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EU4 - Development Diary - 1st of May 2018

Hello everyone!

This week I have returned to tell you a bit more about the upcoming overhaul of the map of India and what it will mean for the northern parts of the subcontinent. These changes will be part of the 1.26 patch which is currently in development.

Northern India in 1444
Just as in the region under focus in Cradle of Civilization the political situation in Northern India has recently been reshaped by the actions of Timur, who invaded the subcontinent in 1398 and sacked Delhi. At that time Delhi was the capital of, more or less, the entire northern part of the subcontinent (in the south the Bahmani sultanate had already broken away 50 years prior). The day after the looting this, once great, kingdom had effectively been reduced to a few kilometers around the city’s periphery. As soon as news reached them the governors in Jaunpur, Bengal, Malwa, Gujarat and many vassal kings all broke away into their own independent states. Timur himself quickly left with only the local Sayyid dynasty placed in charge of Punjab and Multan.

In 1444, almost 50 years later, Timur is now dead and his son, Shah Rukh is dying. Timurid influence in the subcontinent is almost non-existent and the many breakaway states are now consolidated kingdoms in their own right. The Sayyids have conquered the city of Delhi for themselves, ousting the old Tughlaq dynasty, but have been able to claim the wider Delhian empire as their own.

In 1.26 we have tried to better portray this hugely diverse region, both in the initial setup and in how it will develop over time. As before we will keep to mentioning countries that exist at the start of the game. There may however be countries in later starts and revolters (such as Sikkim, Rajkot or Makwanpur) that we won’t be discussing here.

Punjab, Multan & Delhi
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Shortly after Timur left India in 1398, the governors he had left in charge of Multan seized Delhi for themselves. Founding the Sayyid dynasty they ended the Tughlaq dominion over India and laid claim to their empire.

Reclaiming Delhi’s lost lands has proven hard in practice however, the Sharqi dynasty in Jaunpur controls the old heartland of the Sultanate and the invading Langa dynasty has wrested away Multan itself. Punjab remains part of the Sayyid domain but is home to quarrelsome nobles with their own ambitions.

In 1444 an ambitious local strongman in Punjab, Bahlul Lodi, has united the nobles of the region behind him. With them he will march on Delhi to make his overlord, the Sayyid sultan, a puppet to his will.

In our timeline Bahlul succeeded. He imprisoned Mahmud Shah Sayyid in a fort a few kilometers outside the city and returned to his base in Punjab. Bahlul Lodi was not content with being the power behind the throne for long however, and eventually returned a few years later, seizing the throne for himself.
The talented and ruthless Lodis would then do what the Sayyids could not and reclaim much of northern India, only to eventually lose it to a wayward Timurid claimant, Babur.

In patch 1.26 we have replaced the old pretender revolt in Delhi with a Punjabi vassal ruled by Bahlul Lodi (4/5/6). Early on an event will fire allowing Delhi and Punjab (with Bahlul at the helm) to decide if they wish to go to war over who will rule the Sultanate.
A decision for all Sultanates in northern India to form Delhi has also been added if they should take the city, allowing them to claim many of Delhi’s former lands as well as their country specific content.
The Himalayan region has been revised, with a new Pahari culture added as well as a number of new mountain kingdoms to better portray the diversity of the region, which maintained its independence in the face of many empires during the era this game portrays.

New Playable Countries in 1444:
  • Punjab - Delhi vassal. This is not a new tag as such, Punjab was always a revolter in this region but it is now playable from the start to represent Lodi domain.
  • Sirmur - Rajput Mountain kingdom dating back to the 11th century.
  • Kumaon - Mountain kingdom under the Rajput Chand dynasty, dating back to the 8th century.

Hindusthan - The Gangetic Plain & Nepal
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The central Gangetic plain is one of the most densely populated places in the world, in 1444 as well as today. It has often been the heartland of the great North Indian empires and the main source of both income and recruitment. It was therefore a major blow to the Delhi sultans when the eastern governor based in Jaunpur declared independence, styling himself the first of the “Sharqi” (literally eastern) sultans.

