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EU4 - Development Diary - 25th of June 2019

Hello again! We have another fragmented dev diary today as each of us will talk about content that we’ve designed and implemented. Our focus this time will be on mission trees in the Balkans region.

To begin, I’ll hand you over to @Caligula Caesar for a look at the Austrian mission tree.

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Austria already had quite a few missions, largely focusing on them acquiring their historical territories and solidifying their position as Emperor. However, we felt that there was plenty of room for new missions going in various directions. Some explore “what if” expansion opportunities, but we tried not to go overboard there and explicitly avoided giving PU CBs on the likes of France and Spain, as this would make Austria’s potential too OP. Instead, many new missions focus on internal affairs, governance of subject peoples, being a good Emperor and generally achieving diplomatic predominance. The result was a mission tree as extensive as any in the game at the moment.

One of the first missions in the old mission tree was to form a personal union with Hungary. As we know, the history of Austria’s rule of Hungary was an uneasy one, littered with attempted revolts and difficult compromises. We therefore added a few missions to reflect this. The mission “The Hungarian Question” requires you to not just own Hungary but also have no unrest, separatism or autonomy (taking into account estates). If you do this, you will gain Hungarian and Slovakian as accepted cultures, or if you have accepted them already, you gain +3 development in Pest and Bratislava. “Multicultural Empire”, the next mission, has similar conditions, but requires you to achieve them in a multitude of non-German provinces. Your reward is to gain the option of adopting a new base government reform called Imperial Austrian Monarchy.

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Saying "no" will give you lesser bonuses but let you keep your current reforms.

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Further down on the Balkan conquests branch, new missions were added to push further south into Serbia and Bulgaria, and ultimately drive the Ottomans from the Balkans, if you are up to the task. As currently, this branch splits to include the mission “Italian Ambition” (focusing on Venice), but now that mission is only the start of Austria’s ambitions in Italy, and Austria now has missions to take over Milan and Naples too.

The old mission to Secure Electors is now the start of a larger HRE-themed tree, which has you complete tasks such as ensuring that no HRE provinces are owned by non-HRE members, that there are no countries strong enough to challenge you in it (i.e. own 10 provinces and are not your subject), and that it is Holy (i.e. religious turmoil has been weathered), Roman (Rome and its owner are in the Empire) and truly an Empire (pass most of the reforms and have every member state have a positive opinion of you). The last three missions grant you, respectively, +1 Papal Authority (with some fallbacks if you are not Catholic), +0.1 Imperial Authority and +0.5 yearly Absolutism; however, you will lose these bonuses should you no longer be Emperor.

A pair of branches for limited expansion into Germany and the West have been added. One focuses on making the Austrian territories contiguous (i.e. there must be a land connection between Breisgau and Tirol), taking revenge for the exploits of a certain William Tell in Switzerland, and weakening France – the last not requiring outright conquest, but merely a higher monthly income and an army double the size of France’s, giving you an enviable +10% land morale and +25% improve relations for the next 20 years. The second branch starts with the old classic first targets of Salzburg and Augsburg (plus Trent now) before allowing you the opportunity to fulfill Austria’s long-time ambition of integrating Bavaria into their state. After that, you must choose how to deal with Brandenburg: Either crush them or make them very firm allies. Either way, you will be rewarded with a highly skilled Prussian army advisor at 25% the cost.

We also added a new colonial branch, starting from the Netherlands if you can acquire them. It provides some targets and bonuses for those who wish the Habsburgs to colonise the world, and also provides a much-needed nod to centuries of confusion between two countries with horribly similar names (I feel sorry for our translators…). There is also a new economic/administrative branch, which starts with ensuring the estates are fully behind you and then requires you to develop your Austrian provinces in various ways, concluding with making Vienna the fitting stage for the Viennese Waltz by giving it at least 50 development and 6 buildings, and demonstrating your care for culture by employing three level 3 advisors.

Finally, the new diplomatic branch starts with the fairly achievable task of being a Great Power, having a Great Power ally and a Great Power rival. However, it quickly becomes more challenging: “Spread the Habsburgs” requires you to have either 5 nations ruled by your dynasty or have your dynasty present on 5 continents. You then need to shift the balance of power in your favour by having at least 500 European province (out of 800-odd) be ruled by you, your allies/subjects, or members of the HRE (with you as Emperor); achieving this will give your ruler and future rulers for the next 30 years +2 dip skill. After crushing the Revolution, you then must assert your supremacy over Europe – all Great Powers in Europe must either be allied to you or have been defeated by you in the last 100 years. If you can manage all this, you will be in a truly dominant position and will be duly rewarded with +5% administrative efficiency.

