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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

Welcome all to today’s dev diary, where I’ll be covering the long-awaited Iberian and North African map update coming in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update.

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Nations released for the sake of example


As things currently stand, though as always things are subject to change before release, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.

In Aragon, the distinction between the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Valencia, and the Principality of Catalonia has become more pronounced. Tarragona is now rightly in the Catalonia area, and the province of Valencia has been split so that Castello and Xativa have become separate provinces. Valencia itself has the potential to be a very rich city indeed, as the player’s actions can lead to it becoming a major producer of silk. The three major Balearic Islands have become provinces in and of themselves, linked together by a strait and comprising their own Area.

Likewise, Galicia has seen itself grow from 1 province to 4, and now has an Area all to itself.

Portugal and Granada have been gifted one additional province each: Aveiro and Malaga respectively.

Last but not least, many citizens of Navarra are looking a little confused as they wonder where their coastline has gone. Wedged between major powers and with no immediate means of escape over the ocean, Navarra will be a very challenging nation in 1.28.

New releasable nations:

Valencia: The Kingdom of Valencia was a major constituent part of the Crown of Aragon in 1444. In 1.28 the former kingdom of El Cid will be a releasable nation.

Asturias: The Kingdom of Asturias ceased to exist long before our start date, but it nicely fills the absence of releasable nations in the region.

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I’ve also taken another look at North Africa. Here we can see several new provinces along the coast, including those belonging to new nations that can emerge during the game.

The province of Demnate allows a route through the Atlas mountains; a convenient shortcut and potentially a deadly choke-point.

The Canary Islands have been split between Gran Canaria and Tenerife to represent the somewhat incomplete Castilian conquest and colonization of the islands.

For the masochists among you who play as Granada, they now have a core on the province on Ceuta.

New releasable nations:

Salé and Tétouan: Home to some of the most infamous Barbary Pirates, these nations will be releasable in 1444, and may emerge dynamically in the course of the game in the style of Habsan.

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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.
 
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The newest version of Valencia (posted around page 26 I thought) is fine.
 
I think that Castile, Portugal, and Spain should modify their NI a little, not completely, but a little different, for example, Castilla should have NI more focused on the immediate war and distance of cores (to reflect their first colonization in the Caribbean, not as in the game that is impossible and only lets you colonize Colombia), Portugal should have NI more focused on naval quality and Spain above all should completely change their NI to what is Castile like england whit GB, I think it should have a diplomatic reputation (+ 1 or +2 by the court of the hasburgos) this to reflect the period that Carlos was emperor, or maybe a event which triggers if u have a hasgburg in your throne, since it is very difficult for Spain to take the role of emperor of the HRE without taking the idea of influence or diplomacy as second o tirhd idea, also that should have +1 Diplomatic relation and finally it could have ccr, this is to reflect the rapid expansion in the American empires, since historically Spain expanded at a dizzying speed against the Aztecs and Incas in very little time (impossible thing in the game without being over-extended).

then my suggestion would be as follows (only focused in castile and spain for this moment):

Castille:
Traditions:
+1
Missionary
+15% Morale of armies
The Reconquista
+5%
Discipline
Inter Caetera
Can fabricate claims on any overseas province, provided it is overseas for its owner +1 Colonist
Here I would make my first change, changing the order between inter caetera and the inquisition, because in most of the games the first idea taken by castilla is exploration instead of getting to conquer the kingdoms of the Maghreb (which have a lot of cost of annexation) since completing the idea of exploration gives you the same casus belli, and in truth it is necessary to have a longer colonization distance in order to colonize the Caribbean first, as was historically correct.
+10% or +15% Colonial range
+1 Colonist

