EU4 - Development Diary - 14th of April 2020

[wkscrombie]

Also, with the new Geneva tag, will there by any special/unique event chains for the Reformation?

 

[sprites]

i'm a bit lost here, we have two designs for the empire menu...
one event a bit explained (hansa)
one incident that may fire if protestant side is victorious (maybe we'll see that one on the dev clash? i hope)
and a peasant incident a bit confusion, i don't see the incentive for the emperor to convert HRE states to peasant republics

 

[Philospher]

A Message from our Artist and our UX Designer

A valued and talented team member, our artist, is leaving us today to work on another PDS project. As it was their last day, I asked if there was anything they'd like to share with the community before their departure. This was their response:

Sorry about the leave. I really love UI design :'(

 

[Konigi]

I'm really hype about the new Imperial Incidents mechanics. I find this brings a lot more dynamism into European gameplay, and better reflect how emperors were constantly solicited on every side. God job!

I hope the choices will not all be straightforward, and will have their pros and cons. I am also curious to see what other Peasant Republics there will be, and the new achievements that come with them.

 

[Meshed Gear]

Is the religious league war still required to always be Protestants vs Catholics? The wording of the reformed demands incident seems to indicate that. If the empire is 40% Reformed, 40% Catholic, 20% Protestant then it would feel more natural for the war to be the Catholics vs the Reformed princes. With the Protestants having the chance to make demands of the new Reformed emperor should that side triumph.

And then there are the Hussites. Are they considered Protestants? In that case, are Anglicans going to be considered Protestants for the HRE mechanics as well? Do they have their own opportunity to make religious freedom demands of a new Emperor? If so, will any Christian faith that has spread to a certain amount of the HRE be able to? If the Russians make the Northern German princes Orthodox, English make the lowlands states Anglican, Coptic Ottomans make Austria Coptic, will those faiths be able to demand recognition in the religious wars aftermath? I recall a previous diary where the French wars of religion was updated to allow for other combinations, curious if it is the same case here or not.

 

[RikiBreeiki]

have you fixed the "ghost number humans" bug in the MP i feel bad repeating this once a month

 

[DIMSb]

I would really love to see a decision for Byzantium or even Russia to mend the schism from the Orthodox side if they conquer all 5 of the patriarchys.

 

[Dagda]

Release DLC Groogy. Thanks

 

[korawit13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League#End_of_the_Hansa
I hope the devs will include the option to crush Denmark's kingdom to regain the Sjelland Sound toll because that is an important location for the Hanseatic League and also crush the Hanseatic League [the Dutch republic] for "Decline of the Hanseatic League" What is killing the Hanseatic League historically, the competition and the innovation to get around the middle man guild system.

"A major economic advantage for the Hansa was its control of the shipbuilding market, mainly in Lübeck and in Danzig. The Hansa sold ships everywhere in Europe, including Italy. They drove out the Dutch because Holland wanted to favor Bruges as a huge staple market at the end of a trade route. When the Dutch started to become competitors of the Hansa in shipbuilding, the Hansa tried to stop the flow of shipbuilding technology from Hanseatic towns to Holland. Danzig, a trading partner of Amsterdam, attempted to forestall the decision. Dutch ships sailed to Danzig to take grain from the city directly, to the dismay of Lübeck. Hollanders also circumvented the Hanseatic towns by trading directly with north German princes in non-Hanseatic towns. Dutch freight costs were much lower than those of the Hansa, and the Hansa were excluded as middlemen."

"When Bruges, Antwerp, and Holland all became part of the Duchy of Burgundy they actively tried to take over the monopoly of trade from the Hansa, and the staples market from Bruges was transferred to Amsterdam. The Dutch merchants aggressively challenged the Hansa and met with much success. Hanseatic cities in Prussia, Livonia, supported the Dutch against the core cities of the Hansa in northern Germany. After several naval wars between Burgundy and the Hanseatic fleets, Amsterdam gained the position of leading port for Polish and Baltic grain from the late 15th century onwards. The Dutch regarded Amsterdam's grain trade as the mother of all trades (Moedernegotie)."

"The individual cities making up the league had also started to put self-interest before their common Hanseatic interests. Finally, the political authority of the German princes had started to grow, constraining the independence of the merchants and Hanseatic towns." Just like the EU trading partners if everyone put the collective interest ahead of the national interest, the league will survive.



In Great Peasants' War imperial incident:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants'_War
I hope the reformer nations get the relation boost for the peasant republics:
"The revolt incorporated some principles and rhetoric from the emerging Protestant Reformation, through which the peasants sought to influence and freedom."
Radical Reformers and Anabaptists, most famously Thomas Müntzer, instigated and supported the revolt. In contrast, Martin Luther and other Magisterial Reformers condemned it and clearly sided with the nobles. In Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants, Luther condemned the violence as the devil's work and called for the nobles to put down the rebels like mad dogs.

I hope the religious imperial incidents should be added too!
Luther and Müntzer took every opportunity to attack each other's ideas and actions. Luther himself declared against the moderate demands of the peasantry embodied in the twelve articles.