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Aside from missions, there is another change to Austria that we can present at this stage. At present, Austria's heir is Ladislaus Postumus. Hungary usually soon acquires the same Ladislaus Postumus as an heir, but should both come to inherit their countries, they will continue to be treated as separate rulers and the countries will not form a union; even worse, the two Ladislauses have different stats! All this will now change. Firstly, they now have the same stats. Secondly, if either of them dies before both become king, the other will also die, so that one doesn't end up wondering why hunting accidents don't cross borders. Thirdly, if Ladislaus survives to become Archduke and King, Austria will become the senior PU partner of Hungary.

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As a further change, Hungary and Croatia have merged as the PU is formed. Given the historical particularities of the Croatian situation, we felt it more appropriate that they should be treated as part of Hungary if Hungary falls under a PU.

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Hey again folks, I'm @Ofaloaf and it's time to talk about Serbian missions.

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The Serbian Despotate in the middle of the 15th century was in a precarious state. The despotate was the descendant of the 14th century Serbian Empire, a realm which dramatically rose and fell over two generations, and which at its height had included much of Albania, Montenegro, and northern Greece. This empire disintegrated into bickering principalities in the later 14th century, all of which either ended up conquered by the advancing Ottomans or consolidated under the rule of a northern Serbian principality which is now often referred to as Moravian Serbia. The Serbian Despotate seen in 1444 is the result of Moravian Serbia's efforts to consolidate and rebuild the old empire, although it should be said that historically this did not end well for them and the Despotate was fully conquered by the Ottoman Empire in 1459.

So! Serbia has a recent legacy which serves as an excellent framework for many of its early missions. Serbian expansion focuses initially on the domains of the former Serbian Empire, encouraging the country to reincorporate the wayward provinces of Albania, Macedonia and northern Greece back into the realm. If that's pulled off (and taking on the Ottomans is no small matter!), then Serbian expansion generally tracks in two directions: East, towards Constantinople, and north, towards Austria. Along the way, Serbia will have to find ways to deal with the myriad cultures of the Balkans (including Bosnians, a new addition reflective of pre-Ottoman Medieval Bosnian culture) and use their faith to solidify their rule in their new domains.

If Serbia is willing to play a diplomatic game, there are some opportunities for peaceful gains. Hungary and Serbia had a very close relationship in the fifteenth century; Despot Stefan, father of the Serbian ruler in charge at the start of the Grand Campaign, agreed to become a nominal vassal of Hungary during his reign, and in return received the city of Belgrade, now modern-day Serbia's capital. Belgrade was returned to Hungary upon Stefan's death, but if Serbia is willing to rebuild relations with Hungary (without becoming a real vassal), the Hungarian crown just might be willing to repeat the deal it made with Stefan and cede Belgrade once more. If Serbia is not interested in diplomacy, of course, Belgrade can be regained by guile and force of arms too.

Serbia's missions are focused on survival and reclaiming territories which it had only recently lost. If it can weather the initial storm and make some tentative gains, Serbia has plenty of opportunities to expand and reclaim its place as a true empire once more.

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And now back to me, @neondt.

We have on the map several tiny Catholic nations in Greece that I’ll collectively refer to as the Crusader States. These are The Knights, Cyprus, Epirus, Athens, and Naxos. The Crusader States have some of the most challenging starting positions in the game, being at the mercy of the Ottomans as well as the wealthy Italians republics of Venice and Genoa. I decided to add a little flavor to these countries by way of a mission tree:

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As fantastical as some of these missions are, we remain committed to some degree of plausibility. There are no explicitly supernatural events in EU4, except for Hunting Accident which will always kill your 6/6/6 heirs.
Crusader missions are also available if you form Jerusalem


The first thing any aspiring crusader needs is a Crusader Fleet, for the journey to the Holy Land would surely be a disastrous undertaking on foot. 25% Galley Combat Ability might just give you the edge you need assault the shores of Syria. With your righteous army on terra firma, you should consider whether to head straight for Jerusalem or whether it would be wiser to first establish a base of operations at Antioch. A successful crusade for Antioch will give you the chance to restore the Hospitaller Order to their former glory, granting the city to the Knights and making them your vassals. If you are already playing as the Knights, you’ll permanently gain 10% Land Morale and 10% total Manpower. Of course you could simply keep the city for yourself and receive some Prestige, Army Tradition, and Papal Influence. Jerusalem however is the ultimate goal for any true crusader. This would be a good time to reveal that we have a new government reform for players that form Jerusalem:

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Tooltip is still WIP as is currently doesn't show that it grants religious CBs.