Spanish Inquisition
+2%
Missionary strength
Devout Catholicism
+2
Yearly papal influence
Treasure Fleet
+10%
Provincial trade power modifier
+15% Global tariffs
Here my second intervention, Castilla was not a mercantile state before launching to the conquest of the Americas, I do not understand why it was given a commercial turn being that it was a state in constant war, I would change this and I would leave it later for the Spanish ideas (not Castilian). I would give a new NI reflecting the ambition of Castile by the union of iberia through force (vs portugal or aragon if there is a new event for the pu) and the dynastic wars (which had a lot before 1550)
Iberic Ambition
−10% Aggressive expansion impact

A Spanish Armada
+10%
National sailors modifier
+10% Heavy ship combat ability
Siglo De Oro
+1
Yearly prestige
here another intervention, Castilla was not so prestigious to have its own golden century, the really prestigious was Spain, so this would replace it by something more in line with the reality of this era, which could be a leader without maintenance, to be able have a general, an explorer, and 2 conquerors to begin the quick conquest of the americas / africa.
+1 Leader without upkeep
It could also be the reduction in the cost of the mercenaries, which would reflect the soldiers with criminal charges that were paid cheaply and were sent to the Americas.
−15% Mercenary maintenance
Or something more attractive would be to reflect the private companies of conquest / colonization at this stage
−50% Colonist maintenance
Ambition:
+25
Global settler increase
I do not think this is the most appropriate for a state centered on the union of the peninsula, I would give more money to csatilla to be able to pay for the colonies / mercenaries
+10% National tax modifier


now for spain:
Traditions:
+1
Missionary
+15% Morale of armies
The Reconquista
+5%
Discipline
Inter Caetera
Can fabricate claims on any overseas province, provided it is overseas for its owner +1 Colonist
Here I would make my first change, changing the order between inter caetera and the inquisition, because in most of the games the first idea taken by castilla is exploration instead of getting to conquer the kingdoms of the Maghreb (which have a lot of cost of annexation) since completing the idea of exploration gives you the same casus belli, and in truth it is necessary to have a longer colonization distance in order to colonize the Caribbean first, as was historically correct.
+10% or +15% Colonial range
+1 Colonist

Spanish Inquisition
+2%
Missionary strength
Devout Catholicism
+2
Yearly papal influence
Treasure Fleet
+10%
Provincial trade power modifier
+15% Global tariffs
A Spanish Armada
+10%
National sailors modifier
+10% Heavy ship combat ability
Siglo De Oro
+1
Yearly prestige
I think it would be historic to put a reduction in the cost of culture, Spain was known to encourage "friendly" conquered peoples to speak their language.
−15% Culture conversion cost
Ambition:
+25
Global settler increase
I think that more than the speed of colonists should be the ccr, imagine the speed at which the Inca / Aztec empire was conquered.
−10% Core-creation cost

Obviously any of the countries of the peninsula could form Spain, with their respective cultures, changing their culture to Spanish and accepting all others, with regard to the Iberian wedding, should be done with Portugal or Aragon, depending on the election in the civil war Spanish, and finally with respect to Spain having the possibility of inheriting Naples and the HRE I would like the idea of an event where diplomatic reputation is gained by having a Hasburg on the throne and losing this modifier until the dynasty is lost, this event should give bad things too, for example a high disloyalty of the estates for a time without being able to change it for example.



sorry for my english, I used a google translator

grettings!!
 
I mean, even if you are disappointmented with provinces and city placements on map, isn’t there anything more important IRL? The thread lives for a week now, time to calm down, IMO.
They read feedback, so we provide feedback. I care about this game and the continuation of it and also about history and geography. I do have a ~34 hour parttime job, but that doesn't keep me from still posting feedback. I'd much rather have had a perfect setup already, but it seems we, the fans, have to step in a bit to keep things "correct". Most of the things people have said aren't even unreasonable or anything.

Your argument is shit; You don't know me, neither do I know you, so the "IRL"-argument is downgrading and irrelevant.
 