In 1444 the Sharqi dynasty is doing well. The capital of Jaunpur has gained a reputation as the ‘Shiraz of India’ due to their patronage of culture and art. Politically they have not only maintained their independence from Delhi, they have also moved aggressively towards conquering the city itself in a few recent wars.

In the Himalayas to the north, the region we know as Nepal is divided in a myriad of petty states (in reality many more than we can portray) and would not be united for centuries.

In patch 1.26 we have revised the Gangetic plain to give it the strategic depth it deserves in Bihar and Jaunpur. We have also broken up Nepal into a number of new playable countries. While it is impossible to truly cover the sheer number of states in this region we still believe this new setup better portrays the political realities of the region. If one of them conquers enough of the others it will be able to form Nepal, gaining access to its national ideas and claims on a wider region claimed by Nepal after it had been historically unified by the Gorkhas in the 18th century.


New Playable Countries in 1444:

  • Doti - Representing the kingdoms of far Western Nepal we have the Mallas of Doti.
  • Jumla - The Baisi Rajya (22 principalities) region is represented by the tag of Jumla, ruled by the Chauhan dynasty in 1444.
  • Dang - Small Nepalese kingdom ruled by the Chauhans of Tulsipur.
  • Gorkha - Representing the many kingdoms of Chaubisi Rayja (24 principalities) and Palpa we have the Gorkha tag. At start ruled by the Sen Rajas of Ribidkot and in later start dates first the Rajas of Palpa and later the Shahis of Gorkha.
  • Kathmandu - Kathmandu valley is home to one of the more influential kingdoms of Nepal and is ruled by the Malla dynasty. Within a generation Kathmandu valley would historically become divided into three rivaling kingdoms rather than one, losing much of its influence.
  • Limbuwan - Independent Buddhist kingdom. The Limbu country is in 1444 led by the influential Morang state under the Sangla dynasty.

Rajputana & Malwa
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Long before 1444, before the Muslim invasion of India, the north-western part of the subcontinent was ruled by Rajput dynasties. While their descendants are still present all over in Northern India, the richer lands are now all ruled by Muslim sultanates. Many Rajput dynasties remain in power however in the region colloquially known as Rajputana, roughly corresponding to modern Rajasthan with surroundings.

The most powerful dynasty in 1444 is by far the Sisodias of Mewar, who up until recently has been cooperating closely with the Rathores of Marwar. Joint rule has however ended with bad blood, intrigues and murder. Mewar has annexed Marwar in retribution and the would-be king of the Rathores Jodha is currently an outcast in the Marwari desert. Historically Jodha would found the city of Jodhpur and reclaim his kingdom, destined to be a long term rival of Mewar to the south.

Further south the rich Malwa Plateau, once the center of a great Rajput Empire, is now ruled by the Muslim Khalji sultanate. While Malwa is a rich agricultural land, with black volcanic soil, it is also on the main route between the northern plains and the great ports of Gujarat. Allowing it to tax trade but also making it a target for almost all of its neighbors, sultans as well as rajas. Rajput nobles remain a very influential group in Malwa and historically the Malwa sultans would come to rely greatly on them in its many conflicts with neighboring sultanates. This reliance would eventually be the end of the dynasty, as large parts of the kingdom more or less defected to Mewar in a later conflict.

In 1444 Malwa has subdued the Gond state of Garha to the east and set up a vassal kingdom in Kalpi under the Malikzada dynasty. An insurance and a buffer against the rival Jaunpur sultanate to the north.

In 1.26 we have done our best to better portray this varied and fiercely independent region. Both by adding new provinces and countries but also by better minding the political geography of the region. Bundelkhand has been diversified and both Mewar and Malwa have gained provinces to better portray their actual strategical depth (even though both states remain sensitive to attacks on more than one front).
Next to Gwalior the province of Ranthambore with its famous fort now also guards the region from northern incursions. Together these forts have been called the Gibraltar of India and their sieges in this era are legendary.

New playable countries in 1444:
  • Kalpi - Muslim subject of Malwa and a point of conflict between Jaunpur and Malwa for decades. Was previously part of Bundelkhand (a tag that now represents the Bundelas of Mahoba and later Orchha).
  • Kalinjar - Small kingdom ruled by the Chandella dynasty dating to the 9th century. Was previously part of the Bundelkhand tag.
  • Idar - Small Rathore princedom in the hills near the neck of the Mahi river, often but not always subservient to Gujarat.

