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EU4 - Development Diary - 19th of September 2017

Good day and welcome all to the Tuesday Dev Diary for Europa Universalis IV. Last Week we took a good look at changes to the Islamic Faith mechanics and today we're going to shine the spotlight on two prominent Muslim nations who shaped the Middle East in the 15th Century. That is to say the White sheep and Black Sheep Turkmen of Aq Qoyunlu and Qara Qoyunlu.

For a long time we have modeled these two nations rather haphazardly as Steppe Nomads but now is the time to give them their own special Government type of Tribal Federation complete with their own mechanics centred around Tribal Allegiance.

On its own, the Tribal Federation Government grants:

-5 years of separatism
-10% warscore cost for provinces
+25% cavalry to infantry ratio

The rise and fall of these Federations will ride on how well they are able to win over the tribal warriors of the region who are fickle to the successes and failures of the Federation. By winning battles and humiliating rivals, a Tribal Federation is able to increase their Tribal Allegiance which will in turn grant stronger bonuses for the country. Conversely, losing battles and being humiliated is a fast track to losing their support and bonuses.

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Tribal Allegiance itself will grant no bonuses with at zero, but up to +33% manpower recovery and -3 national unrest as it grows. It will degrade over time relative to your development. Additionally, it can be spent to gain immediate assistance With each action costing 30 Allegiance. :
  • Enlist General: Gain General with 40 Tradition
  • Train Horsemanship: Get +15% Cavalry Combat Ability for 10 years.
  • Conscript from Tribes: Start production of 6 Cavalry units in the capital at 25% build time.
The Inland tribes of Arabia also share these mechanics, while across the world, other Tribal Countries are either Tribal Despotisms or Tribal Monarchies, working as before.

National Ideas

The Black Sheep and White Sheep Turkmen have also been given their own unique national ideas

Aq Qoyunlu (starting development: 55)
Traditions:
cavalry_power = 0.2
land_morale = 0.1

Ambition:
land_maintenance_modifier = -0.10

The White Sheep
"The Aq Qoyunlu, or the White Sheep, trace their lineage to Bayandor Khan, the leader of one of the twenty four Oghuz tribes and the grandson of Oghuz Khagan himself. The blood in our veins is that of true warriors and makes us the predestined leaders of all other peoples."

leader_land_shock = 1

Unite the Clans
"For many years it has been to our great detriment that we have been unable to settle the succession disputes of our federation. We must settle the disputes of the sons of the White Sheep and unite as one. After decades of warfare there will be few who can stand before us if we would just work together instead."

yearly_tribal_allegiance = 1
cavalry_cost = -0.2

Turko-Iranian Bureaucracy
"Iran might seem ripe for an army such as ours. It is easy to conquer and keep under foot. However, if we are to extract any form of revenue from our new subjects we will need to rely not only on our military elites. There is no reason that the old administrative families of these lands should not continue to carry out their work. Let us embrace the ancient traditions of Iranian bureaucracy, as long as we make it clear that the military might lies with the armies of the White Sheep."

core_creation = -0.2

Dynastic Apanages
"The tribes in our confederation are held together by the loyalty to our great ruler but there are many conflicts within this disparate group of supporters. If we want to avoid splintering over petty tribal conflicts we should strive to keep all conquered land directly within our ruling family rather than among the chiefs that support us."

global_manpower_modifier = 0.25

Expansive Diplomacy
"Our realm lies at a crossroad between the empires of the Mediterranean and those of Greater Iran and South Asia. In many ways this region is one of few friends and many enemies. If we are to find allies we will have to look far abroad, perhaps even among the Christian realms of the far west."

diplomats = 1

Religious Pragmatism
"These are dangerous times and many look to millenarian sects for answers. We must do what we can to curb religious extremism in our lands while also working together with the more organized dervish sects that many of the Turkoman warriors belong to. By carefully choosing who to ally and who to fight we can build a stronger state, one that will have the allegiance of the Dervishes without the chaos that religious extremism can bring."

