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EU4 - Development Diary - 16th of January 2018

Hello everyone!


I am Trin Tragula and this is the first development diary for Update 1.25 - REDACTED. Some of you may know me from previous diaries that have dealt with research, the historical setup and most of all map changes to various regions. This time is no different, I am here to tell you about a region that has received more work in the, as of yet unnamed, update that we are currently working on.


The region around the English channel has been revised before, both in Update 1.12 (Low countries) and 1.16 (France and the British Isles). Still there were some issues with it and detail is lacking a bit when compared to some more recently revised regions like Scandinavia or Hungary (also originally revised in the same update but later updated). For 1.25 it was therefore time to once again focus on overhauling this part of Europe.

As we plan to do in all future regional updates we have also added new texts to the startup screen for interesting countries that lack them in the overhauled region.


Ireland

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While Ireland has long been an English subject on paper the actual authority of the crown was in many ways a legal fiction in 1444. In practice direct English rule has collapsed and does not extend beyond the small piece of land known as the “The Pale” around Dublin.

While the particulars vary the Anglo-Norman earls, peers under the English kings, are in practice independent by most definitions of the word and have become as Irish as the population the govern.

Receding English influence has also allowed many of the older Gaelic clans to thrive and the island is home to several strong Irish kingdoms.

With the English Kings preoccupied with the Hundred Years war in France and internal squabbles over even their own succession the Irish independence seems destined to last. Should England manage to stabilize and be able to focus on the Emerald Isle once again however they risk losing this freedom quickly. Even so Ireland would likely be an unruly region to control.


In the 1.25 update we hope to better show how the various minor states in Ireland thrived as English rule grew weaker and weaker. We hope the new setup will better show how diverse the Island was and offer the player to lead one of the many clans or earldoms of Ireland to perhaps put up a stronger resistance to the English threat or fail and at best hope to rule as an English vassal.

All Irish tags (new and old) will be given individual national ideas, and the old group set will be repurposed (and partly rewritten) to be a reward for uniting the Island.


Playable Tags in Ireland:

  • Munster (New) - Independent Irish Kingdom
    • This tag represents the MacCarthy Mor, leader of the MacCarthys and the hereditary Gaelic Kings of Desmond. Named Munster to avoid confusion with the Earls of Desmond.
  • Ormond (New) - Independent Irish Earldom
    • In 1444 this tag represents the Butler family, the earls of Ormond.
  • Offaly (New) - Independent Irish Kingdom
    • Central Ireland was divided between many minor clans in 1444, most of them Gaelic. When it later fell to English conquest this is one of the primary regions subject to English settlement. In 1444 in EU4 this province is ruled by the Faly O’Connors, but they were really just one of many minor clans in this region.
  • Tyrconnell (New) - Independent Kingdom
    • The O’Donnel kings of Tyrconnell are another native dynasty to Ireland with roots going hundreds of years back.
  • Leinster (Old) - Independent Kingdom
    • In 1444 the Kingdom of Leinster is ruled by the Kavanagh dynasty since the 12th century (the kingdom itself dating many hundred years further back). While close to the Pale Leinster has a history of strong opposition to the English crown and has often been a force beyond its size in Ireland.
  • Clanricarde (Old) - Independent Earldom
    • Another Anglo-Norman dynasty the Burke family rules their part of Ireland in the name of the English king. In practice however they are just as independent as their neighbors and are.
  • Kildare (Old) - Independent Earldom
    • Much like other parts of Ireland the FitzGerald Earls of Kildare are for practical purposes rulers of their own lands but their close proximity to the Pale means they have a closer relationship with the crown and they have often worked more closely with the king.
  • Thomond (Old) - Independent Kingdom
    • The Kingdom of Thomond remains one of the most independent Gaelic kingdoms on Ireland in 1444. Far from the direct reach of the English crown their problems are more related to their immediate neighbors than a distant king.
  • Sligo (Old) - Independent Kingdom
    • In 1444 Sligo is ruled by the Sligo O’Connors. Much like the Faly O’Connors their hold over the region was not as absolute as we show it in the game.
  • Desmond (Old) - Independent Earldom
    • The Earldom of Desmond (not to be confused with the Kingdom of Desmond, a tag we call Munster) rules the richer parts of south-eastern Ireland. Their ties with the crown are not as close as those of their kinsmen in Kildare.
  • Tyrone (Old) - Independent Kingdom
  • The dominant Gaelic kingdom in the north Tyrone is ruled by the ancient O' Niell dynasty. Tyrone was for a long time the most dominant state in the north.
  • Ulster (Old) - Independent State
  • In 1444 this province was home to a larger number of clans, many with close ties to their Scottish counterpart. In EU4 it is ruled by the Maggenis dynasty.

