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EU4 - Development Diary - 7th of May 2019

Hi there and welcome to another dev diary for EU4. I am Pierre, I’ve been part of the EU4 Content Design team since December, and I feel honoured to be able to give you your first peeks at the new content we are making for the big European update and expansion we have planned for the end of the year.

This is the first of several dev diaries that will focus on the map changes we have made, giving large parts of the European map a much-needed revamp. I’ll be starting with Germany (which for purely arbitrary reasons shall for today include Switzerland and Bohemia, but not Austria). As @neondt stated in an earlier dev diary, our aim was not to recreate Voltaire’s Nightmare or to populate the entire HRE map with OPMs (this would have been eminently possible) but rather to create more depth and more interesting gameplay situations within it, righting various wrongs and finding ways to better represent the various dynamics of the empire’s territories along the way.

As with previous patches, all map changes shown here will be part of the free patch. In previous map previews, we have often revealed the idea groups of the new tags, and rest assured we will be adding new ideas to replace the generic German ones. However, the work to do so still lies in the future, so in the meantime I’d just like to give a shoutout to this thread – if you want to know what we are looking for in terms of threads suggesting new idea groups, look no further.

So without further ado…

South Germany

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The lack of primogeniture in Bavaria until the 1500s led to several splits of the Duchy in the 14th century before its reunification in 1503. At game start, Wittelsbach Bavaria is divided between Munich, Landshut and Ingolstadt, who will have to fight it out for the duchy (or hope they inherit it). However, Bavaria can console itself with the fact that, once united, it will have considerably more resources at its disposal than in 1.28, with new provinces in Innbaiern (modern Innviertel, ceded to Austria in 1779; capital: Braunau), Freising, Rosenheim and Donauwörth (which has Swabian culture and is a releasable tag). We hope for Bavaria to become a strong power within the HRE in the next patch. To make this more likely, we will be adding DHEs such as this one to the Bavarian sub-duchies:

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Also new to Bavaria is the inclusion of Regensburg as a Free City and Passau as a Bishopric. At present, the latter is a vassal under Munich, since historically Munich’s territories more or less surrounded Passau and we do not wish the latter to be easy food for Bohemia or Austria. Finally, Salzburg (already in the Bavarian geographic area) now has Bavarian culture, which more correctly represents its situation in 1444 – it was part of the Bavarian Circle and was only annexed by Austria as late as 1805.

Moving south, the large province of Tirol has been split in several pieces, with the independent County of Bregenz (currently Austrian culture) to the west representing one of the more challenging starting positions in the HRE (they have 5 development and an heir with low legitimacy). The main province has been further split between Inntal (capital: Innsbruck) and Etschtal (capital: Meran).

Switzerland, too, has seen a makeover. The Swiss Confederacy was a growing power in the 15th century but was not yet close to controlling all of what would become Switzerland. Whilst we elected not to start with individual independent Swiss Cantons (this would simply make them easy prey for Austria, Milan, Savoy and Burgundy), we did split off the largest independent force, the Three Leagues. In the process, Graubünden was split to become Illanz and Chur, and Fribourg/Freiburg was added west of Bern.

Finally, Swabia has seen considerable changes. Firstly, Austria’s holdings in Swabia (or “Further Austria” are better represented, with Breisgau now being ruled by Austria, as it was in history. Baden has been compensated with the addition of Durlach (which would later become Karlsruhe) to its north. Wurttemberg, which was the largest territorial state in Swabia but somehow is an OPM with 6 development in EU4, now has a new province in the form of Urach (capital: Reutlingen) and a substantial buff in terms of development. Additionally, Ravensburg has been swapped for the Free City of Konstanz, Alsace is now the Bishopric of Strasbourg, the new tag of Mulhouse has been added to represent the Decapolis in southern Alsace, and Ulm is no longer wildly mislocated.

To add a bit more interest to the area, states of Swabian culture will now be able to form Swabia.

