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Dev Diary #162 - Steppe by Steppe

Note: You can listen to today's Dev Diary here!

Өглөөний мэнд!

I am here to welcome you to a special kind of Development Diary – It's the first of a series, but the rest will come later and not in the following weeks. We're working on a comprehensive system for the Nomads of the Steppe, and while we are knee-deep in the production of the expansion, we still want to introduce you to the features as soon as possible, with the aim of collecting feedback and acting on it during our approaching iteration phase.

For that reason we are showing screenshots earlier than usual, so do keep in mind that all shown here is still a work in progress.

Therefore, some small caveats:
  • Layouts, visuals, and other aspects of the UI may change as we continue to refine these systems.
  • The map set up is also not final and we are open to feedback.
  • All values and numbers are still subject to balancing, and some of them are mere placeholders while we work on the features.
  • This is an overview of the next DLC. The following Dev Diaries will go more in depth about all features at a later date – we need time to act on the feedback we get from you, so dev diaries for this update will not be releasing weekly just yet.



Nomadic Government

At the core of this update lies the new Nomadic Government. This new government type is heavily inspired by the rulers of the Eurasian Steppe, and puts a heavy emphasis on herd, might, and land.

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[Initial distribution in 1178.]

But what do we mean by that?

Herd

Your cattle and horses are represented by a new currency only available to Nomads called "Herd". In the Steppe, Herd is incredibly valuable and plays a big role in how other Nomads perceive you: it can be used for ransoming, dowry, bribes and even be stolen via a scheme or raiding. It controls who the Cultural Head is and serves as a gate for increasing Dominance (we will talk more about this later in this Diary).

Herd is obtained both through the land by exploiting its Fertility and through your Nomadic subjects via their contracts, since Nomads don't have a stable income. We will talk more in depth about this in the "Land" section below.

One of the main changes when it comes to Nomads is that they do not use levies. Instead, they transform a percentage of their Herd into Horde Riders.

Horde Riders are the most basic type of Men-at-Arms that Nomads have access to. However, these Riders can be then upgraded to better MAAs types, such as Horse Archers, for a cost of gold. These numbers don't come from a vacuum, however; if I want to create 100 Horse Archers, then I will lose 100 Horde Riders as they are converted into the new unit.

Basic Horde Riders don't have an associated maintenance cost, but the other MAAs do in the form of monthly prestige.

We've opted for this change because warring was an essential part of the Steppe life, and levies did not exist per se, as every able warrior would be called when the time was needed. From a more mechanical standpoint, we wanted Nomads to have fewer, but stronger and more significant, MAAs.

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The percentage depicted in the screenshot above represents what percentage of your Herd can be converted into Horde, as not all of them are mounts suitable for war. This percentage can be affected by yurt buildings, dynasty perks, character modifiers and other factors.

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[Extremely WIP, we are aware of some issues like the Maintenance cost not being displayed]

To reflect the importance of your people, the names on a Nomadic map are also different from our regular naming conventions. It is the Borjigin Mongols that move across the map, not the Duchy of Örgöö.

The Cultural Head gets to take the cultural name (The Mongols), while the smaller rulers have a combination of their House Name + Culture (The Borjigin Mongols). To better reflect the dynamics of the Steppe, we have also changed the way that the Cultural Head is selected in Nomadic governments: the ruler with the biggest Herd becomes the Head instead, independently of their title.

The names on the map, as well as this naming convention using culture are still work in progress, and we are open to hear your suggestions.

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[Note that we may remove the "The" to make the titles more readable.]



Might

In the Steppe, might makes right. Titles are not as important as actual strength, and to reflect this we've made a series of changes that only affect Nomads.

Nomadic rulers have access to Dominance, a measurement of their perceived power. Low Dominance implies a relatively insignificant chieftain, while the maximum Dominance represents the rise of Genghis Khan.

Dominance is a fixed scale, a mountain that Nomads have to climb, with each level being a hard-achieved goal that each ruler must work towards. Only those who have a Herd of a significant enough size are allowed to reach the next level.

Dominance affects things such as Vassal and Domain limits, with the lower levels having a very reduced number of both, but with higher levels offering impressive bonuses. Dominance also governs the tiers that you are allowed to target during your migration (more on this in "Land"), access to special Men-at-Arms, title and vassal revocation, settlement outside of the Steppe, flavourful decisions and more.

Obedience

You'll need loyal followers if you're going to take over the world – and it does not matter by what means you've ensured their loyalty.

