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EU4 - Development Diary - 30th of April 2019

Good day and welcome to this week's EU4 Dev Diary. Last week we briefly covered Custom Nation desires. Let's go through some of the feedback on it here:

Some nations' national ideas have two ideas in one slot, what's your opinion on adding that to nation designer?

I'm a tad unsatisfied with NI sets with repeating bonuses, and it's generally something you see on older NIs. I'd rather do away with them, but for Custom Nations, we already give the player the ability to turn up ideas to a high degree at extra cost. I'm not convinced that we want to add repeating ideas, even at additional cost.

Please more colours for flags and country on the map! Also let CN import a mission three from a tag, at a cost in ponts.

Another idea: how about giving custom nations access to custom national mission trees? I guess letting you actually design a mission tree sounds like a work for a medium-sized expansion itself.

Expanding the CN feature to allow for custom or imported mission trees would likely balloon in work required quickly. I feel you on the colours issue though.

In-game options when devs?

I will keep asking this as part of my duty to get it through to devs that us players desperately want this so we can customize our playthroughs.

If you mean Game Options akin to CK2, then I'm going to have to disappoint you, as that is not in our plans.

It baffles me how France has such a high playrate. Dosen't it get boring starting so strong?

Also Ming, which literally defeats the purpose of playing.

Relatability is a hell of a drug.

English monarchy and steppe horde are broken with custom nations in random nations settings. The reason is in the government reform file the reform is set to appear if the country already has the reform when it should be set to appear if it has ever had the reform.

Interesting, thanks for the heads up, I'll look into these issues.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, add the converter religions into the nation designer. I am perfectly happy for them to ONLY be available to custom nations if you don't feel like they are fleshed out enough to add them as actual religions via the existing heretic rebels

We'll look into this, I think it'd be a cool touch.

Custom portraits for rulers would add immersion

I just want Ruler/General/Admiral/Explorer/Conquistador portraits and more personalities for these characters. Please. Pretty please.

EU4 is a nation focused game, rather than a character focused one, so we're not big on such things. Advisors, as instruments of state, are about the only people given faces. While you'll see rulers (and all sorts of other characters) in portraits in CK2 and Imperator, they are not going to make an appearance in EU4.


I'd really like to see the culture mapmode on the start screen to help make the custom nations.

Culture map-painting is the patrician level of expansion, so I agree.

More custom nation achievements please. I wouldn't hate the addition of some random world achievements either. Ideas guy is one of the best achievements out there because there are so many different paths you can choose for doing it.

Spot on. Ideas Guy is one of the most inspiring Achievements and more are desired.

Serbian Flavour pack? Missions related to the reconquest of lands held by Tsar Stefan Dusan and expansion in the balkans, Serbia was an important regional power in the area and theyre a bit underrepresented *crie

The focus of the Expansion is from Brest to Byzantium, which encapsulates Serbia. Their time in the flavour limelight is now.

Hey EU IV devs do you planing any changes in ruler/Royal Families/PU system in upcoming European expansion?

In a concise but disappointing response, we do not have this planned for the upcoming expansion/


So what do we have today? A bit of a smorgasbord as it happens. First of all, back in January we talked a bit about 4K support / scalable UI for EU4. It's currently not the prettiest of games when played on a 4K screen, and we've been investigating it lately.

Here is the EU4 experience on a 4K monitor at 100% UI scale:

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and up to 150%:

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and now for 175%:

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We have some kinks to iron out, but we're onto a winner here for making EU4 more timeless for the every growing % of players who have upgraded beyond the traditional batting grounds of 1080p

I want to talk about a couple other aspirations we have for the upcoming European expansion. In the giant end of year dev diary, there were a couple things that we said we wanted to address, namely:

  • The HRE system, which is largely unchanged from EU3 needs to evolve
  • Make Catholicism and the Pope feel like a force to be reckoned with, rather than just another colour of Christianity and country
Let's take the HRE first. The Holy Roman Empire has not really been needing change, leading to it's relative state of persistence for so long. It functions well as an entity for keeping such a historically fractured region jumbled and offers an interesting challenge on expansion with varied approaches on dealing with it, so for all intents and purposes it has a job and it does it without huge complaint.

The caveat here however is that this has been a satisfactory situation for a while, but as we have enriched much of the world around it, the HRE has become less interesting in comparison. When we wrote up pillars for what we want to do in the upcoming expansion and update, we came up with the following:

Revitalize the play in the HRE that hasn’t changed much. Make the empire feel alive filled with bickering princes.