Gujarat, Kathiawar and Sindh
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The Sultanate of Gujarat is the dominant power in the far west of northern India. Its main source of income and influence is its access to the great ports through which so much of India’s trade flows west. Khambhat is quite possibly one of the greatest ports in the world in the 15th century. It is both a center of production, export and the main embarkation point for the Hajj for Indian Muslims. Like the other Sultans the Muzzafarids (or Ahmad Shahis) of Gujarat have recently thrown off their loyalties to Delhi and have been building a new kingdom for themselves.
The Saurashtra region to their west is still home to a great number of smaller kingdoms, most of which are still independent. While weaker than the Rajput states of Rajputana these small kingdoms could together still be a threat to the Sultanate and historically the Gujarati sultans would consider the conquest of this region one of the first priorities.

In patch 1.26 we have breaken up the old Kathiawar tag (now renamed to Kutch). Instead we now represent some of the other states on the peninsula, many of whom had old and very venerable dynasties. We have also separated Saurastri and Gujarati culture. As with the southern coast we have made sure that the Indian trade ports of the Gujarat and Sindh regions are given their proper representation, both because these would have been targets for any expansion in the region, and to allow European countries plausible footholds here.


New Playable Countries in 1444:
  • Jhalavad - Independent Rajput kingdom ruled by the Jhala dynasty.
  • Palitana - Independent Rajput kingdom ruled by the Gohil dynasty.
  • Junagadh - Independent Rajput kingdom in western/central Kathiawar ruled by the Chudasama dynasty. This kingdom has ruled the peninsula since the 9th century and still hold the ancient mountain of Girnar and its associated fort Uparkot.
  • Porbandar - Independent Rajput maritime kingdom ruled by the Jethwa dynasty.

Other Indian Setup Changes:
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Now last but not least here is the promised a Trade Node map of India! This is one way in which the subcontinent has actually changed quite a bit as the one from 1.8 had some severe deficiencies. Both in how hard it was for Europeans to pull trade from the region and in its failure to properly capture the benefits of the Grand Trunk Road.

In 1.26 we have removed and renamed nodes as well as changed connections and the direction of the trade flow.

Changes include:
  • Bengal now gives trade to Doab as well as Coromandel (old Ceylon).
  • Doab feeds both Deccan and Lahore.
  • Deccan Feeds Coromandel and Gujarat
  • Lahore feeds Gujarat, Samarkand and Persia.
  • Gujarat feeds Hormuz, Aden and Zanzibar
  • Coromandel feeds Gujarat, Aden and Cape of Good Hope.

That was all for this week!
Next week I will be back to talk about changes to Bengal, Tibet and Burma! I will also mention some more of the new formable countries we have in store for India.
 
Okay whats exactly stopping Jaunpur from just smashing Delhi/Punjab before they get time to play out their war and die?

Nothing tangible really. I would say it’s even quite a plausible outcome, in the game and historically as well.
In the game Jaunpur would then become a new Delhi and thats also likely what would have happened in real life.

At start Jaunpur has been closing in on Delhi for years and just finished one such war, grabbing surrounding provinces iirc.
Of course Jaunpur has other enemies as well but if I were to play them I’m sure I’d start by going after Delhi.
 
Nothing tangible really. I would say it’s even quite a plausible outcome, in the game and historically as well.
In the game Jaunpur would then become a new Delhi and thats also likely what would have happened in real life.

At start Jaunpur has been closing in on Delhi for years and just finished one such war, grabbing surrounding provinces iirc.
Of course Jaunpur has other enemies as well but if I were to play them I’m sure I’d start by going after Delhi.
It just seems from a MP perspective that if you have Punjabhi and Jaunpur as players that Punjab has to wait for the civil war event, then win it, then core the land, and it looks like they're SIGNIFICANTLY underdev to Jaunpur. The 6 mil will help them get tech 4 or 5 faster, but this isn't looking like a historical outcome will happen.

I'm thinking if Punjab had strong traditions, Jaunpur had a truce, and Punjab had cores on Delhi it'd be a bit easier. Unless that's already how it is.