Central Germany and Bohemia

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Saxony has been given several new provinces but has also been split in two. Like Bavaria, Saxony did not have primogeniture; unlike Bavaria, Saxony never fully resolved this issue. As a result, in the 15th century, it was split several times, with the end result being the Treaty of Leipzig in 1485, where Saxony was split between the two brothers Ernest and Albert on lines similar to those displayed on the map above, except that both continued calling themselves Saxony and Ernest (Thuringia) gained Wittenberg and the Electorate. Thuringia/Ernestine Saxony later lost the Electorate to (Albertine) Saxony and split into many, many pieces. This all lies in the future in 1444 (via several planned DHEs), so the current division is based on that in 1445 between the brothers Friedrich and Wilhelm. Thuringia starts under PU by Saxony, but there will be several events which will make it a difficult subject to keep quiet for Saxony. New provinces are Zwickau in Saxony and three in Thuringia (previously one province with low development), which is now much better represented by Erfurt (Mainz has a core on this province to represent certain historical complexities), Weimar and Coburg (Franconian culture).

Franconia has seen a few more provinces and tags added. Most importantly, Franconia itself is now a formable tag if you manage to unite the Franconian lands. This is however easier said than done as Franconia now includes two Free Cities and lands owned by strong neighbours (i.e. Coburg by Thuringia). Würzburg, the titular holders of the duchy, remain the strongest power, with a new province in Fulda (Rhenish i.e. Hessian culture) and vassal in Bamberg. Their main rivals, Ansbach, now have Bayreuth as their junior partners in PU. They are now also bordered on the west by Rothenburg, another new Free City. Finally, the large province of Mainz has been split and the new Franconian culture province of Aschaffenburg has been added.

Moving West, @Ofaloaf did some pyrotechnics to the lower Rhineland map to make space to squeeze in Jülich (owned by Berg). The Palatinate has a new province in Zweibrücken, and although Hessen has no new provinces, its provinces have been renamed to Oberhessen and Niederhessen, with Niederhessen (Kassel) now the capital and more affluent province.

Finally, Bohemia, like other regions, has gained some new provinces. Lusatia has been split in three (with Oberlausitz split between Bautzen and Görlitz). This has allowed us to make Lusatia an area and releasable tag, with the provinces now having Sorbian culture. Silesia, as you can see, has been split in two between Glogau and Opole. Silesia the tag still exists and can be formed by a Silesian country that owns all of Silesia and is not a subject. Bohemia and Moravia have seen three more provinces added, with space being made for Jindrichuv Hradec, Pardubice and Ostrava. Although this is quite a few new provinces, we split the development of existing provinces to make room for them, so Bohemian starting development is not noticeably higher; we will of course be paying attention to the balance side of things to avoid Bohemia becoming the Ottomans of Europe.

Northern Germany

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We restrained ourselves from adding too many provinces to Brandenburg, mainly because this was not a very densely inhabited area and in 1444 few would have predicted that it would later rise to power. However, they did gain a new province in Brandenburg (the city) and are stronger than most of their neighbours, so if they can secure the alliances needed to keep the likes of Bohemia away, they are still well-placed to expand – especially since the sale of Neumark will now also grant them Dramburg.

Pomerania had a bit of a situation with their lack of primogeniture too (I seem to be repeating myself here). In fact, they split many, many times and were united much more seldom than they were divided. We went for a fairly conservative split and made them into Wolgast in the west and Stettin in the east, with new provinces in Wolgast and Rügen. A united Pomerania will of course be able to form Pomerania. Also, Rügen is a releasable tag that, in homage to Klaus Störtebecker and the hotbed of piracy that was the Baltic, will have the opportunity of going pirate if you own Golden Century.

The smaller states to the west of Brandenburg have each gained provinces, with Mecklenburg now correctly owning Stargard, Lüneburg’s significance better represented by the addition of Celle, and Magdeburg now owning the bishop’s summer residence of Halle. Braunschweig (previously one of the largest provinces of the HRE) has had the city of Göttingen split off it to the south (still owned by the Brunswick tag though) and is bordered to the east by the new Free City of Goslar, and the tag Verden now also owns a province called Verden as well as Stade.

Further west, Cologne too has an extra province in Paderborn (which is a releasable tag) and Berg is our new bordergore galore tag, owning Bielefeld as well as Berg and Jülich. Last but not least, Dortmund has also been added as a Free City.

Another change that we made in the north is in the cultures. There have been many calls for a “Lower Saxon” culture, and we have heeded these calls by splitting the Westphalian culture. Conveniently, this allows us to make the Kingdom of Hannover into the formable for the Lower Saxons and Westphalia into that for the Westphalians and Rhenish peoples.