Does it feel this way right now? Not to the point that we are currently satisfied with. As a member state, becoming Emperor is a cool aspiration, but as Emperor, aside from some cool strengths you get, it doesn't feel like you have much in the way of interesting choices to make to run the Empire as you envision. Granted in such a decentralized mass, not all should be so keen to follow your law, but we want to open up the Holy Roman experience to allow for more meaningful and dynamic situations. The Emperor should have some sway in the Burgundian Situation. A powerful Pope should lead to meaningful conflict between Empire and Italy beyond the Shadow Kingdom event. The formation and consolidation of the powerful Prussian state should be a matter of concern for the Emperor and Princes. What if Switzerland wish to abandon the HRE?

These are the occurrences that we aspire to model as dynamically as we can within the HRE, and are dabbling with good ways to simulate this in the game.

Another evident issue with HRE play, one that can be seen by playing as Emperor or talking to anyone who has, is that the final reform feels like a trap. An army of HRE subjects to unleash on your foes and carve up the map as you see fit? Now that's an enjoyable reward for reigning in the Empire, however smashing that final reform, absorbing the entire empire and losing all the effects you've built up, considerably less so. While we don't have the exact details, we see this as something that should be split: where there is a clear path for reform in the HRE, either towards decentralized power or all land under one ruler, so that players don't feel the need to purposefully hold back on completing the HRE reform path.


Regarding Catholicism, both the religion and the head of the faith are in need of attention, and the attention is two-fold, both gameplay and flavour.

In terms of gameplay, Catholicism is widely considered a poor choice of religion. If you are not the Curia Controller, it is a very weak religion, and if you are the Curia Controller, then it's a strange state where you actually want there to be as few other Catholics as possible so that you can hoard this power for yourself. Add to this the fact that the Pope himself is, by and large, just treated as another country, and not the mighty head of a faith that he deserves to be (as I have been masterfully lectured by @Duplo )

When it comes to flavour, Catholicism has far been left in the lurch in terms of interesting content when compared to pretty much all other forms of Christianity.

Catholicism is one of the main focuses, fittingly for this European expansion and update. In a nutshell we want to empower Catholicism against the already tantalizing Protestantism, such that union between the Catholic faith adds to its strength, where the Pope and/or Curia Controller himself can take action in favour of the entire faith (or potentially lining their own filthy pockets) and take action in response to the growing threat posed by the reformation. Currently, Reform Desire does little outside of igniting the reformation, we would like to make the mechanic more engaging for Pope and Catholics alike, such that they are incentivized to combat or grant concessions against the rift.

These are our aspirations at least, with regards to HRE and Catholicism. How do you feel about them in the game currently and what would you most like to see?


Now, we've been talking about design, quality of life and content aspirations for a few months now, which has been very much our goal and quite fun from our end, but I think we all are keen to get to some content. This will be our last week of such aspiration dev diaries: from next week onwards, we'll start showing off map work, content work and features/fixes/QoL for our upcoming European Update and Expansion.

Let's tease as I so often like to do, with a cheeky preview screenshot for next week:

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What if Switzerland wish to abandon the HRE?
Darn Brexit references are everywhere these days. :p
Jokes aside, I really like the addition of Regensburg and the concept of revitalizing the HRE, but I am also concerned, as I feel that the HRE is one of the most interesting element of the game. Any time one plays in Europe, one has to consider the situation in the HRE. The point here is, that meddling with the HRE runs the risk that if it isn't done rigth, it may end up breaking a very important aspect of the game. For now, I hope it will be done right and will enrich the experience.
 
If you are already touching the Curia and Catholicism. I have to point out that for me, one of the flaws of the current mechanism (Curia controller) is its luck based factors which leads to frustration or just a variable that you can't really factor into your strategy. The current UI is also not helping in a sense that you need to keep sorting to understand your position, etc.
I would defiantly consider ditching this old system all together to something more compelling.
 
If you are already touching the Curia and Catholicism. I have to point out that for me, one of the flaws of the current mechanism (Curia controller) is its luck based factors which leads to frustration or just a variable that you can't really factor into your strategy. The current UI is also not helping in a sense that you need to keep sorting to understand your position, etc.
I would defiantly consider ditching this old system all together to something more compelling.
Also, it would be great if you could see on the map where are the seats of the cardinals. There could be some tiny cross or bishop hat on the province with cardinal in religion mapmode.
 
Any chance the Lost Balkans RNW scenario could have Lost Serbia and Lost Bosnia have the Slavic religion, instead of Animist?

Yeah I know it's random but this has been bugging me since the RNW revamp.
 
Do you guys have any plans to make becoming the curia controller with less rng? Like a bribe with money and/or monarch points (monarch points would be better for smaller nations with a weak economy) button, where you can try to bribe the cardinals. Currently, staying Catholic is only desireable when you are a big guy like Spain, Austria or France
 
Mhhh is that München and Landshut being owned by the same person?