In the historical context, people can be a saint and devils at the same time.

Some clergy were supported by the nobility and the rich, while others appealed to the masses. The poorer clergy, rural and urban itinerant preachers who were not well-positioned in the church, were more likely to join the Reformation.

The burghers also opposed the clergy, whom they felt had overstepped and failed to uphold their principles. They demanded an end to the clergy's special privileges such as their exemption from taxation, as well as a reduction in their numbers.

Yeah, it affects the estates in-game. I hope there are more events about those Game of Thrones self-interest.

@I see people talking about the HRE and Papacy, that happen in the 1048–1257 [the Investiture Controversy] a dispute over who— pope or emperor— could appoint bishops within the Empire. To maker thing short, the Pope won.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_papacy_(1048–1257)

Weird there are two religious peace treaties [Peace of Augsburg is signed in September 1555 and Peace of Westphalia were signed between May and October 1648.]

 

[grommile]

I would really love to see a decision for Byzantium or even Russia to mend the schism from the Orthodox side if they conquer all 5 of the patriarchys.

Byzantium's mission tree already shuts down the Papacy

It would be nice if it invited Catholic countries to become Orthodox as well, admittedly.

 

[Prince Ire]

I would really love to see a decision for Byzantium or even Russia to mend the schism from the Orthodox side if they conquer all 5 of the patriarchys.

How about something to represent the Eastern Catholic Churches, which are both actually historical and really got going as a concept during EU4's time frame.

 

[Lord Hoosier]

It's normal at Paradox that people move between projects since we have so many projects simultaneously being worked on. I for example while I worked on CK2 was borrowed by EU4 and HOI4 occasionally. I've worked on a lot of our projects and been moved around myself

I hope EUIV isn't done until SE Asia (and North America if your nice) gets a once over!

 

[Charles F.Muntz]

Stoked on the new religious peace option. Will it allow for orthodox nations to be elected and join?

Keen to read about any custom nation changes too. Thought you must have cut them from the the scope of emperor.

 

[Old Tercio]

What about the Treaty of Tordesillas?

This needs a modification, with the changes to Catholicism and the Pope, this Treaty should be remade.

 

[Old Tercio]

Great Powers are meant to work with that, but they often dont.

This is one of my biggest critics with this game, often great powers in SP and MP don't fight each other and they form hugboxes that make no sense, really wish for EUV they actually focus on the "balance of power" and try and make the great powers war each other more often.

 

[Mr.Grizzly]

I hope EUIV isn't done until SE Asia (and North America if your nice) gets a once over!

While I do think they can squeeze a couple more years of EU IV, the problem with going around and updating every region separately makes it a situation where "Oh this region needs buffing, oh well this one needs it too, and this one too, oh no the first one we buffed needs buffing again" and it just goes around and around, so eventually theyll need to just stop, regardless of if some regions could use improvement, and focus on making sure EU V is good and can, hopefully, try to avoid this problem, but I do want to see Southeast Asia, North America and South America to be tweaked, but so does Africa so we'll see what they decide to do post-Emperor

 

[BrotherJonathan]

I was initially somewhat skeptical about how much the new Imperial Incidents would actually add to the game, but this has me convinced. These seem like a much more involved and fun way to handle things than just Event chains or Decisions, and I think they'll make the HRE feel more relevant and "alive".

 

[Yormund]

I still don't see any reason to push the final reform to unite the empire. Can anybody explain to me, why that is more favorable now?

 

[holyvigil]

The incidents honestly seem pretty underwhelming. They feel very similar to Shinto incidents, when you just choose an option every 15~ish years. I don't really see a difference in the three options for Hansa.

The Reformed incidents is weird too. Like it happens that an Empire ends up pretty much entirely Reformed and here the Emperor can just say "whatever, I don't care". Maybe add a decision for all Reformed Princes after the Emperor decides to not switch to Reformed official faith, that makes them capable of changing it. Like for example make it require being at war with Emperor, winning it, HRE to be mainly Reformed and HRE capital occupied.

A new religious war if the reformed hold the majority could be fun.

 

[Battlex]

The more im thinking about this the more questions I have.

This seems rather bad.

It further creates a seperation between protestant, reformed and Anglican. Not starting on Hussite, but yeah they could be considered some form of Protestantism.

Should there not be an incident about the Imperial Diet of Worms?

Maybe an event afterwards where lutheran countries can kidnap Luther and let him write a german version of the Bible. Like Frederick of Saxony did?

Furthermore this all led to decades of uprisings and rhe creation of leagues and councils.


But in the Peace of Augsburg they settled on Lutheran and Catholic princes.

Should the reformed incident not happen here?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Augsburg

Perhaps there also needs to be a distinction between early Reformation Conflicts and later 30 years war conflict.

There should be seperation, many calvinists oppossed protestants who maintained 'popery' like the maintenance of bishops of England at the least, Armianism was also opposed by the calvinists of the Netherlands.
It really would help if protestants had the religious schools of Islam to modulate interactions between each other