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I think that Castile, Portugal, and Spain should modify their NI a little, not completely, but a little different, for example, Castilla should have NI more focused on the immediate war and distance of cores (to reflect their first colonization in the Caribbean, not as in the game that is impossible and only lets you colonize Colombia), Portugal should have NI more focused on naval quality and Spain above all should completely change their NI to what is Castile like england whit GB, I think it should have a diplomatic reputation (+ 1 or +2 by the court of the hasburgos) this to reflect the period that Carlos was emperor, or maybe a event which triggers if u have a hasgburg in your throne, since it is very difficult for Spain to take the role of emperor of the HRE without taking the idea of influence or diplomacy as second o tirhd idea, also that should have +1 Diplomatic relation and finally it could have ccr, this is to reflect the rapid expansion in the American empires, since historically Spain expanded at a dizzying speed against the Aztecs and Incas in very little time (impossible thing in the game without being over-extended).

then my suggestion would be as follows (only focused in castile and spain for this moment):

Castille:
Traditions:
+1
Missionary
+15% Morale of armies
The Reconquista
+5%
Discipline
Inter Caetera
Can fabricate claims on any overseas province, provided it is overseas for its owner +1 Colonist
Here I would make my first change, changing the order between inter caetera and the inquisition, because in most of the games the first idea taken by castilla is exploration instead of getting to conquer the kingdoms of the Maghreb (which have a lot of cost of annexation) since completing the idea of exploration gives you the same casus belli, and in truth it is necessary to have a longer colonization distance in order to colonize the Caribbean first, as was historically correct.
+10% or +15% Colonial range
+1 Colonist

Spanish Inquisition
+2%
Missionary strength
Devout Catholicism
+2
Yearly papal influence
Treasure Fleet
+10%
Provincial trade power modifier
+15% Global tariffs
Here my second intervention, Castilla was not a mercantile state before launching to the conquest of the Americas, I do not understand why it was given a commercial turn being that it was a state in constant war, I would change this and I would leave it later for the Spanish ideas (not Castilian). I would give a new NI reflecting the ambition of Castile by the union of iberia through force (vs portugal or aragon if there is a new event for the pu) and the dynastic wars (which had a lot before 1550)
Iberic Ambition
−10% Aggressive expansion impact

A Spanish Armada
+10%
National sailors modifier
+10% Heavy ship combat ability
Siglo De Oro
+1
Yearly prestige
here another intervention, Castilla was not so prestigious to have its own golden century, the really prestigious was Spain, so this would replace it by something more in line with the reality of this era, which could be a leader without maintenance, to be able have a general, an explorer, and 2 conquerors to begin the quick conquest of the americas / africa.
+1 Leader without upkeep
It could also be the reduction in the cost of the mercenaries, which would reflect the soldiers with criminal charges that were paid cheaply and were sent to the Americas.
−15% Mercenary maintenance
Or something more attractive would be to reflect the private companies of conquest / colonization at this stage
−50% Colonist maintenance
Ambition:
+25
Global settler increase
I do not think this is the most appropriate for a state centered on the union of the peninsula, I would give more money to csatilla to be able to pay for the colonies / mercenaries
+10% National tax modifier


now for spain:
Traditions:
+1
Missionary
+15% Morale of armies
The Reconquista
+5%
Discipline
Inter Caetera
Can fabricate claims on any overseas province, provided it is overseas for its owner +1 Colonist
Here I would make my first change, changing the order between inter caetera and the inquisition, because in most of the games the first idea taken by castilla is exploration instead of getting to conquer the kingdoms of the Maghreb (which have a lot of cost of annexation) since completing the idea of exploration gives you the same casus belli, and in truth it is necessary to have a longer colonization distance in order to colonize the Caribbean first, as was historically correct.
+10% or +15% Colonial range
+1 Colonist

Spanish Inquisition
+2%
Missionary strength
Devout Catholicism
+2
Yearly papal influence
Treasure Fleet
+10%
Provincial trade power modifier
+15% Global tariffs
A Spanish Armada
+10%
National sailors modifier
+10% Heavy ship combat ability
Siglo De Oro
+1
Yearly prestige
I think it would be historic to put a reduction in the cost of culture, Spain was known to encourage "friendly" conquered peoples to speak their language.
−15% Culture conversion cost
Ambition:
+25
Global settler increase
I think that more than the speed of colonists should be the ccr, imagine the speed at which the Inca / Aztec empire was conquered.
−10% Core-creation cost!
Good contribution, I hope that in the next dev diaries we will hear more about how NIs will be revamped, something which has been argued about before before in this forum a lot.