I hope that isn't the game start because that would be rather disappointing. München and Landshut were the most powerful seperate branches. And what about Straubing? Seems to be owned by someone else again? Weird. They died out before gamestart leading to the burgundians gaining the pu over Holland and Hainaut.
@neondt
 
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Do you guys have any plans to make becoming the curia controller with less rng? Like a bribe with money and/or monarch points (monarch points would be better for smaller nations with a weak economy) button, where you can try to bribe the cardinals. Currently, staying Catholic is only desireable when you are a big guy like Spain, Austria or France
Well when it comes to the papal elections there was Jus exclusivae (or papal veto) when certain monarch deemed a particular candidate for the papacy objectionable.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_exclusivae
It could function as counter mechanic against the papal states reform mechanic I mentioned earlier. The church will want for the papal states to become permanent curia controller and powerful countries will want to exploit papacy and get their cardinal elected.

Also, it should be possible for the pope to "betray" curia controller. For example, if curia controller declares war on the papal states or even conquers provinces from them then the papal states would automatically become papal controller. The pope won't be loyal to it's country anymore.
 
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Sounds pretty cool, Pope right now feels pretty weak and I agree that some sort of reforms within the Church would be historical and pretty fun. After all, Papacy was not so eager about expanding themselves as their religion. Playing Pope should be about meddling in politics of Catholic nations and trying to expand Catholic Churches influence while protecting sovereignty of Papacy in Papal States.

Also, as a side note, Byzantium's government was Catholic during EU4 period, while people were mostly Orthodox. Union of Florence made Byzantine Emperors re-unite with Catholics because they expected help. Perhaps this could be expanded on, to actually give Byzantium some chance or at least make them historically Catholic as state (while province would remain Orthodox).
 
Also, as I explained here, in an older dev diary, Papal states should be weaker in conquest because they always conquer most of Italy, they shouldn't be as agressive as all the other countries.

Especially Papal states should have special influence over clergy in all countries that have Catholic provinces (not just Catholic countries). The Papal states are other problem. They should be much weaker when it comes to conquest but stronger in diplomacy. It doesn't make sense that Pope conquers most of Italy every time they ally a strong country. They are too aggressive. Pope should have higher aggressive expansion and opinion of Catholic countries should rapidly decrease, if he conquers Catholic provinces that are under Catholic rule. But he should be stronger in defense and diplomacy. For example the Papal states could be able to use missionaries as diplomats. And as I already wrote, influence clergy. Also, the Catholic defender of faith shouldn't be able to conquer Papal provinces or declare war on them. If he does, he will lose the title.
 
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Speaking of the HRE, I think it would be neat if there was an add to the empire" peace deal option available to the emperor and empire members to force the one accepting the deal to join the empire, of course the emperor should also have a say in this so that heathens or heretics do not get added willy nilly, maybe if he rejects the addition he gets an opinion penalty with who tried to add somebody else.
 
Mhhh is that München and Landshut being owned by the same person?

I hope that isn't the game start because that would be rather disappointing. München and Landshut were the most powerful seperate branches. And what about Straubing? Seems to be owned by someone else again? Weird. They died out before gamestart leading to the burgundians gaining the pu over Holland and Hainaut.
It's probably Freising (which was also a prince-bishopric), not München. It might even deserve its own tag.

But, yes, Bavaria has been split up. I see a smaller Ingolstadt and some divisions (with new tags) which look like this:
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HRE and Catholic religion being addressed? Hell yes!
IF you guys tell me the Teutonic/Livonian Orders will get some nifty updates as well, I'll be able to die in peace :p
 
HRE and Catholic religion being addressed? Hell yes!
IF you guys tell me the Teutonic/Livonian Orders will get some nifty updates as well, I'll be able to die in peace :p
They won't. The Baltic isn't part of this update.
 
Though we just see a tiny edge of the map, are the map updates set in stone or are you willing to listen to remarks of the player base?
 
Can you please change Albania’ capital from Lezhë (Alessio) to Krujë(Croia). Lezhë was a ventian controlled fort and the place where the league was held as a neutral castle to all albanias princes. Krujë was the actual capital of The Kastrioti family and Skanderbeg which can be easly backed by the three major seiges it held against the Ottomans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Krujë_(1450)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Krujë_(1466–1467)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Krujë_(1467)
 
I wonder if we'll see all of the map-changes in one go or a region a week.
 
I think it would be useful to enable Catholics to sabotage each other to the Curia system. Mostly it seems to be about getting the papacy to support you rather than allowing you to strike directly at your rivals within the Church.

Similarly, there aren't that many benefits to being Catholic if you are not in Europe due to how the Curia works. It might be a good idea to allow other states, such as Otomo or Kongo compete for the College as well (although perhaps with a few maluses?).