Scotland

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In 1444 Scotland remains a strong regional kingdom, supported by the King’s of France in the south. While the Clans remain influential in Scottish politics, and would likely assert their independence if they felt it threatened, the Kingdom is unified in a way the Irish lords could only dream of. During their time on the throne the Stuarts have strengthened their rule and their defences against the English to the south, while hungrily biding their time to reclaim the last remains of Norse rule in the form of the Norwegian Jarldom of Orkney in the north.

Scotland has not received any new playable country tags in the 1.25 update but the region has been broken up into more provinces to give the Scottish kingdom a bit more depth and staying power. In the South two provinces have been carved out to show that the Anglo-Scottish border is in fact not flat and hard to defend. The addition of the West and East March provinces instead allows Scotland to fight an invader before they reach the farmlands around the capital
The Highlands have also been broken up, ensuring that a resurgent Highlander kingdom will be stronger and stand a better chance of surviving.


England & Wales

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While England was updated once before after release we felt that it was simply not up to date with regions like Denmark or Germany, and that it was too easy to overrun the island of Great Britain for a naval invader. England is arguably one of the historical winners of this period and while England never saw much in the way of foreign invasion it was the scene of two great civil wars.

In update 1.25 England and Wales have been given a thorough rework with many provinces carved out of the existing ones or redrawn to better reflect both the political and economic realities of the time. The Isle of Man has also been made its own province, a naval base in the Irish sea for whoever manages to get control of it.


Added Tags:
  • Mann - Revolter in the Isle of Man province.
    • In 1444 the Isle of Man is an English possession but it was once a kingdom of its own with roots in the now defunct Kingdom of the Isles.


France & Burgundy

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Another “winner” in our timeline was France. The great kingdom that dominated European politics for centuries before imploding to internal unrest and rising reborn as the Revolutionary Empire of Napoleon, ready to reshape the politics of the continent completely.

In 1444 France is the scene of the Hundred Years war, a long conflict over who would rule the populous lands of the Kingdom. The recently concluded treaty of Tours has seemingly restored peace to the region but its stipulations have yet to be carried out in their entirety as England seem reluctant to surrender Maine to the French king.

The 1.25 update have not brought any new countries into being in France but we have revised the French map, especially in the north.

Normandy and the region around Paris are now more detailed, allowing for a less one-sided early campaign between England and France once conflict flares up again. We have also taken the opportunity to shift some of the French development towards the more populated north to better represent the historical economy of the region.

The huge province of Bourgogne has also been broken up to represent the Burgundian border castles such as Semur, with their capital in Dijon receiving an Inland Centre of Trade.


The Low Countries

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In 1444 the Low Countries are already one of the greatest economic centers of the European continent. Politically many of the states are dominated by the Dukes of Burgundy but under their rule they enjoy considerable autonomy and in time the northern parts would historically form the United Provinces of the Netherlands, an iconic power in the Europa Universalis timeline and a great mercantile and colonial power.

We have felt that when this region was last revisited it was perhaps done so a bit conservatively and this time we have been less concerned with keeping the status quo.