stability_cost_modifier = -0.1

Qanun-nama-ye Hasan
"The source of a land’s wealth is its population. The lands under our control have, however, suffered from centuries of warfare. We must protect our urban and rural subjects alike from wanton raids and coercion. Instead we must build and enforce a set of laws to make living and raising wealth in our realm safe and worthwhile. We will grow rich as our subjects prosper."

global_trade_goods_size_modifier = 0.1
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Qara Qoyunlu (Starting Development: 161. Has Bitlis and Kharabakh as vassals)
Traditions:
leader_land_shock = 1
cavalry_power = 0.2

Ambition:
leader_land_fire = 1


The Black Sheep
"We are the confederation of the Black Sheep. Our lineage goes back to the great Oghuz Khans and our warriors have made the world tremble. Once we bowed our heads to the Ilkhans and Timur but we now stand independent and stronger than ever, ready to take on the leadership of all the Turkic clans of Iran, Anatolia and the Caucasus."

global_manpower_modifier = 0.25

Governor of Azerbaijan
"While many of our military campaigns against our Timurid overlords have given us valuable experience perhaps the most important gain was the title of Timurid governor, given by Shah Rukh to Jahan Shah in order to help him pacify our people. What Shah Rukh did not realize is that this allows us to claim the legitimacy of the Timur, who once defeated and conquered all states in the Caucasus. This newfound honor gives us a platform to build a lasting hold over the Caucasus, Azerbaijan and perhaps one day even Persia."

province_warscore_cost = -0.05
core_creation = -0.1

In Honor of Ali
"Regardless of if they consider themselves Sunni or Shia, the great majority of our subjects honor the Imams, the family of Muhammad and even Ali. While this conviction is regarded as a weakness by some legal scholars it is something that unites our people, be they Sufi mystics, regular Sunnis, Alevis or Twelver Shias."

Tolerance of Heretics +3

Dynamic Warfare
"Our region has proven perilous for many invaders. The mountains, deserts, plains and forests of the Caucasus and Iran require quick adaptation to local circumstances and a keen eye for strategic and tactical advantages. Our prolonged warfare against other Turkoman federations and the Timurids have allowed us to perfect a dynamic form of warfare, mixing raids, grand maneuver warfare and pitched battles."

leader_land_manuever = 1

Freedom with Responsibility
"A truly great ruler is one who knows how to delegate. We have subdued a great number of states over a wide and diverse range of climates and landscapes. If our empire is to grow we must learn to empower local petty dynasties that surrender to our rule, allowing them to tax their own people and raise their own armies in our service."


reduced_liberty_desire = 10

Patron of Iranian Culture
"As conquerors of Iran and Iraq we have inherited the cities and palaces of the great empires before us. If we are to survive and thrive in this region we must add our own monuments and architecture to theirs and patronize the Persianate scholars of our subject peoples."

global_unrest = -1

Irrigation and Public Works
"Centuries of warfare, ever since the Mongol invasion, has left the lands of Iran and Mesopotamia devastated. Great irrigation works that once guaranteed the well being of our subjects have been laid to waste and agriculture is held hostage by the whims of the seasons.\nIn the short run we must build up stores of grain so that we can help our people in times of need. In order to secure the future, however, we must restore what was once ruined and rebuild the public works that will allow the Qara Qoyunlu lands to be fertile and productive once more."

global_tax_modifier = 0.1
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National Ideas and the Tribal Federation Government are all free changes with the 1.23 Update, while Tribal Allegiance and the interactions relating to it are paid parts of the upcoming expansion which will be released alongside 1.23.

Another thing which will be of interest to the Sheep Federations and frankly any nation in the neighborhood of the Ottomans is a change we've done for the Turkish behemoth. In 1444, we have removed all foreign Anatolian cores for the Ottomans. Candar, Karaman, Ramazan, Dulkadir and Aq Qoyunlu may breath a collective sign of relief that Osmanoglu's rise to dominance will be more contested than before.

