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EU4 - Development Diary - 7th of May 2019

Hi there and welcome to another dev diary for EU4. I am Pierre, I’ve been part of the EU4 Content Design team since December, and I feel honoured to be able to give you your first peeks at the new content we are making for the big European update and expansion we have planned for the end of the year.

This is the first of several dev diaries that will focus on the map changes we have made, giving large parts of the European map a much-needed revamp. I’ll be starting with Germany (which for purely arbitrary reasons shall for today include Switzerland and Bohemia, but not Austria). As @neondt stated in an earlier dev diary, our aim was not to recreate Voltaire’s Nightmare or to populate the entire HRE map with OPMs (this would have been eminently possible) but rather to create more depth and more interesting gameplay situations within it, righting various wrongs and finding ways to better represent the various dynamics of the empire’s territories along the way.

As with previous patches, all map changes shown here will be part of the free patch. In previous map previews, we have often revealed the idea groups of the new tags, and rest assured we will be adding new ideas to replace the generic German ones. However, the work to do so still lies in the future, so in the meantime I’d just like to give a shoutout to this thread – if you want to know what we are looking for in terms of threads suggesting new idea groups, look no further.

So without further ado…

South Germany

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The lack of primogeniture in Bavaria until the 1500s led to several splits of the Duchy in the 14th century before its reunification in 1503. At game start, Wittelsbach Bavaria is divided between Munich, Landshut and Ingolstadt, who will have to fight it out for the duchy (or hope they inherit it). However, Bavaria can console itself with the fact that, once united, it will have considerably more resources at its disposal than in 1.28, with new provinces in Innbaiern (modern Innviertel, ceded to Austria in 1779; capital: Braunau), Freising, Rosenheim and Donauwörth (which has Swabian culture and is a releasable tag). We hope for Bavaria to become a strong power within the HRE in the next patch. To make this more likely, we will be adding DHEs such as this one to the Bavarian sub-duchies:

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Also new to Bavaria is the inclusion of Regensburg as a Free City and Passau as a Bishopric. At present, the latter is a vassal under Munich, since historically Munich’s territories more or less surrounded Passau and we do not wish the latter to be easy food for Bohemia or Austria. Finally, Salzburg (already in the Bavarian geographic area) now has Bavarian culture, which more correctly represents its situation in 1444 – it was part of the Bavarian Circle and was only annexed by Austria as late as 1805.

Moving south, the large province of Tirol has been split in several pieces, with the independent County of Bregenz (currently Austrian culture) to the west representing one of the more challenging starting positions in the HRE (they have 5 development and an heir with low legitimacy). The main province has been further split between Inntal (capital: Innsbruck) and Etschtal (capital: Meran).

Switzerland, too, has seen a makeover. The Swiss Confederacy was a growing power in the 15th century but was not yet close to controlling all of what would become Switzerland. Whilst we elected not to start with individual independent Swiss Cantons (this would simply make them easy prey for Austria, Milan, Savoy and Burgundy), we did split off the largest independent force, the Three Leagues. In the process, Graubünden was split to become Illanz and Chur, and Fribourg/Freiburg was added west of Bern.

Finally, Swabia has seen considerable changes. Firstly, Austria’s holdings in Swabia (or “Further Austria” are better represented, with Breisgau now being ruled by Austria, as it was in history. Baden has been compensated with the addition of Durlach (which would later become Karlsruhe) to its north. Wurttemberg, which was the largest territorial state in Swabia but somehow is an OPM with 6 development in EU4, now has a new province in the form of Urach (capital: Reutlingen) and a substantial buff in terms of development. Additionally, Ravensburg has been swapped for the Free City of Konstanz, Alsace is now the Bishopric of Strasbourg, the new tag of Mulhouse has been added to represent the Decapolis in southern Alsace, and Ulm is no longer wildly mislocated.

To add a bit more interest to the area, states of Swabian culture will now be able to form Swabia.

Central Germany and Bohemia

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Saxony has been given several new provinces but has also been split in two. Like Bavaria, Saxony did not have primogeniture; unlike Bavaria, Saxony never fully resolved this issue. As a result, in the 15th century, it was split several times, with the end result being the Treaty of Leipzig in 1485, where Saxony was split between the two brothers Ernest and Albert on lines similar to those displayed on the map above, except that both continued calling themselves Saxony and Ernest (Thuringia) gained Wittenberg and the Electorate. Thuringia/Ernestine Saxony later lost the Electorate to (Albertine) Saxony and split into many, many pieces. This all lies in the future in 1444 (via several planned DHEs), so the current division is based on that in 1445 between the brothers Friedrich and Wilhelm. Thuringia starts under PU by Saxony, but there will be several events which will make it a difficult subject to keep quiet for Saxony. New provinces are Zwickau in Saxony and three in Thuringia (previously one province with low development), which is now much better represented by Erfurt (Mainz has a core on this province to represent certain historical complexities), Weimar and Coburg (Franconian culture).