The Crusader State government reform (and legacy government) is exclusive to a Catholic Jerusalem and enables the Crusade and Cleansing of Heresy CBs, as well as giving a bonus to manpower recovery speed. It is available to both monarchies and theocracies. You can also create Custom Nations with the government type, though it comes at a point cost of 50 to offset how powerful these CBs can be given your choice of starting positions.

Extending the crusade to encompass all of the Kingdom of Heaven will aid you in your mission to Convert the Holy Land. You’ll also be tasked with a new target for your crusade: Egypt, the Land of Moses, with the goal of establishing a Catholic Archbishopric at Alexandria. In Egypt you’ll hear of rumors of a certain long-lost relic thought to reside in far Abyssinia...

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What revelations await those who would dare to open the Ark?

The quest for the Holy Land is not the only goal for the Crusader States. Greece must also be liberated from the heathen, and you must convince the Pope to sponsor a new crusade against the Turks. With a Foothold in Greece, you must restore the Latin Empire of Constantinople. The so-called Latin Empire was a product of the 4th Crusade, in which crusading armies decided to sack Constantinople and depose the Byzantines rather than reclaiming the Holy Land as they were tasked to do. We decided against adding a new formable nation for this purpose, but nonetheless you are charged with taking up its mantle.

There is one more grave danger facing Christendom: the menace of the Barbary Pirates operating from the coast of North Africa. Greece is not the most convenient base of operations for a crusade against the pirates, so you must negotiate with the rulers of Malta for ownership of the island. Malta must be equipped to deal with the pirate onslaught; construct a suitable defense and marvel as your enemies break upon its shores with a 50% local defensiveness modifier. With Malta armed and ready, it’s time to take the fight to the pirates. A Base in Africa must be established along the Tunisian or Libyan coast, and from there you’ll launch a grand Crusade Against Piracy, dominating the North African coast and making the seas safe for Christian travelers. Your own nation will be rewarded with a permanent boost to Naval Morale and Light Ship Trade Power. The seas offer opportunity for more than just pirates. This is the age of discovery, and there will surely be a need for Knights of the New World! Colonize any province in North or South America, and prepare to embark on a perilous journey to discover the legendary Fountain of Youth with the aid of a highly skilled Scottish conquistador. What wonders you’ll find on your quest I cannot say, but if the Fountain truly does exist it must be kept out of the wrong hands by any means necessary.

And that’s a wrap for today. We’re now entering the period of summer holidays at Paradox, but that won’t mean the end of dev diaries. I’ll still be around for the summer (compensating with a long winter vacation), and during that time we’ll be writing smaller dev diaries with a focus on a single country - like a mission tree plus some relevant content for that nation. Our first candidate will most likely be Naples. After the summer however we plan to start revealing some of the major reworks and features coming up in the European update, so stay tuned for more.
 
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Habsburg control of both Spain an the HRE was a huge influence in this era and a huge determining factor in French foreign policy, even scandalously driving them to ally the Ottomans. Not to give them a PU mission is just outrageous.

Will there also perhaps be a better way to spread the Habsburg blood unique to Austria, because right now there isn't any way to really do that beyond RNG and dumb luck. Perhaps if Austria is royal married to a nation without an heir an event can fire with a mtth of say 5 months where they can get a Habsburg heir, not dissimilar to the event Spain gets.

Can you also please make the AI more actively pursue their missions (they don't seem to make an effort), I think it would lead to better historical outcomes and there will still be some randomness. I think it would greatly help with Spain colonising Brazil and Portugal the Caribbean etc. Or at the very least give some more weighting for where the colonial powers colonise. Too often do I see Spain derping around in Africa while Portugal conquers Peru.