Ottoman Diplomatic view in 1444:

Ottoman.jpg


As a final note for this dev diary I will wrap up the Trade Goods screenshots by completely jumping away from today's focus and show changes made in China, Korea and Japan:

Happy man looks over far east.jpg


That's all folks! Next week we'll stroll A little Eastwards and check out what has changed in Persia.
 
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DeerMan said:
Janissaries should totally be a special unit as they were the elite of the Sublime Porte's army. +10% fire damge inflicted +2.5% discipline should be accurate.
This would also put more weight when you disable them via disaster
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The only problem there is that this change would really only make them very good once inf. fire starts to matter (~tech 15 or so), which might be a bit of an odd/reverse choice, if one intends to make them start out powerful then trail off later on.
 
fksahin said:
And who said so? I'm unaware of it as a Oghuz Turk lol

Sheeps were very important for nomadic lifestyle and for example still in Turkey we call our little ones as "my little lamp" lol. But that's all. There is no sacred thing about it.

There is one sacred animal in the Turkish/Turkic mythology and it's Wolf. Old Turkish "sacred" ruling family; Aşina (Ashina) used to believe that comes from half wolf half human.

You can read Turkish/Turkic mythology, Ergenekon and Börteçine (wolf) to get more information.
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Emre Yigit said:
Good one. :D The totem animal of the Bayındır clan (from whom the Akkoyunlu claimed descent) was the gyrfalcon.




It could be as simple as the type of sheep they herded. The descendants of the nomadic sheep (and goat) herding Turks and Turcomans could be found until very recent times, and were known by the colour of their sheep and goats, so White Sheep, Black Sheep, Yellow Goat, Black Goat, etc tribes.

An alternative etymology, which I do not believe to be correct, says they are the western sheep herders and northern sheep herders. "Ak"="white" used to be the colour Turks would ascribe to the west, and "kara"="black" to the north. In support of this, I did find a "Kızılkoyunlu" family (which would be "red/southern sheep herders") but no etymology for their name. As I said, I don't think this is correct, anyway.

Edit: The Ottomans are apparently descendants of the Black Goats, first tribal cousins to the Blackheads, Horsemen, the "With Wolves", White Goats, Yellow Goats, etc. :)
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Well you guys seem to be Turks so you might have better informations than I do. My source (Wikipedia, obviously lol) says "The origin of the name refers to some ancient customs which have added a sacred character to this animal (the lamb) and reached the extent of making it protector of the tribe and its emblem." My summarization seems to be a little bit misleading.
 
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So Tribal Allegiance is basically Horde Unity mixed with the Estates except they won't bitch and moan if you don't give them provinces?

Seems balanced.

Also somewhat annoyed at the loss of the Tribal Federation government type. The manpower modifier and force limit are miles better than something like Tribal Monarchy, with it's pathetic vassal income boost. RIP Circassa.
 
janissaries can be, should be special units but it requires national idea changing of ottomans. like adding 5-10% land moral and/or 5-10% infantry combat ability.
also finisher 50% force limit can be replaced with land maneuver or reinforce speed.

Bibor said:
The whole point of Osmanli empire expanding into Europe was the power vacuum in the Balkans left by the crumbling Byzantine empire. It was a land grab performed by mainly Venice, Hungary, the Ottoman state and others. It had little, if anything to do with religion or Ottoman ginormous manpower/power reserves/economy as represented in the game.

And it wasn't as clear cut as in the game either. Osmanli armies lost battles, lost wars, just like every other nation. Currently, fighting Ottomans (or France) requires a coalition of most regional powers to even win a war, let alone win it decisively.