Franconia has seen a few more provinces and tags added. Most importantly, Franconia itself is now a formable tag if you manage to unite the Franconian lands. This is however easier said than done as Franconia now includes two Free Cities and lands owned by strong neighbours (i.e. Coburg by Thuringia). Würzburg, the titular holders of the duchy, remain the strongest power, with a new province in Fulda (Rhenish i.e. Hessian culture) and vassal in Bamberg. Their main rivals, Ansbach, now have Bayreuth as their junior partners in PU. They are now also bordered on the west by Rothenburg, another new Free City. Finally, the large province of Mainz has been split and the new Franconian culture province of Aschaffenburg has been added.

Moving West, @Ofaloaf did some pyrotechnics to the lower Rhineland map to make space to squeeze in Jülich (owned by Berg). The Palatinate has a new province in Zweibrücken, and although Hessen has no new provinces, its provinces have been renamed to Oberhessen and Niederhessen, with Niederhessen (Kassel) now the capital and more affluent province.

Finally, Bohemia, like other regions, has gained some new provinces. Lusatia has been split in three (with Oberlausitz split between Bautzen and Görlitz). This has allowed us to make Lusatia an area and releasable tag, with the provinces now having Sorbian culture. Silesia, as you can see, has been split in two between Glogau and Opole. Silesia the tag still exists and can be formed by a Silesian country that owns all of Silesia and is not a subject. Bohemia and Moravia have seen three more provinces added, with space being made for Jindrichuv Hradec, Pardubice and Ostrava. Although this is quite a few new provinces, we split the development of existing provinces to make room for them, so Bohemian starting development is not noticeably higher; we will of course be paying attention to the balance side of things to avoid Bohemia becoming the Ottomans of Europe.

Northern Germany

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We restrained ourselves from adding too many provinces to Brandenburg, mainly because this was not a very densely inhabited area and in 1444 few would have predicted that it would later rise to power. However, they did gain a new province in Brandenburg (the city) and are stronger than most of their neighbours, so if they can secure the alliances needed to keep the likes of Bohemia away, they are still well-placed to expand – especially since the sale of Neumark will now also grant them Dramburg.

Pomerania had a bit of a situation with their lack of primogeniture too (I seem to be repeating myself here). In fact, they split many, many times and were united much more seldom than they were divided. We went for a fairly conservative split and made them into Wolgast in the west and Stettin in the east, with new provinces in Wolgast and Rügen. A united Pomerania will of course be able to form Pomerania. Also, Rügen is a releasable tag that, in homage to Klaus Störtebecker and the hotbed of piracy that was the Baltic, will have the opportunity of going pirate if you own Golden Century.

The smaller states to the west of Brandenburg have each gained provinces, with Mecklenburg now correctly owning Stargard, Lüneburg’s significance better represented by the addition of Celle, and Magdeburg now owning the bishop’s summer residence of Halle. Braunschweig (previously one of the largest provinces of the HRE) has had the city of Göttingen split off it to the south (still owned by the Brunswick tag though) and is bordered to the east by the new Free City of Goslar, and the tag Verden now also owns a province called Verden as well as Stade.

Further west, Cologne too has an extra province in Paderborn (which is a releasable tag) and Berg is our new bordergore galore tag, owning Bielefeld as well as Berg and Jülich. Last but not least, Dortmund has also been added as a Free City.

Another change that we made in the north is in the cultures. There have been many calls for a “Lower Saxon” culture, and we have heeded these calls by splitting the Westphalian culture. Conveniently, this allows us to make the Kingdom of Hannover into the formable for the Lower Saxons and Westphalia into that for the Westphalians and Rhenish peoples.

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As a final note, I’d add that our focus on the Holy Roman Empire gives us a good opportunity to add flavour events for the tags populating it. I’ve been loving reading through the suggestions in threads such as this one. Please keep them coming, and if there is any interesting historical event you would like to see in the game, feel free to ping me (I can also read German and French, so you can send me links in those languages too).

That’s it for now. Next week, I’ll be presenting a few of the German mission trees we have prepared so far.
 