Also, please do a revisit of the Iberian map and Portuguese ideas. I'm not thrilled with Golden Century and I believe these are a gross oversight and basic things left out in favour of some pirate fantasy and the New World.
 
How about this:
If Spain ever finds itself without an heir, an event happens, giving them a Habsburg ruler and makes them historical friends with Austria. After Charles V, the two Habsburg realms weren't united anyway.
If Spain's Habsburg line ever dies out, Austria gains all Spain's HRE provinces (in case Spain gets the Burgundian Inheritance). The latter could also be forced by an event if Spain ever gets an awful ruler, which would make the Spanish Habsburgs die out and remove the historical friendship.
 
Charles V was the King of Spain before being HRE or Archduke of Austria. It was even listed well before being Archduke in his full titulature. If anything, Castile/Spain should get a mission and some DHE to PU Austria which leaves them with the Habsburgs on the throne and has high potential (near impossible for AI) to break.

Then again, to fully make things work, you'd probably have to rework the Burgundian inheritance to create a Habsburgs Netherlands if a country ruled by the Habsburgs gets it. Charles V used it's wealth to help fuel is ambitions.



Speak for yourself. New missions are always nice. As it stands, it's a bit of a let down to play countries with the small, unique trees compared to the massive ones. Playing the generic ones is even worse.

Yeah, that was true before mission trees, but it's outright demoralizing now that we can see them all.
perhaps King of Spain was the more prestigious title, and perhaps it came first in his list of titles, but it was clearly not Spain enforcing hegemony over Austria. nor would anyone at the time have talked about the Spanish Empire including Austria, it's nonsense.

Obviously the situation is more complex than it appears on the surface, with the Habsburg lines splitting between Spain and Austria, which can't be represented through in-game mechanics. But it just further illustrates the inadequacy of the Personal Union system in EU4.
 
Hungary got a whole update to itself last year.

Yes hungary got one which barely did anything for hungary like the black army simply unafordable and if I recal correctly that is the time slovaks and Transylvanian culture got added which is a nerf for hungary (releasable tags/potential rebels/diplo point cost to convert). The only two positive changes I can recall is that Hungary now can declare war without waiting around on regency and the bohemian rebels. On the other hand ottos get a buf in nearly all updates some more direct like 33% sige ability while some not direct. an example would be buffing albania sounds nice to try to make them playable but in reality they are ottoman food same with the byzantines (as they are too weak to have a chance and they cant even try to get allies as even if they get hungary and austria together they would still lose) and buffing them in general is a buff to the ottomans.
 
Conquest of Otranto is rather small detail, I wish Ottomans especially had something about religious orders, sipahi caste, mediterrenean piracy, Wien siege, eritrea conquests, indian and sea expeditions which would add up great detail.
This is very great tree:
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I used to play with that mod, but those damn rewards are so OP.

Also, are they adding Bosnian culture? Sorry if I didn't catch it, I'm not fully awake yet.
 
With a Foothold in Greece, you must restore the Latin Empire of Constantinople. The so-called Latin Empire was a product of the 4th Crusade, in which crusading armies decided to sack Constantinople and depose the Byzantines rather than reclaiming the Holy Land as they were tasked to do. We decided against adding a new formable nation for this purpose, but nonetheless you are charged with taking up its mantle.

So, no new tag? If fulfilled, this mission would make your country an empire then?
 
perhaps King of Spain was the more prestigious title, and perhaps it came first in his list of titles, but it was clearly not Spain enforcing hegemony over Austria. nor would anyone at the time have talked about the Spanish Empire including Austria, it's nonsense.

Obviously the situation is more complex than it appears on the surface, with the Habsburg lines splitting between Spain and Austria, which can't be represented through in-game mechanics. But it just further illustrates the inadequacy of the Personal Union system in EU4.

Well, PUs aren't about enforcing total hegemony yet. That's what integration is for. Also, while being a more prestigious title, it was also the title he held before becoming Archduke.

The later part of my post talking about how it should be event driven to generally prevent the union from being sustainable was to address the historical end of the it. I like the thought of Spain and Austria becoming Historical Friends if they share a dynasty. You're also right about how inadequate the PU system is for portraying history.
 