In my opinion, The Commonwealth is the best represented "superpower" in the game. It can live, it can die, it can thrive or become marginalized. I've never seen so many interesting and diverse variations to the same theme in any other corner of the map. Hopefully, other regions will become similar as well. Iberia is on a good track, England, France and China could use some love (or hate) in this regard.
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don't play with historical lucky nations then...
 
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Kalderus said:
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Byzantium - 1328 - Barely over a century before game start, and following EUIV rules, it should take 150 years to lose a core from a nation's culture group, so there is no absolutely no justification for losing any cores on Greek cultured lands (e.g., Rhodes/Rhodos, Epirus and Chios). Additionally, the population along the Asia Minor coast would still have been predominantly Greek at this time period, especially in the northern area shown here, so they should definitely have cores on Kocaeli, Hudavendigar and Biga, if not also Aydin and Mentesha.
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I guess it's my job in this thread to correct incorrect maps, so I do have to point out that Rhodes wasn't Byzantine in 1328, as the Knights of St John had conquered in 1310.
 
There should probably be a few other tweaks. The Ottos (and Venetians) should lose their core on Albania. No one could conquer it while Skanderbeg was alive, and even as awesome a general as he is, Albania's 3 infantry are no match for anyone.

Also, at game start, Niš should be in Ottoman hands.
 
Orinsul said:
does anyone know why they were named after sheeps?
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I could answer that with my guess, but most of that would probably be against the forum rules :D

Havak said:
Next week cannot come fast enough I cannot wait for PERSIA!!!!!!!!!!! This is the Dawn of the Lions, This is the Rise of Persia!"
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No mate, this IS SPARTA!!!!111
 
As for the whole Anatolian core debate, cores serve two functions.

One is revanchist/social structures l/legitimacy. That is, if it was historically (not briefly) part of a country, or the structures/legitimacy existed for a conqueror to easily integrate it, then it should have a core.

One of the most important game aspects of this is there's no separatism in conquered lands with cores.

The other aspect is driving conquest. Way back in the old days of EU I/II, the OE had cores on all its historical conquests. This drove it to be constantly at war, wearing itself out, and going. In all directions at once. The result was, the OE was rarely a threat to anyone but itself.

One of the things we modders discovered was that if you removed most of the cores, and gave them out slowly, it drove the OE to be more powerful, and grow in a more historical fashion.

Within just over ten yeas of game time, both Jandar and the Karamanli were conquered (with the Karaman having half their country taken, and the rest reduced to vassals).
 
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seriousgigi said:
agreed. great seljuk empire should be formable in this patch. aqq/qq or rûm can form it.
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Additional info: Rum is short type of Seljuk Sultanate of Rum. They were actually part of Great Seljuk Empire. Ruled by same dynasty. But later become independent. Rum is how Turks called Romans and in that time Anatolia. So there will be something missed if only Rum formable and not Great Seljuk Empire.
 
It wouldnt make sense to form the great seljuk empire, without the seljuk dynasty, the empire was named after the dynasty. Lets say as an example i play the Karamans or Aq Qoyunlu or Qara Qoyunlu and i conquer the entire middle east, why the heck would i name the empire than great seljuk empire? It would be named after the dynasty i play, for example great karaman empire.
 
I hope there will be a good solution for Persia in the next post. Now it looks like if Timurids become fractured into smaller states - they will be easily getting eaten by the Ottomans, and so would Persia. They used to be the rivals of the Ottomans for 300 years but now the AI Persia is going to have a hard time becoming the standard regional powerhouse it is when it can't rebel en masse from the small Timurid states.
 
darthxeion said:
It wouldnt make sense to form the great seljuk empire, without the seljuk dynasty, the empire was named after the dynasty. Lets say as an example i play the Karamans or Aq Qoyunlu or Qara Qoyunlu and i conquer the entire middle east, why the heck would i name the empire than great seljuk empire? It would be named after the dynasty i play, for example great karaman empire.
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then any x country that united those areas would became great x empire. x is changeable for player's country like you said great karaman empire, great candar empire or great white sheep empire lol
 
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