The province of Holland has been broken in two, as has Gelre and Friesland. The Province of Limburg (forever plagued by trying to accomodate the fact that the majority of the county of Limburg would become separated from the city itself in this timeline) has been removed entirely in favor of a separate province for Upper Guelders. The borders have also been redrawn to hopefully better reflect the many border changes in this region during this period in history.

While the development of the Low Countries region was always high (indeed even in 1.24 it is higher than all of England) it has been increased slightly again to better reflect the economic power of these cities. Utrecht, Friesland, Gelre and Holland have all grown by one province each while Brabant, though it remains a powerful force in the region, has lost both a province and a sizable amount of development.



That was all for today! From Ireland to Burgundy we hope that this overhaul will make for a better experience and that it will also make for a more accurate representation of this central region to the developments of the 1444-1820 period.

Next week’s developer diary will be written by @DDRJake and should shed some more light on what kind of update we are making as well as the upcoming Immersion Pack that will go along with it.
 
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One word: AMAZING.

Simply AMAZING: finally the depht those regions deserve.

Now, please, keep up this way. Redraw all europe adding what is missing. I hope to see the same map upgrades for Iberia, Italy and HRE in next DEV DIARIES....
DONT STOP to redraw please!!!
 
Hope Scottish ideas recieve an overhaul and that they'll now get +10% shock damage as a tradition which would be a much fairer representation of the Highland charge!
 
Great map changes! But.. I'm worried about performance. I hope you are still working on performance improvements. You've already done a great job with Japan update but.. those spikes...
 
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But, but, there are no options left for me to pick a dutch OPM now.

Couldn't you just have kept one of them as-is, or included a brand-new one like elsewhere? Coptics were harsh enough, with the only OPM (Ennarea) having Generic NIs but at least there was an option for it.

When I got the game, I decided that I was only allowed to get achievements from OPM starts. This is really crippling as culture-shifting feels shifty too.
 
Regarding the situation with the two Desmonds I somewhat prefer the idea of the Hiberno-Norman earldom being the one called Munster rather than the Irish kingdom considering the Kingdom of Munster was initially split between Thomond and Desmond, with the earldom coming later.
The Gaelic lords of Desmond were descendants of the Kings of Munster, so they had that going for them, at least.
 
So Britain won't get development boost? Considering a gap of development per actual power in history between Europe and ROTW, I hope that there will be no development boost in Europe. Europe should be buffed by system, including development increase through years, not development boost in setup.

Actually it's fine because England hadn't much people compared to other countries.
In XVI century England had half people of Italy/Iberian region or Commonwealth (all of them were somewhere about 10 milions) and even less compared to France. This part is very good in game.
 
One thing to note about the O'Connor Faly clan, which you are adding, is that it is not related to the O'Conor clan of Connacht and Munster. It merely claimed descent from them (a common practice among the clans in Ireland). The arms typically attributed to them are the O'Conor arms, except with the roots within a green patch of ground. This might be what you've utilised, but I can't tell by the image provided.

Most of your post is correct and highly informative. But the Uí Chonbhobhair Fhailge never claimed descent from the Uí Chonchobhair of Connacht.
 
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Pdx, if you're redrawing France and England, could you please make the Channel Islands part of one of the English provinces on the Channel instead of Normandy? It's a trivial issue but it always bothered me that if France that expels England from the continent gets the Islands too--they are the only part of the old Duchy of Normandy retained by the British monarchy.
 
I think Paradox forgot about the Dutch invasion of 1688.

21.000 Dutch soldiers on 500 ships (4 times the size of the Spanish Armada) invaded England under false pretences ('they were invited') to put their Stadtholder William III on the English throne and to prevent another Anglo-French catholic alliance against the Dutch (like in 1672).
London was occupied by Dutch soldiers for three years, no English regiments where allowed within 20 miles.
The Dutch army fought the English king al the way up in Northern Ireland. Thats why you have those Orangemen over there.

Civil wars usually aren't fought between invading armies and domestic ones. That the English try to omit these events from their historical narrative is their choice, but the facts are there for everyone to check.
 
I think Paradox forgot about the Dutch invasion of 1688.