Timurids had large amounts of work done to simulate them staying alive, Austria got their start nerfed hard, Bohemia had a Hussite king, Hungary got a lot of work done, the 100 years war got an event + England starting with almost no manpower, so I'm hoping this particular case has Punjabhi getting some edge.

(Especially because Jaunpur barely made it 30 years in game before dying.)
 
This Expansion is going to be amazing. I really like the changes that have been made in Deccan, Gujarat and Rajasthan. The representation of smaller states in Gujarat is a welcome sight and will make it possibly harder for Gujarat to conquer the region. I will guess that Palitana will be a Jain province even though the state religion will be Hindu.

I also suggest that Porbandar be renamed 'Barda' as it was the historical name of the region (Porbandar became the capital later: Ghumli -> Ranpur -> Chhaya -> Porbandar) and Palitana be renamed 'Gohilwad' or 'Sihore' as the fomer owes to the regions many Gohil ruled lands and the latter to the historical capital of Sihore before Bhavanagar became the capital.

Porbandar - https://archive.org/stream/pts_historyofkathiaw_3721-1226#page/58/mode/2up
Palitana - https://archive.org/stream/pts_historyofkathiaw_3721-1226#page/84/mode/2up
 
Other Indian Setup Changes:
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Wow, I think I've seen this map somewhere :D
I wonder what we'll have east of it.

And I have very historical and accurate Trade Nodes & Routes proposal for China-Korea-Japan area which totally changes trade dynamic for these countries in a positive way. I will try to properly present it within few weeks.

AWESOME changes for India.
 
Not sure how realistic this would be, or if even possible, but let's say GB conquered all of india in game. Would be cool if the separatists that appeared was something like Bharat separatists across all of india, rather than small regional rebellions. Bharat could gain cores across all of India too while under control of a European uniter, this could be done for places like Ireland too.
 
If the trade company mechanic actually get reworked and we can finally have the East India Company as an active actor rather than passive actor as it is now, I'm going to be pleasantly surprised. One can only hope so much for this expansion DLC.

Pretty please, @Trin Tragula? Please, please? :D
 
Not sure how realistic this would be, or if even possible, but let's say GB conquered all of india in game. Would be cool if the separatists that appeared was something like Bharat separatists across all of india, rather than small regional rebellions. Bharat could gain cores across all of India too while under control of a European uniter, this could be done for places like Ireland too.
Still a bit too early for Indian nationalism, even if Great Britain owned it all. If GB accepted some Indian cultures, then nationalism may not even happen in India.
 
As an aside, the purpose of the Swahili trading cities (and the trading cities on the same coastline in Roman times before them) was not as a way-station for trade. They were there to extract resources, emphatically including slaves, from Africa, and export them to Arabia, Persia, and India.

It would actually make a lot of sense to make Zanzibar feed into the trade nodes to its north, while being bypassed on the route to Europe, and perhaps also feeding into the Cape of Good Hope.

That's exactly what I think.
Zanzibar should flow into Aden & Cape.
Swahili trade cities were dominated by arabian / persian merchants even in 16-18th centuries, and they came there not to ship goods from Arabia / Persia to Africa, but to move local resources & slaves into Arabia / Persia. It really took a while until european traders wiped out them from there, and 2 outgoing routes from Zanzibar would represent this struggle between europeans and arabians over East Africa & Indian ocean trade.
Now when Zanzibar has access to Gujarat Trade which historically they profited from, and when there's european route bypassing Zanzibar, such implementation would be soo natural!
 
@Trin Tragula
Cool changes though I hope you rethink the trade routes because it's a bit dissapointing that eastern Europe is cut off from half of Indian trade and sad to see Samarkand as a generic node rather than the node that should regulate all trade from India and China. By the way could you make an option for mp that allows you to tell the ai not to take the Golden era decision, it is actually rather annoying that you miss a session and the ai spams the golden age when you don't want her too, kind of the same happens with mission rewards, so if you could make an option to tell her not to do it
 
Okay whats exactly stopping Jaunpur from just smashing Delhi/Punjab before they get time to play out their war and die?
Actually, Alauddin Alam Shah (the prevailing Sultan of Delhi) was Mahmud Shah Sharqi's wife's brother and this stopped him from attacking Delhi.