Obedience is a binary state – either you are obedient or not. Every character that's a subject or courtier has Obedience towards their overlord. Obedience works as a threshold; if a character is below the threshold then they will be unruly, plotting against their overlord or just having general acceptance maluses to various interactions. However, if a character is above the threshold then they will not form factions, start hostile schemes against their liege, and – more importantly – will take their side during the Kurultai succession by voting for whichever heir was your preferred one. The Kurultai is formed by special members of your Council, and having them on your side is extremely important for Nomads.

Obedience is calculated based on several parameters like the relationship with the other character, friendship, their traits and whether you have granted them a Kurultai or Court Position.

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Land

Nomads grow their Herd by extracting Fertility from the land. Thus, migrating becomes an important part of their loop in the early stages of the game, when their realms are not big enough to accommodate the horde.

County Fertility is calculated primarily based on the terrain type. Nomads deplete Fertility of the counties they hold until it stabilises at a fixed number where the Herd can be maintained. This number is mostly affected by the domain size, but Stewardship, dynasty perks, yurt buildings and other character modifiers can affect it.

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Migration

When the Domain Fertility is depleted, it's time to migrate.

Migration targets de jure titles, and the available title tiers you can target depend on your level of Dominance. A Nomadic ruler of Dominance level 2 can only target counties and duchies, whereas someone with level 3 can target kingdoms as well.

This means that smaller rulers should migrate frequently, either find abandoned lands occupied by Herders, or subjugate themselves before bigger rulers. Bigger rulers in the Steppe should, on the other hand, adopt a more sedentary way of life and demand Obedience and Tribute from rulers in their sphere.

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[This panel is subject to reorganizations and reworks.]

The migration screen allows you to negotiate with the local rulers. If two or more independent rulers occupy the same de jure territory, then the ruler with the highest Herd leads the negotiations with you. You can use gold, herd, or a hook to bribe them, and their acceptance depends on their relationship with you, your Dominance level relative to theirs, your Prestige, Prowess, Herd size, their traits, and other minor factors.

If they accept, you will start a travel plan that will take you and your herd to the desired location. If the location had already been suggested by perhaps a courtier you may get some extra bonuses for following the desires of your people.

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However, many nomads may refuse to give up their lands, especially if they have a high level of Dominance and find themselves pretty comfortable where they are. In those cases, one must resort to war.

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[Total soldiers aren't being calculated in this screenshot. Keep in mind that this is from a development build!]

Migration wars allow the attacker to take the lands by means of force.

The targeted ruler will be either displaced to their other lands if they hold any titles outside of the de jure, or be made landless – similar to Administrative Noble Families or Adventurers. While landless, Nomads keep their yurts and upgrades but can't grow their Herd due to the lack of stable access to Fertility. They roam the Steppe in search of a new place to set up their tents.

No matter how you choose to migrate, your Obedient vassals will follow you, while non obedient ones will keep their titles and lands and stay where they were. The lands that you leave behind will be occupied by someone else entirely…

Herders

Nomads are not the only rulers that inhabit the Steppe. A new unplayable government type called "Herder" populates the map with shepherds that wander small counties. Herders replenish Fertility over time, and are extremely easy to displace, given their lack of armies. They are the ones occupying those counties left behind by migrations.

Having a Herder as a subject is still possible, however, and they will pay a small, fixed rate of herd based on their county's fertility.

One may also choose to voluntarily abandon one of their counties to a local herder, in the hopes that they will replenish Fertility quick enough for them to seize it back. The Steppe is not merciful, however, and another Nomad ruler may be faster than you.

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[We indeed have several sheep variations.]



The Great Steppe

Life in the Steppe is not easy, and being at the mercy of the weather and pasture quality is something that nomads have had to adjust to since time immemorial (up to this day, in fact). To reflect this, we've created a seasonal system that governs the general climate of the steppe.

The Great Steppe is divided into three subregions: Western, Central and Eastern, each of them with their own season.

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[Another very WIP screenshot, artpass pending.]

Seasons affect the Fertility of the subregion, as a White Zud creates a thick layer of snow that prevents the animals from grazing, while a more moderate and warm weather offers the perfect climate for pastoring.

That’s not the only effect they have though, as different seasons also change the general mood within Nomads. If a ruler extorts their vassals for Herd during an Abundant Grazing season, then they will receive more than usual, and a Severe Drought will promote characters to migrate even more than usual.

The two special and rare seasons of Havsarsan Zud and the Blessing of the Blue Sky explore these effects even further, with the Blessing amply increasing the Fertility of the subregion and the terrible Havsarsan Zud allowing rulers to take a desperate stance, making all of their subjects obedient and getting an invasion CB on settled people. One of the academic reasons given for the Mongolian Invasion is, after all, the lack of pasture in the Steppe at that point in time.