21.000 Dutch soldiers on 500 ships (4 times the size of the Spanish Armada) invaded England under false pretences ('they were invited') to put their Stadtholder William III on the English throne and to prevent another Anglo-French catholic alliance against the Dutch (like in 1672).
London was occupied by Dutch soldiers for three years, no English regiments where allowed within 20 miles.
The Dutch army fought the English king al the way up in Northern Ireland. Thats why you have those Orangemen over there.

Civil wars usually aren't fought between invading armies and domestic ones. That the English try to omit these events from their historical narrative is their choice, but the facts are there for everyone to check.
fair point, I often forget about those dynastic disputes in England
 
People complaining about region X not being redrawn instead of Western Europe?

Go home. Please.

Another time another day for your pet-region. Sheesh.

We didn't only get France, but also Low Countries, Britain and Ireland. That's impressive.
 
I hope one day Balkans get the same treatment.
B-but muh Ottomans op!!!! No!! >:^(

Yemeni provinces are bigger than east balkan provinces. Just lol @ the people who want to keep east balkan provinces the same size as 2-3 middle eastern ones because "muh Ottomans op"
 
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Germany update coming soon?
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Would be nice it's a bit grating seeing that provinces get 3-4 times larger at the border of the Netherlands, despite the other side of that border being just as rich and populated.

The Low Countries deserve such small provinces I think (maybe I'm a but biased as Dutchman, but ok). They were already small, but there were so much important cities in Holland that a split is logical. Groningen deserved an own province too.

I hope that we will see a strong Netherlands less rarely. I never see them reach their actual power now, especially on the sea.
They sure do but the region around them especially in the HRE should be boosted too. It's not like the land became uninhabited and poor as soon as you crossed the borders. Inf act all of the rhineland should be rich.

Can you tell us how the development of England France and Scotland compares to before?And I assume that the Dev of Ireland has been increased
I hope england loses some, it already got more provinces and what's worse more coastal provinces. And that is a buff in of itself so they should lose development to compensate.

To clarify, I'm not asking for a buff to England, which is probably uncalled for. It's just that the Irish struggles were a huge part of Englands history during the centuries of EU IV, and currently all we got in the game is some OPMs in 1444, which can be conquered and cored easily in a few years time and are loyal subjects of the crown from there on. Every decision and event should have downsides (not just "look, here you got CB and cores on all of Ireland, go"), but there should be something that makes it feel more like recreating history.
England was just buffed by adding more provinces. And they don't need a buff they need a nerf.

I hope for a Great Britain colonial/trading immersion pack with the returning of Protectorates. I miss them so much. :(
I would love to see protectorates but I really hope it's not great britain.

Are there any changes to cultures in the expanded regions? Personally I'd love to see Frisian culture in the north of the low countries.
And in northern germany and western denmark.

So after reading the update again, I know why I was a bit disapppointed. I hoped for France getting a mechanic to unite the French lands. As apparently there are no new French tags at game start, I maximally expect a centralisation slider:(
Yeah France needs to come with more development compared to it's neighbours (they have a huge population, larger than any other country in Europe except the ottomans) but some internal issues to deal with.

Do France and England have more dev now than before?
I hope that atleast england have slightly less than that had before since they got more provinces which is in of itself a buff.

Mechanical changes that don't necessarily reflect on the actual map aren't out of the question though. There are other ways to make the HRE more complex, interesting and historically accurate than by adding even more provinces and tags to an insanely crowded zone (even if it'd also be realistic).

One quick look at the penultimate screenshot also seems to point to Spain not getting any map overhauls either.
The HRE needs a massive map overhaul, in fact they need several ones, because there's so much fixing needing that you can't expect one to fix both lower saxony and austria. Also HRE mechanics should come with an austria one while a lower saxony one should redo the hansa, because them working the same as genoa or venice is just stupid.

thinking about that maybe i am wrong, if it's France devs made bad decision(fuc*ed balance) but that also means Spain will be next.
Nah France could really use some love, make it more unique. Also change it to what it was a country which won because of it's sheer devleopment not becuase it had super soldiers.