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As a final note, I’d add that our focus on the Holy Roman Empire gives us a good opportunity to add flavour events for the tags populating it. I’ve been loving reading through the suggestions in threads such as this one. Please keep them coming, and if there is any interesting historical event you would like to see in the game, feel free to ping me (I can also read German and French, so you can send me links in those languages too).

That’s it for now. Next week, I’ll be presenting a few of the German mission trees we have prepared so far.
 
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What is that "Vado" province south of Fribourg? Isn't that part of western Switzerland owned by Savoy in 1444...could the Latin/Italian group be getting more dynamic province names?
 
What is that "Vado" province south of Fribourg? Isn't that part of western Switzerland owned by Savoy in 1444...could the Latin/Italian group be getting more dynamic province names?
Dynamic name for Vaud, I guess. With Lausanne as capital.
 
Are you going to change that the island of Femern belong to the province of Holsten and not Lolland? That would be more historically correct in my opinion, since it's always been part of the duchy of Holstein and never (as I understand) part of the state of Denmark. This is, of course, mostly eye-candy :)
 
I like these map changes so far. I hope that if there are any new mechanics for the HRE, that they are well thought out.

There need to be plenty of Dynamic Historical Events for these countries in the HRE. One thing that would be notable would be having Hungary convert to Protestantism, and then reconvert because of the tremendous missionaries from the Jesuit Order years later.

Also, please fix the religious conversion issue. It makes Revoking the Privileges much harder to accomplish.
 
Looks good. Some surprises regarding new nations too. I know that you don't want to add a million OPM's, but some of those provinces were political entities for a very long time (Fulda!). Unless those tags ever controlled those provinces, I think it is a mistake to give these provs to those tags. When did Würzburg ever own Fulda? You should've chosen a different name for those provinces then, or made it into a tag. Now it is just giving very bad signals.

But the worst thing here is:
At present, the latter is a vassal under Munich, since historically Munich’s territories more or less surrounded Passau and we do not wish the latter to be easy food for Bohemia or Austria.
By that logic, Novgorod should be a Muscovian vassal, or Albania an Ottoman vassal. Maybe Salzburg should be an Austrian vassal, to avoid that some weird minor eats it?
 
Looks good. Some surprises regarding new nations too. I know that you don't want to add a million OPM's, but some of those provinces were political entities for a very long time (Fulda!). Unless those tags ever controlled those provinces, I think it is a mistake to give these provs to those tags. When did Würzburg ever own Fulda? You should've chosen a different name for those provinces then, or made it into a tag. Now it is just giving very bad signals.

But the worst thing here is:

By that logic, Novgorod should be a Muscovian vassal, or Albania an Ottoman vassal. Maybe Salzburg should be an Austrian vassal, to avoid that some weird minor eats it?
Same with Bamberg being a vassal or having no Verden / Stade split in terms of tags (Bishopric of Bremen was located in the Stade-province).
 
Except chopping Bavaria into itty bitty pieces already does that...

It may be a more historically accurate set-up but unless you change the HRE rules it's going to come down to which of the two blobs eats it all first...

I think it would be better if Passau was under a guarantee rather than a vassal. Now they will just be gone in ten years anyways
 
Hey there, appreciate the work u put in the HRE.

I have some suggestions for Brunswick tho. At Gamestart 1444, Brunswick was practically a free city, ruled by a council. (technically it was always a duchy, but the citizen "scared the dukes away") The dukes lived outside the city in their residence Wolfenbüttel. So historically the Welfs conquered Brunswick back in the 17th century, and "turned the city back into a duchy". Now idk if its possible gameplaywise to let Brunswick start as a Republic, but if so it could be a nice Eventchain to fight against the Welfs, who want to take back the city.

Another note would be, that Brunswick was a relatively big (Trade)City. So i guess it would be suitable to give it atleast a lv1 tradecenter (dunno how this is called in english).

I hope my english is somewhat understandable and you get my points :D. If my suggestions cant be implemented its totally fine. Just wanted to give some hints on the topic :).
 
"the new tag of Mulhouse has been added to represent the Decapolis in southern Alsace"

Why Strasbourg is not a free city ? Would be great to see Haguenau, a very rich city and also the capital of Decapolis...