So because of the close marriage relationship, when Bahlul took over Delhi, Sharqi sultan of Jaunpur looked upon Delhi sultanate as legitimately belonging to him. Moreover, Mahmud Sharqi's wife prevailed upon her husband to attack Delhi to dislodge Bahlul. He did attack and besieged the city of Delhi in 1552 while Bahlul was away. This would ultimately result in clashes in Narela (17 km away from Delhi) between the army of Bahlul who was returning towards Delhi against a part of Sharqi's army (since much of army was still in Delhi) which would be abandoned by his own men resulting in a disastrous loss for Sharqi. And when Mahmud Shah Sharqi still in Delhi heard about this sad news, he retreated to Jaunpur. But this was just the beginning of the enmity between the two.
 
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This Expansion is going to be amazing. I really like the changes that have been made in Deccan, Gujarat and Rajasthan. The representation of smaller states in Gujarat is a welcome sight and will make it possibly harder for Gujarat to conquer the region. I will guess that Palitana will be a Jain province even though the state religion will be Hindu.

I also suggest that Porbandar be renamed 'Barda' as it was the historical name of the region (Porbandar became the capital later: Ghumli -> Ranpur -> Chhaya -> Porbandar) and Palitana be renamed 'Gohilwad' or 'Sihore' as the fomer owes to the regions many Gohil ruled lands and the latter to the historical capital of Sihore before Bhavanagar became the capital.

Porbandar - https://archive.org/stream/pts_historyofkathiaw_3721-1226#page/58/mode/2up
Palitana - https://archive.org/stream/pts_historyofkathiaw_3721-1226#page/84/mode/2up

How badly I was looking for this book and the one I got had a really bad formatting.

@Trin Tragula About the Jadejas, please refer to page 112 (99 in the book) where it says:

"In about a.d. 1313, during one of their incursions, they conquered and destroyed Ghumli, causing the Jethwas to move south to Chhaya ; but they did not remain in Saurashtra and returned to Kachh. Subsequently, in about a.d. 1535, they again invaded the province under Jam Rawal Hala, who had been driven
out of Kachh after murdering Hamirji, the ruling chief. Jam Rawal settled in a.d. 1540 at Nagnah Bandar (Nawanagar) and consolidated his rule in what was known as " Halawad." This has since assumed its present form of " Halar," by which the North- West portion of Saurashtra is known. The name " Halawad "
was given to Jam Rawal's dominions on account of his descent from Jam Hala, and of himself being known as "Halani." Subsequently other branches of the Jadeja family became established round about Nawanagar territory. Dhrol was captured from Dhama Chaora by Hardholji, brother of Jam Rawal, some time between A.D. 1540 and 1560."

Though this is not yet adequate information but it does indicate that the Jams were still not dominant in Navanagar & Rajkot in 1444. I will try to find some more information on the subject.
 
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... to allow European countries plausible footholds here.

You've used this language a couple times now. If you could be more explicit about what you mean in practical terms, and why you expect that result.

I play a lot of imperial trade games and the problem with India is by the time a European power gets over there, India is more often than not a garden of intermingling hugboxes of the 4 subcontinental superpowers all at current military tech or one tech below. Regularly I'll jump on over to Malaysia first while keeping an eye out for a big exterior war to disrupt India so I have time to take a small peace deal before they can bring their armies back home. Is this the sort of play you're talking about, or do you hope for something more or different?
 
My guesses at formable nations are Sur(for Afghans like Multan), Bengal, Punjab or some sort of nation for Sikhs, Rajasthan or Rajputana for Rajputs, Kathiawar for the nations there, Ceylon, and possibly something for Deccan nations?
 
Trin Tragula, How many new special events for India subcontinent ? I think the event is stimulating when we have to wait for trace or recovery the manpower. Do you going into Indochina region ? I think these countries need revise because only Ming got updates.
 
With this update, will Portuguese missions get changed? It's a bit much to require owning the entire Mozambique coast (including Comoros!) to get "Vasco da Gama in India" event to fire, and I doubt Portugal had that much control of East Africa before they got their feitoria at Goa.