Your Stargazer can also help predict the next season depending on their aptitude. More on this in upcoming diaries!

The Gurkhan

Only one character in the entire Steppe can go on to the highest level of Dominance and become the Greatest of Khans, but we will provide you with tools to stop them.

The Gurkhan is whoever has the largest Herd within the Great Steppe. They are on their way to reach the highest Dominance and are a threat to all. Confederations may form to target them, while hostile scheming and wars may target them more frequently, and the Gurkhan will have to prove that they deserve their seat.



Your Yurt

Nomads have no buildings. Whatever they build is carried with them when they migrate. To represent this, Nomadic Holdings cannot have any other buildings than some basic corrals, but in turn they have access to a new domicile type: the Yurt Settlement.

Yurt Settlements have a main yurt that can be upgraded internally, and several other specialised buildings that give upgrades to pasture management, warfare, diplomacy, raiding, and more.

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[Names and art are not final]

Tributaries

During this Development Diary, you may have observed my careful use of "Subject" instead of "Vassal", and here is the reason why.

Tributaries are a new and looser type of subject introduced with this expansion. Nomadic Tributaries specifically have some unique qualities to them.

The Tributary Contract governs the levels of Obligations (or Tribute) that they may pay to their Suzerain. While the tribute is being, sent all is well and a truce is held between the two of them. The tributary relationship is even inherited across generations.

However, tributaries may become unruly over time, and if the suzerain doesn't look that threatening to them then they may eventually opt to stop paying tribute. To bring them back into the fold, a former suzerain can bring them back under tribute by force, pacifying them and extracting both resources and prestige to a greater extent.

Nomadic Tributaries offer a payment in herd, while settled tributaries give gold to their Nomadic suzerains.

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[Art and map visualization are still in progress.]

Tributaries can be obtained through a Character Interaction to Demand Tribute or through a Casus Belli. A ruler may also voluntarily offer themselves as Tribute to a Nomadic Ruler to ensure that their lands are spared from destruction.

As with the other features covered in this dev diary, we will do a deep dive on the Tributary system at a later date.

Confederations

With the rise of all these powerful and dangerous khans in the Steppe, lower-tier Nomadic rulers may decide to band together against a bigger enemy through forming a Confederation.

For those in a Confederation, an assault on one member is an affront against all members, so everyone in a Confederation joins defensive wars being fought by fellow members. This potent defensive power is balanced against checks on expansion: as long as they belong to their Confederation, members cannot increase their Dominance or create new titles.

Raid Intents

Raiding is one of the main ways Nomads have to get access to Gold. Given the importance that raiding had in their society, we have decided to expand this feature by adding Raid Intents.

A Raid Intent allows to set a desired outcome of the raiding: you may want to raid to capture interesting characters, steal your neighbors' cattle, or simply burn their property to the ground.

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[Art and names are placeholder, so are the intents themselves as we may change or tweak them.]

Some of the Raid Intents will also be available for Tribal characters, while others need specific Nomadic unlocks.

Nomadic Flavor

Lastly, we are adding a number of new Character Interactions, Decisions, Activity Types, a new Vassal Stance, Events, and more focused on unique Nomadic flavour. Genghis Khan's famous storyline and Mongolian specific events will, of course, also make an appearance.

Expect to see a Kurultai, Blood Brotherhoods, Paizas and Kublai Khan's famous Pleasure Dome. More on this to come.

There are many things that we have left out of this Diary because our focus is on the main mechanical features introduced with this expansion, but we will come back to all of this in more detail in the future.

Thanks for reading. We are eagerly awaiting your thoughts and feedback.
 
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CK3 future DLC : Nomads No Steppes Back
 
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Is there a decision or some kind of way that non-nomadic tribal culture&rulers can be a nomad if they are in steppe region? Yeah this is might be unhistorical, but there will be fun if player can make "viking horse lords"
 
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In the spirit of adding other regions suited for nomadic lifestyle (e.g.: the mentioned "Sahara region"): Pls consider making the Anatolian plateau such a region as well as parts of today's Azerbaijan. Especially the latter worked as a corridor through which Turkic nomads, who left the "Great Steppe" made their way onto the Anatolian plateau around the battle of Manzikert. It's the aftermath of the latter, which led Turkic tribes, which were only loosely controlled by the Seljuks, to spread onto the plateau and wrest it from Byzantine hands.
As PDX has stated, future DLCs should tie in with preceding DLCs and I think this is a golden opportunity to not only expand on possible locations for nomadic gameplay, but also enhance ERE gameplay. The ERE was not only pressed from nomads in the West (Pechenegs, Bolghars, Avars ...), but in the timeframe of CK3 foremost / especially in the East.
 