Likewise, Haguenau or maybe Colmar would be better representations of the Décapole. The history of Mulhouse diverges from that of the Décapole in 1515 when it separated and joined the Swiss. It could represent itself as it outlasted the Décapole, but it is not too accurate to state them as being the same.



"and Ulm is no longer wildly mislocated."

Best update ever :cool:
 
Good catch, bit of a typo there :p Should be Konstanz for Ravensburg, not Regensburg.



Interesting idea, but are the mountains high/hostile enough to make the route between any of the provinces we have in the game impossible? (Same question in Balkans, incidentally).

As a history student in Czech Republic, I'd say Bohemia doesn't need mountain passes. We had the "land gates", which are referenced in earlier history, in battles of 11th and 12th century during the ducal succession wars (when emperors meddled for candidates who'd accept vassalage, a thing that'd make them an unpopular duke immediately, and these forest land gates proved critical strongpoints of the state defence, great for ambushes), but with colonisation and deforestation these were not as prominent in our timeframe (and gradually fade away). I'd say the terrain penalties are sufficient enough. The Tatras are a much more convincing case for passes - seeing the Poles flooding from the north is somewhat anticlimactic for me.

As Aramenian above said about Silesia - I'd totally vouch for Svídnice (inherited by emperor Charles IV via his third wife, and integral part of the state along with the city of Vratislav, both were a stronghold of royal power in Silesia and the buckle holding it together. The city was much more important that the fief (naming the province Vratislav is possible too), it ought to belong to the merchants (historically loyalists opposing the more independent-minded bishops). It was even often said to be the second capital (though overblown, no city other than Prague could come close to its importance, seeing as Moravia had no standing capital, and Olomouc was only the bishops seat).

As for Zaháň, it is less critical, but i see nothing wrong with implementing it. Historically, much of this area was filled with enclaves and exclaves not belonging to the state (high autonomy? dunno, I have not studied it in particular).

Also Ostrava is an industrial centre, prominent in 19th century. My choice for this general area would be Uherské Hradiště - the "Hungarian Fort" - seeing as this was the areas general purpose, in EU4s time filled with anti-Turk fortifications. This is a Premyslid town with Great Moravian foundations. No major cities other than that.
 
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This sounds great - I like that the HRE is being further fragmented and subdivided. The density of different territories will make for some very interesting fort considerations. Well done, EU4 team. :)
 
Are you going to change that the island of Femern belong to the province of Holsten and not Lolland? That would be more historically correct in my opinion, since it's always been part of the duchy of Holstein and never (as I understand) part of the state of Denmark. This is, of course, mostly eye-candy :)

Actually Fehmarn was part of Sleswig for some reason - haven't figured out why. But I agree it would be better as part of Holstein, with a strait to denmark

I write about this in my new thread commenting on northern germany in suggestion forum
 
Looks decent, but I will be honest in saying I was hoping for more from the Swiss area. So many good suggestion threads on how to fix Switzerland, their ideas and their provinces, as well as government types. Seems like that won't be happening which is a huge shame.

As a person who have written one(?) Of those suggestions, I'm happy with what we seen, they didn't say anything about mechanics yet so there is no reason to assume that switzerland won't get an overhaul to it's government and ideas.

Making graubünden independent and fribourg province is really good, let's hope we'll see geneva in a few weeks,
 
Noticing that new Frisian culture, I would suggest adding it to Dithmarschen as well, as that area was also Frisian.

No, it wasn't

north frisia however is a possible province split from Sleswig, which - surprise - would have frisian culture
 
Kind of odd if they do the same with Bavaria, Pomerania, Silesia and Saxony but not with Austria and the Welf domains.

But, well, they should at least add the tags of Görz (Gorizia and Lienz) as well as Cili (Cili and the surroundings of Villach, somewhere in Kärnten) then. @Caligula Caesar I hope this is being considered.

Austria was strangely enough united in 1444, sort of. Frederick III ruled inner austria and were regent of Tyrol for the minor sigismund and regent in austria proper for ladislaus. So there could be flavour about this but it's not as straight forward as bayern or pomern.

Welf is already split between brunswick and lüneburg, haven't studied the splits among the dynasty in further detail but maybe it's not just practical?