EU4 - Development Diary - 30th of January 2018

[Grand Historian]

that sounds like it should be tolerant instead

That would be even worse.

 

[Bearjuden]

Gold and silver should be split up with the latter bringing in less money per shipment. There should be a chain of events that causes inflation due to precious metals pouring into europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_revolution

The picture is gold but iirc in the description it refers to the trade good as precious metals. Besides, there's no meaningful difference - I've been compiling some thoughts on economics in the game, and while they weren't interchangeable for regular use of commoners, there's no reason in game to actually separate them. Both were used to mint coins (as was copper, if you were in Venice towards the end of the bullion crisis - ie when the game starts), and putting in two (or three) different kinds of coins is just pointless complication. Doubly so when the money in game doesn't actually mean anything, 1 gold isn't worth any hard number of real life ducats or pounds or what have you.

In other words, putting in silver wouldn't add anything to the game that isn't already in it.

 

[lionboy33]

I hope that Consorts play a greater role now that you can divorce/marry them with the Anglican mechanics. Maybe finally make heir stats not totally random but based on their mother/fathers?

 

[Piotrzeci]

Does every country following Anglican religion get to "click the buttons" or is just England/GB as their King is the Head of the religion?

 

[Insigna]

Can Anglican Britain become leader of the protestant league? If the protestant league wins can they become holy Roman empire, or are they like Reformed in this context?

 

[Alerias]

Danish Britain, as there's more than one sea-zone in the way.

Gotcha, Denmark gotta conquer the Lowlands and a province in northwest Germany and they're good to go

 

[Atlantians]

@DDRJake,

Will Anglican, Reformed, and Protestant Churches have higher approval of each other than Catholics?

It makes no sense for Reformed, Protestant, and Anglican nations to get the same negative modifier against each other that they get against Catholic nations.

 

[HMS Temeraire]

Anglicanism itself grants lower development cost and better conversion rates against heretics and like Protestantism gives you a Church of <Country Name> with its own church power. Instead of adding aspects to your church though, there are direct actions you can take to gain money, mercantilism or stability for your realm. For For Rights of Man owners, two more options will be available much to your consort's dismay. You can immediately divorce your unworthy partner and marry a new local noble.

Can Anglicanism use "aspect" mechanic like Protestantism?

 

[Meneth]

Gotcha, Denmark gotta conquer the Lowlands and a province in northwest Germany and they're good to go

Yep!

 

[AlexandruRadu]

Also they seem to have changed the mission UI in-between the last dev diary and now, it went from the old no mission selected notification to the icon used for missions in the UI.

 

[moscal]

The game shouldn't be balanced purely for multiplayer. By this logic, every nation in the game should get military bonuses so people in multiplayer play them. If it's that much of an issue, you could easily create a mod to add in military bonuses. Keep in mind, if one religion is marginally better than the other then everyone will switch to that.

Many things in EU4 was changed because was conclusions from MP. Eg reduction of speed of regeneration Manpower in early EU4 was conclusions from MP in EU3 (manpower had small importance), elimination of the Ottoman bonus in religious wars or consolidation of France had sources in conclusions from MP in EU4.

MP players' point of view should not be ignored.

 

[durbal]

Whilst it's not wrong per se, it is somewhat anachronisitic considering the cross was only discovered in 1867.

And was itself made wayyyyyyyyyyy before the Catholic church was the form it was in EU4. Nobody in EU4's timeline knew of it at all...

 

[durbal]

And church doctrines never interfered with politics in those times, as anybody knows.

Oh right, the great Lutheran-Anglican wars. Forgot about those.

You're making my point for me here. The reason Anglicanism was lumped into Protestantism as a game mechanic is so we're not going to have the silliness (heretics) that's going to occur by making it separate. It's a pointless mechanic at best and wholly detrimental at worst.

The reformation mechanics allowed the game to encompass historical events and use them as inspiration to simulate history. The reason why the reformation occurred was political, not doctrinal, so first taking doctrinal changes as a foregone conclusion and having that affect politics is really putting the cart before the horse.

I mean, c'mon, there's going to be Anglicanism in a game where Henry VIII isn't around. That's the reason England tends to just go generic protestant: because of annoyances dealing with a foreign power -- the pope -- which prompted Henry VIII to take action. The 'foreign pope' problem created the reformation in and outside of England, not the individual detail of a certain king wanting a divorce.

 

[Doctor Arheo]

@WJM989 Google Image Search and the wikipedia article for the Anglican Communion disagree. This is the image that appears to be the Anglican symbol: View attachment 331602

The Anglican Communion is not equal to Anglicanism. The anglican communion was an organisation started in the 19th century for the purposes of worldwide evangelism.

 

[durbal]

Wouldn't naming Protestant, Lutheran and Reformed, Calvinist still work even if they spawn in a different region, because they also draw their name from the doctrines and beliefs of their real world founders? Regardless of where Lutheran and Calvinist centers of reformation spawn they will still follow the religious doctrines and rules established by their real world founders and would thus have a reason to be named as such.

Also can we have an achievement for owning coal provinces as a revolutionary nation? You could Call it "Dual Revolution" or something.

Hussites? Quakers? Shakers? Presbyterians? Methodists?

Are we finally seeing why the reformation religions are treated as they are?

 

[ninjabunnyzz]

Hey just thought I would put an idea forward for the Anglican religion. As people seem to be angry at it not being overpowered, nor as good militarily when compared to the other Christian faiths. Possibly adding a large buff to colonization would be in order. The religious persecution in Britain of any non-Anglicans was a huge factor that convinced people to leave for the British colonies in the new world. This would make it easier to represent the huge populations of British colonies when compared to the other European Colonizers.

 

[AlexandruRadu]

Hey just thought I would put an idea forward for the Anglican religion. As people seem to be angry at it not being overpowered, nor as good militarily when compared to the other Christian faiths. Possibly adding a large buff to colonization would be in order. The religious persecution in Britain of any non-Anglicans was a huge factor that convinced people to leave for the British colonies in the new world. This would make it easier to represent the huge populations of British colonies when compared to the other European Colonizers.

Wouldn't that mechanic then have the downside of colonized provinces being of the wrong religion? Or some sort of other mechanic to represent the high number of non-Anglicans?

 

[Soladept]

For people discussing the British Isles and coal.

One of the reasons the UK was at the front of the industrial revolution was that it had a lot of easily accessible coal, a lot of the worlds coal you look at now was not accessible during the early days of industrialization because it required technology like steam pumps and other tech that didn’t get developed right away, yes, there may be lots of coal in Europe and other continents but you should be asking, is this coal that we could use during the timeframe of the game?

 

[AlexandruRadu]

Hussites? Quakers? Shakers? Presbyterians? Methodists?

Are we finally seeing why the reformation religions are treated as they are?

Of the ones you named Hussites could benefit from being their own religion, Quakers and Shakers were minority branches that had next to no chance to ever become the majority faith or a region and the Presbyterians and Methodists were both influenced by Calvin and for a variety of others reasons would be best served by being represented as reformed.

And as an aside I really don't see how your contributing to the discussion by being so passive aggressive, maybe I just don't get it, but what exactly do you intend to do by maintaining that tone?

 

[Ismael R Murias]

So if i got it correctly you can build furnaces in coal producing provinces, giving you a +5% Good Produced globally. Is it accumulative? Can I get a +250% Good Produced if I own the 50 of them?