There have been slight regional increases. France gains more from the redistribution of development in the French region than they do from the added development in the region.
I hope England didn't get more development, in fact I hope you shitfted some of theirs to scotland and the irish minors. England comes way to front loaded as is. Yes they did become powerful in the era but they certainly did not start out particularly powerful. I'd sya they were weaker than the Kalmar union. Certainly weaker than the Habsburgs (neither which were a great power in 1444 last I played unlike England).

Which is true in most ways.

Even after Third Rome, in my games Russia is not always formed, it was so rare before. Russia is important as England, France, Ottomans or Spain for the period of the game.
Yeah but that was far from certain. Same goes for England of course, might well have been the dutch who ended up being the people who did what they did. As for Russia is could have been any principality that united them or the PLC.

Lots of speculation here, but I'll clarify that while Iberia and the HRE deserve some real love, this upcoming update and immersion pack will not be their time in the spotlight.
Please not England...

Please tell me the Frisians will finally be represented now that they could have 3 provinces!
They already did didn't they? Friesland Ostfriesland and Ditchmarschen. Well at any rate now they really should.
HRE is truly BROKEN.

conquest is very hard, because of HUGE AE. if you are not emperor`s ally, it is doubly hard.
unifying HRE is next to impossible (mechanisms to gain IA are removed).
unifying Germany is pretty damn hard.
vassalizing is a dream, as all states are tiny, and there is negative score of being part of HRE.

where is the point of playing as an HRE member other than Austria?

every time you annex a province, you have to wait a decade to let AE fade... or you are screwed...

it definitely needs an overhaul of mechanisms, adding some event, missions, etc to make it easier to carve out a great power from the region.
reducing AE, and/or vassalization hit is necessary.
maybe special conquest missions with reduced AE, or even better AE impact for Prussia?
HRE is broken not because it's hard to unite, but because the things you do to unite it, cling to the throne, add more lands to the empire and so on, is the very opposite of what would have united it.

Agreed. I hope to see the Netherlands a force to be reckoned with. What I would not enjoy seeing is them just blobbing and becoming huge. Would be nice if they were able to play tall and be strong that way.
Very much seconded. The game needs to be less blobby at any rate. Power far to often translate into snowballing.

Finally it's here an update for UK. Woooo.
You had me really worried there
Hopefully now scotland and ireland will actually be harder to conquer. And I dare say, Playable! Before, being able to stabilize england and subjugate/annex the entire island within a matter of ~20 years was a bit ridiculous. and even then, GB as a whole was quite weak compared to a unified anything else.

Hopefully now, though, there will be A LOT less instances where the british islands get invaded by AI france. GB was one of the "Winners" of this period, but really, it was one of the harder nations to actually play successfully. You could pick up ottos or france and kill just about anything, but playing GB, especially in MP, if you made 1 screw up it would usually be over. Unless you knew what you were doing, being landed on would 9/10 times result in a dead GB. While france or ottos could make screw up after screw up and easily come back from it. Ridiculous. I hope this update makes GB easier for new players and more interesting for veterans.
Yeah englands rise to power should be less frontloaded, and be more about having the potential to step into a certain role, if they can push the other great naval and economic powers (spain and the neatherlands) out of that role.

So what you're saying that the HRE is pretty historically accurate?

Conquest SHOULD be hard, unifying the HRE/Germany SHOULD be hard, Vassalising SHOULD be hard
But it's not, it's just weird, you can unite the HRE before the reformation even fires, just by adding loads and loads of land to it.

That's a good thing. Problem is, the last thing Spain needs right now is for France to be buffed too.
Well a immersion pack does not have to mean a buff.

So what are the new province names? I see one is called Den Haag?
The other appears to be called Amsterdam.

Will Gaeldom, Mann and the Low Countries minors get their own ideas?
At the very least they should get dutch ideas, the dutch minors I mean.