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What is the idea behind raid intent?

After some thought, if we assume there won't be mechanical changes about how raiding works, it still will be a free roam type of thing I can see it in 2 ways:

A) change events weighting. Raid for innovation would have like 30% more chances to get the "capture skilled slaves" event;

B) buffs to the intent chosen. Raid for captives would have like 50% more chances to capture characters (like what the Norse dynasty legacy does).

If that's the case A doesn't do much of anything and B we really don't need more buffs. So I'm confused if there's any real purpose or is it just flavour?
 
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2. Nomads can only migrate within the Great Steppe. What I mean by this is that the GS is where they can extract Fertility from the land and grow their Herd. They can still, of course, leave the steppe and take over settled lands via a CB. As I mentioned in one of the replies they can hold castle holdings and get taxes from them, but they still cannot build buildings. This does not mean they immediately get switched out of the Nomadic government. They can still stay as a Nomad in counties outside of the Steppe, but their Herd won't grow. Instead, they will get a decision to switch to the government type of the counties they occupy.
The fact that for Nomads outside of the Steppe horde will not grow kinda sucks, ngl. Would it be possible to allow them to grow, but at reduced rate - something like -25% per holding in a county? Maybe allowing razing of the holdings in a county to try and counteract it, just like CK2? And a ceiling on 70% or something, so even if they raze everything they will grow much slower than Great Steppe nomads?
 
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Very interesting DevDiary!
Just to know, since we are talking about "Yurt", something similar will be planned for the future for Clan and Feudal systems (maybe Castle and Tent for example).
 
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This DLC is great news !
I refrained myself to play as Eurasian nomad so far because they did not feel unique and I was expecting this DLC.

I also like that their a hierarchy in steppe.

I am a bit septic about the migration mechanism, I think it must a way to deal with bad climate or improve your standing but not a regular activity. In the recent studies historians pointed that the nomads were not moving anywhere as they please. They are moving between different pastures that was assign to them by higher authorities.
However, a good mechanic come be to ask for better pastures to our liege or to a confederation counsel.
 
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Can't wait~!
It would be great if Chapter 4 includes interactions with out-of-map empires like Jade Dragon in CK2.
 
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This new shiny government type is probably even more overpowered and unbalanced as administrative. It looks like yet another blob mechanic.
What happens if one of these guys gets the conqueror trait 5 years after game start? Mongol invasion in 872?

What i'm missing from this DD is what you're going to do about the many issues the game has. Imbalance, inconsistencies, broken mechanics, broken CB's, bad AI, general boredom after 100 in-game years, etc etc
I actually think this DLC might be the answer to Byz getting unchecked because now Khazaria would probably be strong enough to restrain Byz, I wish they'd do something about Abbassid AI basically useless. And I never had Mongol invasion in 872 (And I always have the game rules for them to be random) and even the one with conqueror traits, they only blob once and then disappeared.

Then again, you do know they already have game rules to remove conqueror trait from the game and even handicap them, right?
 
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2. Nomads can only migrate within the Great Steppe. What I mean by this is that the GS is where they can extract Fertility from the land and grow their Herd. They can still, of course, leave the steppe and take over settled lands via a CB. As I mentioned in one of the replies they can hold castle holdings and get taxes from them, but they still cannot build buildings. This does not mean they immediately get switched out of the Nomadic government. They can still stay as a Nomad in counties outside of the Steppe, but their Herd won't grow. Instead, they will get a decision to switch to the government type of the counties they occupy.
This is kind of lame. Nomads still acted very differently when they conquered other regions of the world outside the steppe. The Magyars or in earlier times the Avars should not stop being nomads as soon as they conquer Hungary, it should take a good long while for them to settle down. And yes I know there's a decision to expand the steppe here, but I feel it may not be enough. Same with conquering and migrating down into Anatolia or Persia. Tribes could still definitely function in ways that were nomadic and fight and organize themselves as nomads long after they conquer settled lands.

Especially since this DLC seems to be so designed around the Mongols, and essentially seems to be intended to deliver the "Genghis Khan" Fantasy to players, your end goal being to conquer the world and then become Feudal or Clan even when Khanates like the Ilkhanate I would argue still kept many "nomad" features(and settled lots of tribes as entire units within their territory) is a bit lame. It should be possible for sure and there should probably be some sort of "Government Tension" feature if you conquer a vast empire where your settled subjects want you to transition to a settled style and move your capital to a proper city while your nomads wish for you to remain nomadic in style and culture. But it should not be like an ultimate necessity.
 