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A few things:

First, I really hope you reconsider the changes to Switzerland. When, around the end of last year, I read the first Dev Diary promising the Big European Update, the first thing I got excited about was playing in the unique political situation of the cantons. It would be so much more interesting if you did split it up further, but added some sort of miniature-HRE-like mechanic to protect them from outside tags when they’re small/push them to consolidate and centralize over the course of the game. Please, please think about that.

On a less complicated note, Prague’s development should be increased. I get that you can’t double it for balance’s sake (though that would be historically accurate), but adding one of each development type across the board couldn’t hurt, and would go a ways towards representing how major a city it was at the time.

I’m not sure where they’d make sense to be added (perhaps in some of Bohemia’s more mountainous areas or in the Black Forest), but I would love to see more impassable terrain throughout the HRE. Anytime it’s in a region, it makes the region much more strategically interesting and engaging.

Also, Portugal needs new national ideas. Thanks.
 
that's a massive shame then considering it was the most pressing issue for the rulers of Austria and it's such an important place in the context of the early modern HRE, but ok then...
 
Kind of odd if they do the same with Bavaria, Pomerania, Silesia and Saxony but not with Austria and the Welf domains.

But, well, they should at least add the tags of Görz (Gorizia and Lienz) as well as Cili (Cili and the surroundings of Villach, somewhere in Kärnten) then. @Caligula Caesar I hope this is being considered.
 
Looks decent, but I will be honest in saying I was hoping for more from the Swiss area. So many good suggestion threads on how to fix Switzerland, their ideas and their provinces, as well as government types. Seems like that won't be happening which is a huge shame.
Yep.
 
Can we get Silesia broken into more parts? I understand it will make Bohemia´s position harder, because of almost full full diplo slots, but it can always break vassalage and it´s not like Bohemia will make a run for Emperorship in the first decade anyways.

I was kinda rooting for Worms , Kempten and Seven Tithings to make it into the game. Well, see you in EU5 I guess.
 
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Ratibor is still in an odd position, too. Speaking of the city, that is.
 
Any plans to add a Kashubian or similarly named culture in East Pomerania? I like mods like M&T where I can have an independent Slavic Pomerania on the Baltic coast, checking the might of the Germans.
 
Not really logical to add a province named "Ostrava"
Ostrava wasn't a significant city until 18th century. Opava was much more significant in this area.
 
Really great changes: But one point. If you add Bielefeld within Westphalia, then you also should include Mark as province. Here a sample how it could look:

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Based on this map. I also would suggest to make Julich a bit more thick, like it also looks on the linked map. Mark was a Duchy quite same large as Berg, so it should be considered as onw province which included many important cities like Hamm.

Furthermore by 1444 they should be independent because all four duchies (inclusive Julich-Cleve-Berg) were united within the 16th century.

- Mark and Cleve should be united by game start (since 1368)
- By 1423 Julich and Berg should be united (or in PU)
- By 1521 Julich-Berg and Mark-Cleves should be united.

Lore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Duchies_of_Jülich-Cleves-Berg
 
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As a final note, I’d add that our focus on the Holy Roman Empire gives us a good opportunity to add flavour events for the tags populating it. I’ve been loving reading through the suggestions in threads such as this one. Please keep them coming, and if there is any interesting historical event you would like to see in the game, feel free to ping me (I can also read German and French, so you can send me links in those languages too).

I don't know if Münster already has an event for the Münster rebellion or if this was suggested elsewhere before, but if not it would be some really nice flavour.

Here's a short description from the Wikipedia article about Münster:

In 1534, the Anabaptists led by John of Leiden, took power in the Münster Rebellion and founded a democratic proto-socialistic state. They claimed all property, burned all books except the Bible, and called it the "New Jerusalem". John of Leiden believed he would lead the elect from Münster to capture the entire world and purify it of evil with the sword in preparation for the Second Coming of Christ and the beginning of the Millennium. They went so far as to require all citizens to be naked as preparation for the Second Coming. However, the town was recaptured in 1535; the Anabaptists were tortured to death, their corpses were exhibited in metal baskets (often confused with cages), which can still be seen hanging from the tower of St Lambert's Church.


And here the english and german Wikipedia articles about the rebellion itself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Münster_rebellion
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Täuferreich_von_Münster
 
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Finally, Bohemia, like other regions, has gained some new provinces. Lusatia has been split in three (with Oberlausitz split between Bautzen and Görlitz). This has allowed us to make Lusatia an area and releasable tag, with the provinces now having Sorbian culture.

I've always wanted this. And of course, this means there's no reason not to add Slovene now.