Sounds like the next big update will be called "Habsburg" seeing as that is a common denominator for the two lovesick puppies (elephants?) in the room. :D
Eh no. Spain needs a dedicated immerison pack, Austria the HRE needs a decidacted immerison pack and there are several regions in Germany who also need immersion packs of their own, Bavaria, Lower Saxony+Pommerania and so on.

I really hope the French dev goes way up.

France should get massive dev, and massive hurdles. Like the timmies.
Yeah france should be a sleeping monster, a sort of mini HRE, if they can centralize they will be a very dangerous force to be reckoned with.

Maybe Spain and the HRE will get updated next patch, the Habsburg immersion pack
SPain needs an immerison pack of it's own, Austria and the HRE needs an actual expansion, and several German regions needs immersion packs.

Is england going to get any piracy related flavor events by chance?
And what about some update for gibraltar, where controlling the province allows you to excert access through the med?
The last thing we need is England to be even stronger.
I'm disappointed the French Vassals are not making a return in a map update partly dedicated to France.
Yeah I don't get how they missed the chance to add them back in. The game has changed a lot since they were removed.

I dislike this province (and to a lesser extent tag) inflation. Tiny bits of land which are sometimes hard to select, more names to remember, more state borders to consider, more claims to fabricate, more buildings to build etc. etc. I just don't think it improves gameplay.
It does because provinces are used to maneuver armies. But building should be on a state level not on a province one. At least the ones which give a static boost.

I'd have a huge feeling of achievement to slap this in the face of some "historians" from this forum that kept arguing that in fact England was a backwater, some kind of 5th world land. But these great news will have to suffice. Nice work PDX!
It was a backwater. Atleast compared to how it's portrayed in the game. In 1444 England was not even dominant in it's region, much less the equal of the ottomans the Habsburgs or the emperor of china. Heck Venice should be more powerful than them, the Kalmar union, the hansa. England became powerful but they didn't start out powerful.

Now would be a good time for them to add Northumbrian as a culture. Cultures have been split up where it makes less / same amount of sense for the point in time like Han, Russian and Dutch.
I like the idea.

It is supposed to be hard considering Hre was never united and got disbanded by Napoleon. Additionally it is supposed to be hard because German unification happened in 1871. So in EUIV timeline you are not supposed to unify Germany in either way too easily.
Yeah but it's not hard in the game, you become emperor blob and add loads of provinces to the empire. The hard part is only if you try to do it in a way that actually makes any sense considering what actually was going on in the HRE at the time.

Excellent to see France touched upon, together with the arch-enemy England, with this I hope to see a perhaps more lively Hundred Years War end. My personal speculation would be that France will also be the focus of the immersion pack, given that the United Kingdom has already been the focus in the past, getting their own government form, but this might be wrong as it is a popular country.
I hope you are right, but I fear it will be England.

@Trin Tragula Is the reason for not giving the French minor tags a place on the map in 1444 still about balancing? I recall a team member mentioning that the French vassal swarm was simply too strong back when the tags were originally removed.

And if so: Is there really no other way to achieve a compromise, maybe by giving French core land a good amount of autonomy in 1444 or so?
Vassal swarms aren't as powerful as they used to be. Also Burgundy has much more of one today so it's sort of balanced out.

Germany or Italy update coming soon? Please...
Hopefully several german ones.

So Britain won't get development boost? Considering a gap of development per actual power in history between Europe and ROTW, I hope that there will be no development boost in Europe. Europe should be buffed by system, including development increase through years, not development boost in setup.
in 1444? England has more development than they should have. England should have their development drastically lowered then have some events which add it back over the course of the game, perhaps somehow related to their special government.

Oh if it is an england one there should be a south sea bubble even chain where england almost bankrupts itself trading worthless stock.
 
Poor Iberia honestly really let down that Spain will still struggle to form.

While England deserved a reboot assuredly Spain needed more work and being that Spain was a key colonizer and player in the 30 years war they deserved one more