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Then again, you do know they already have game rules to remove conqueror trait from the game and even handicap them, right?
From the context of their entire post they're probably saying overpowered for us the players. AI it's terrible and doesn't play the game or do anything worth mentioning, they're there waiting to be conquered.

Even scourge of the gods with all advantage and MaA buffs are not that hard to be defeated in battle and the only threat is how fast they can siege which it's super lame. It only shows how poorly balanced the game is.
 
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The fact that for Nomads outside of the Steppe horde will not grow kinda sucks, ngl. Would it be possible to allow them to grow, but at reduced rate - something like -25% per holding in a county? Maybe allowing razing of the holdings in a county to try and counteract it, just like CK2? And a ceiling on 70% or something, so even if they raze everything they will grow much slower than Great Steppe nomads?
I totally agree. It would be interesting to reinforce the transitonial experience of a nomadic dinasty that is going to develop a settled state if they can still use reduced fertility outside the GS until they become feudal or clan.
 
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4. We are in talks to add other Nomads in the world as a game rule, as so many people have been requested it. It's a bit more work than what we did for Admin, as we need to create a "Sahara Region" (and more) and set up Fertility there, but it seems likely that it will happen.
This is great news.

One small suggestion and I accept that my understanding of desert nomads is basic, but what if for the likes of the Sahara and Arabian desert regions the resource was "Water" rather than fertility?
 
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The fact that for Nomads outside of the Steppe horde will not grow kinda sucks, ngl. Would it be possible to allow them to grow, but at reduced rate - something like -25% per holding in a county? Maybe allowing razing of the holdings in a county to try and counteract it, just like CK2? And a ceiling on 70% or something, so even if they raze everything they will grow much slower than Great Steppe nomads?
Nomads grow their Herd by extracting Fertility. Allowing Nomads to grow their herd out of the Great Steppe would mean adding Fertility to all counties outside of the steppe too. Fertility is meant to represent Grazing Land, so it has no use outside and it would just contribute to UI bloating for settled governments.

This is kind of lame. Nomads still acted very differently when they conquered other regions of the world outside the steppe. The Magyars or in earlier times the Avars should not stop being nomads as soon as they conquer Hungary, it should take a good long while for them to settle down. And yes I know there's a decision to expand the steppe here, but I feel it may not be enough. Same with conquering and migrating down into Anatolia or Persia. Tribes could still definitely function in ways that were nomadic and fight and organize themselves as nomads long after they conquer settled lands.

Especially since this DLC seems to be so designed around the Mongols, and essentially seems to be intended to deliver the "Genghis Khan" Fantasy to players, your end goal being to conquer the world and then become Feudal or Clan even when Khanates like the Ilkhanate I would argue still kept many "nomad" features(and settled lots of tribes as entire units within their territory) is a bit lame. It should be possible for sure and there should probably be some sort of "Government Tension" feature if you conquer a vast empire where your settled subjects want you to transition to a settled style and move your capital to a proper city while your nomads wish for you to remain nomadic in style and culture. But it should not be like an ultimate necessity.
I want to make something clear. You do not have to switch out of Nomadism as soon as you hold a county outside of the steppe. You can have land inside the steppe that gives you Fertility and therefore Herd, and land outside that gives you some taxes. If you are playing a Genghis Khan type of campaign you will have both things.
If you, however, only own land outside of the steppe it will be hard for you to be a Nomad, even if we don't force you to switch, since you will have no way to grow your herd other than having Nomadic Tributaries (which could still be a viable option).
 
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Gonna repost someone's ideas, but I would be very happy to see ability to destroy castles (downgrade to tribal) using nomads. Well, it would be something very new to see tribal europe, so why can't i ransack and burn it down. If you add this, i think we gonna see very interesting campaigns in reddit :D
 
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4. We are in talks to add other Nomads in the world as a game rule, as so many people have been requested it. It's a bit more work than what we did for Admin, as we need to create a "Sahara Region" (and more) and set up Fertility there, but it seems likely that it will happen.
I will now commit the sin of quoting myself. This part of the post has received certain amount of attention and I want to clearly communicate what we are intending to do. This was in response to someone asking to add them as a Game Rule, same as we did with other Admin realms other than Byzantium. What this does not mean is exclusive or bespoke content, or new seasons available for the regions that would be getting Nomads.

As I mentioned before, this expansion is focused on the Eurasian Steppe, and expanding the scope of that is not possible more than in the form of a game rule and minor tweaks.
 
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