Is that Frisian culture I see too? Still wish Free Frisia could be implemented into the game somehow other than just Ditchmarschen being... weird and East Frisia not being in the empire.
 
Have you thought about adding flavour for the mountain passes in Switzerland?
For example the Gotthard Pass, which was essential to imperial control of Italy. The concessions (Reichsunmittelbarkeit) given to Uri, Schwyz and Unterwalden (ingame all part of Waldstätte) by emperors trying to secure a way to move german troops to Italy were very important in the creation of the Swiss Confederacy.
You could add in a modifier like the Danish Sound toll to Waldstätte, which could be increased if Italy is reigned in and decreased through the thirty years war (which is what happened historically, as trade between Italy and Germany ground to a halt following the war).
I feel like this could help make Switzerland a bit more distinct from the other small states in southern Germany, since control of the passes was also a major reason of conflict between Austria and the Swiss Confederacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthard_Pass
 
Some feedback; kind of the things that are hard to 'hand-wave', so to say. This is not to do a crackdown on your work, but just trying to improve it.

Remarks about South Germany:
- Ingolstadt (city) is on the wrong bank of the river.
- Rosenheim was very, very minor. If you guys insist with its inclusion, then please change its owner to Bavaria-Landshut. Not Bavaria-Münich. If I'm not mistaken. An alternative could be Wasserburg, the more prominent town in this region, owned by Bavaria-Ingolstadt.
- Aschaffenburg should be to the north of Stuttgart, in terms of triangulation.
- Nürnberg should be more to the south, same length as Rothenburg kind of.
- Rothenburg is to the west of Wurzburg in the new map, but should be to the east of it.
- Heidelberg could be placed more to the west, only slightly. Minor thing, though.
- The rivers around Passau and Braunau make the city-placement a bit odd (the river bends are placed oddly), Braunau should be a bit above Salzburg and to the west of Passau instead of to the east of it.
- Luzern (Waldstätte) should be quite a bit more to the north.
- Amberg (Oberpfalz) should be on the same length as Rothenburg.
- Please change the name of Wurrtemburg (province) to Stuttgart.
- I hope Lienz will be a part of a Gorizia-tag. If Austria won't be separated into its three parts, then it at least needs Gorizia and Cilli as tags.
- I disagree that Passau should be a vassal. Bavaria didn't have that much influence on it to determine it's politics in such a way. The gameplay-argument is bad too, if you look at other OPM's around the world. Alliance-webs made by OPM's can do wonders.
- Wallis should be under Swiss control as Sion was under Swiss control (well, their allies controlled it, but with Switzerland being an amalgamation of different tags in the first place...).

Remarks about Central Germany and Bohemia:
- Nassau's capital (Wiesbaden) should be closer to the river, so quite a bit more to the south. As I mentioned earlier.
- Erfurt, was again, under Mainzian control more than Saxon control. As well as most of the lands surrounding it like the Eichsfeld.
- Why is Bamberg a vassal? And Fulda not independent? Both should be independent tags.
- Zwickau (city) should be on the other side of the river.
- Ratibor is still in the wrong location.
- The new provinces for Bohemia-proper; what was the incentive behind them? There are more important towns than those, some are anachronistic and others are located in the wrong positions.
- Köln, the city, is way off. It should basically be to the south of Düsseldorf (the capital of Berg), and maybe leaning a bit to the east as well. Jülich should be on the same length then.
- Cleves should be closer and more up to the Dutch border.

Remarks about Northern Germany:
- Lüneburg should be quite a bit more to the east, closer to Lauenburg.
- Stade and Verden should honestly be two separate tags.
- Why isn't Hoya a tag? It was independent.
- Schleswig's location (city) is way off.
- I see you've already commented on the way Pomerania and Brandenburg are made, so I won't comment on that anymore.
- Hoya (town) is still located in the wrong position; it should be much closer to Verden and the river.
 
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At present, the latter is a vassal under Munich, since historically Munich’s territories more or less surrounded Passau and we do not wish the latter to be easy food for Bohemia or Austria.

Except chopping Bavaria into itty bitty pieces already does that...

It may be a more historically accurate set-up but unless you change the HRE rules it's going to come down to which of the two blobs eats it all first...
 
Despite my love for new provinces, can I just mention I am still saddened that Kladsko area is part of Silesian province and with the newly added provinces Hradec as a city isnt even in the province anymore........... with my family living there since the eu4 startdate, it sure hurts XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
So I would rather do this, add one province up north cutting a little bit off rudohori naming it Boleslavsko and leave Hradec where it was, since Pardubice rose to a city comparable with Hradec only after eu4 timeframe...
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