks for the other details!
2. I understund, you can allways expect one county only then, as long as there are more participants than counties in the target kingdom? If there are 5 de jure duchies in the target kingdom, am I gurantied to get a duchy for my choosen one of I end up top 6(where no 1 get the kingdom)?

The kingdom is ursurped, I understund, but how about duchies? What if the Emir of Jerusalem would have survived outside kingdom of jerusalem borders, is that title ururped and distirubuted? Is uncreated duchies inside the realm allways created?

1. At the moment it is simply "Kingdom of".
2. If I understood your question correctly, then yes.
3. I believe they grab the Duchy title from the Emir in that specific case, if he is a vassal of the Crusade target, but he keeps the other titles outside of the borders. All Duchy titles should be created and distributed.

 

[Snow Crystal]

Looks sweet. What happens if I set my stance as selfish but I am not the top contributor or have no beneficiary. Say I am a king of france but only had enough contribution to get a duchy. Will I get the duchy for myself under my French kingdom? Or can you not be awarded it unless you have a suitable beneficiary selected?

You will only be able to take it for yourself, if you are the top contributor.

 

[Snow Crystal]

So does this mean that you risk losing artifacts by joining a crusade?

No? The worst case scenario is that you can get a copy of an artifact you already have, in very rare cases, but you shouldn't ever lose any artifacts by partaking in Crusades.

Oh I missed that bit, makes sense that only top contributor can have a stance.

What happens if I have high contribution and no beneficiary, will I get more rewards to compensate for the fact that I cannot get any lands in the crusader Kingdom?

Nope, you will just receive your share of the War Chest.

 

[Snow Crystal]

So unlike provinces the baronies aren't going to be distributed among crusaders as separate entities, if I understood correctly, are they? Why so? Will it be possible to mod?

I'd say CKII already is somewhat unfair to baronies, they are effectively non-autonomous part of the higher titles.

Oh, my apologies, I should've phrased it clearer. As long as there is no titles left to distribute, I guess would be a better way of phrasing it. It will in-fact give out baronies as well, if there is enough participants that deserves titles.

 

[Snow Crystal]

And what is the conditions to "deserve" a barony? Will also bishoperics and cities be distributed this way?

It will distribute the Kingdom title, then the Duchies, then the Counties. And if there are still more participants with beneficiaries, it will start cycling through the Castle baronies. Bishoprics and Cities will not be given out to beneficiaries.

 

[Snow Crystal]

They go to the dejure count? Or to the king?

Characters created that will be vassals of the beneficiary who gets the County.

 

[Snow Crystal]

But it doesn't matter if you come second by a hair's breadth or a mile as long as you're between 1 and 3? Or are you more likely to receive multiple duchies or something (for your mook) or additional moneys/relics or something if you're second with 40% participation than second with 10%?

I´ve struggled with formailizing this question too. "Does the contibution score matter or does only the sequence matter?" I think

The sequence matters for the distribution of the titles, the participation score matters for the distribution of the War Chest.

 

[Snow Crystal]

Probably feudal, nobility is higher then burgher, so why would your beneficiary want a republic ?

And why would you want them to be a republic anyway, that just more competition.

But if you earn the top title for yourself it just become part of the republic I would guess.

This is pretty spot on, yes.

 

[Snow Crystal]

A further thought, if you're a duke-tier republic who is the biggest contributor and claim it for yourself, do you stay a republic (now king-tier), or does it switch you to a feudal king?

They will continue being a Merchant Republic, now king-tier.

@Snow Crystal, will there be any negatives in joining Crusades?

Well, not outright? It is like all wars, it will take time and resources, so that could be a negative if there are other bad circumstances, I guess, but we have tried to make Crusades into an event that you want to take part in.

 

[Snow Crystal]

I could be wrong, but I read it that as if your intended beneficiary won land you could swap to them.

No, it is very specifically if you are the most participating Crusader this happens. Though there seems to be a lot of people who would like to open the opportunity for lower tier beneficiaries as well.

 

[Snow Crystal]

Is is a big deal to do this? What would stop you from including lower beneficiaries in this event?

After seeing the responses to it, we have discussed the topic internally. We will add it for lower tier beneficiaries as well.

 

[Snow Crystal]

@Snow Crystal

Does this change also affects the Holy Orders? For example, sometimes the Grand Masters would join the Crusade and help with the fighting.

So if a Holy Order participates enough, can they win the Kingdom? What happens? It'd be strange to see, say, the Teutonic Order vassalising the Templars & Hospitallars.

Thanks.

The Holy Order, in the weird scenarios where they are the most participating members of the Crusade and there is no Official Papal Recipient, will find another person they like and give it to his/her beneficiary instead. The idea is that the Holy Orders fight for faith's sake, whereas rulers need some rewards to push them along, which is why the Holy Orders don't take any parts of the War Chest either.

 

[Snow Crystal]

The question would be if these states are exclusivley created by beneficiaries - or if they could be established under authority of a regular participant. If it's the first option, I would love to see the same switch-over possibilty as for the main-target.

You will be able to switch to the guys / gals who get the dynamic Crusader States as well.