Wow, such a meaty DD! Serbian missions look very well-versed, and i'm surprised by the number of missions it gets! Someone's been doing some good reading @Ofaloaf @neondt

I have a few questions:
- Adding Bosnian culture is something that shouldn't be controversial given the standard and current scope and depth of cultures in the game. But i hope this doesn't mean that every province in Bosnia is of Bosnian culture?
- Will the map be subjected to review and/or possibly some changes until release? There's not too much work to be done in order to satisfy almost nearly every user that has some legitimate concerns about the map.
 
Whatever you do they won't add an Italian campaign mission tree starts with the castle of Otranto in southeastern Naples -historically conquered by Turks- and eventually targets the city of ROME for Turkish Empire.

Because they don't have a courage to do that, but at the same time they add fantasy missions for all of Ottoman neighbour countries such as Hungary, Poland, Austria, Serbia.. on Ottoman Balkans.

Poland never conquered any land from Turkish Empire in history but they have permanent claims over Balkans.
Hungary same, Wallachia same, Serbia same.... and now we have Austrian fantasy missions they never conquered in history.

But at the same time Turkish Empire doesnt even have permanent claims on over their historical lands. There is no mission for Moldova, Ukraine, Western Persia including entire Azerbaijan, Cyprus...

And the current ones like claim on Budapest which is historically a Turkish city for 170 years are not even permanent.

Dev team needs to do 2 tasks. First changing normal claims with permanent claims in current Ottoman missions. Second they need to add so-called fantasy missions to Turkish Empire too. (fantasy missions= historically never happened)

And Italy is a good choice for this. Mehmed the Conqueror raised over a hundred thousand soldiers and he was planning to start a campaign in newly conquered Italian land Otranto targets all over southern Italy according to some historians but he suddenly died from some hearth attack. Some historians believed he was poisoned by his doctor because either he was a Papal spy or an Ulema because Mehmed was not so pious and not liked by the Ulema and other religious class at that time.
I agree. And they need to nerf to the ground Ottoman might. That country that was never able to beat single handedly a great west European power and can kick 3 of them together into the game. That country that was bullied by the Albanese and the Moldavian should never be able to be the OPest country in the game. Ho and we need a great rework on Crusades mechanics so we can finally have some real fight between minors Europeans and Ottomans.

Guess you finally don't want those legit changes you were begging for.
 
"Serbia will have to find ways to deal with the myriad cultures of the Balkans (including Bosnians, a new addition reflective of pre-Ottoman Medieval Bosnian culture)"

For the love of God i hope we don't get another ahistorical culture in EUIV timeframe like we got the Bosnians in CK2. They quite literally held a council in September of 1993 and decided to call themselvs Bosnians, prior to that they were simply called Muslims. If a nation had to officially decide on how it is going to be called at the very end of the 20th century then there is no point in discussing it's existance 600 year prior to that event. Bosnians have their place in (hopefully) future Victoria III, because that is the timeframe when their nationality started to take shape (and only after the occupation of Bosnia by AH).

I understand why Bosnian muslims insist on being represented, since their sense of national consciousness and belonging is still an ongoing process, but it really has no place in EUIV (nor CK2 for that matter). Please pdox, modern day politics don't belong in EUIV.

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Also from simple game play perspective, i don't need to comment on braking up the already small South Slavic culture into more cultures that will hold one province.
 
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Neondt, are you on god telling us Austria can't get PUs on Spain but France can? All this while indulging on what-if Austrialasia scenarios?
I'm not saying I disagree with you about a mission for Austria to PU Spain, but Austria getting Spain as a junior PU partner is a what-if scenario as well. During Charles V's reign, the senior partner was quite clearly Spain, and Spain can get a PU with Austria through one of its missions. And there already are events that put a Habsburg on the Spanish throne.
 
I'm not saying I disagree with you about a mission for Austria to PU Spain, but Austria getting Spain as a junior PU partner is a what-if scenario as well. During Charles V's reign, the senior partner was quite clearly Spain, and Spain can get a PU with Austria through one of its missions. And there already are events that put a Habsburg on the Spanish throne.
But Spain was eventually ruled by a von Habsburg; an Austrian dynasty (which started out as as Swiss), quite bound to the Austrian heartland.

Austria should really be the senior in this case. For gameplay's sake.
 
So the real question: given that Morgan Black can now go to the New World, does this mean the Circle of Ossus is also being added?