Obviously any of the countries of the peninsula could form Spain, with their respective cultures, changing their culture to Spanish and accepting all others, with regard to the Iberian wedding, should be done with Portugal or Aragon, depending on the election in the civil war Spanish, and finally with respect to Spain having the possibility of inheriting Naples and the HRE I would like the idea of an event where diplomatic reputation is gained by having a Hasburg on the throne and losing this modifier until the dynasty is lost, this event should give bad things too, for example a high disloyalty of the estates for a time without being able to change it for example.
This is where I think there is a bit of a cognitive dissonance going on when people suggest anyone should be able to form "a" Spain, but then we are stuck with the NIs, events, missions, flags, etc. of "the" real-world Spain. A fantasy "Spain" formed by Portugal would be completely different from the historical one. For example, if Afonso V had managed to get his PU over Castile, his son would still have likely dismissed Columbus as a second-rate navigator who can't do maths (which was true), completely changing the relation of Spain with the New World. This is why I tend more to agree with other suggestions that the other Iberians should have alternative "Spain" or "Iberia" tag-switches, or even better, a complete revamp of how formable nations work.
 
I do not know if it's a little late for these proposals but here they go.

North of the peninsula.

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I think the initial proposal is a bit confusing in the north of Spain. As other comments say Navarra is excluded from the sea (in those years Navarre does not have access) and Asturias is overrepresented. Therefore I believe that the 3 regions to the north can be maintained: Galicia, Asturias and Navarra.

In Galicia I think that 3 cities are more than enough, but provinces in Navarre will give the possibility of better representing the historical reality with 4 provinces and it would be more interesting to play as Navarra from the beginning including events that represent a dynasty conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navarrese_Civil_War_(1451–1455)

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The region of Asturias could be formed by Santander (Cantabria) Leon and Oviedo. The Leonese culture could be changed by the Asturleones.


Kingdom of Aragon.

On the other hand if we are faithful to the historical reality, the Kingdom of Aragon has too much development. the population of this kingdom was smaller than Portugal.


Kingdom (km²) Population Provinces in EU4 Population / provinces

Castilla 355,000 4.200.000 161.500
Aragón 110,000 850,000 53,150
Portugal 88,000 1,000,000 90,909
Granada 30,000 300,000 75,000
Navarra 11,700 120,000 120,000



Lerida for Catalonia and eliminate some provinces (or leave them to minimum development)

I would eliminate Ibiza. It is good to represent the kingdom of Mallorca but put to represent this would have to include other kingdoms of that time, 3 provinces for a region that did not have that economic importance seems too much.

The Kingdom of Murcia.

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The Kingdom of Murcia was a historical entity that I think can be represented with its own region. In addition you can include events that lead to rivalries for those territories between Castile and Aragon as this was in the hands of Aragon in the thirteenth century.

South of the Peninsula

In Andalucia, the city of Huelva was not relevant at that time. You can change the name to Niebla or Ayamonte, but I would suppress it in order to create other provinces (Cartagena in Murcia or cities in Portugal)

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Gibraltar did not have any historical relevance until the Treaty of Utrecht, I think it can be named as Algeciras and if at some point it is conquered by England to rename it. I like that you include Malaga.

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Portugal needs more provinces, and maybe have 3 different regions.

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Here a proposal as in everything i said before

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I do not know if it's a little late for these proposals but here they go.

North of the peninsula.

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I think the initial proposal is a bit confusing in the north of Spain. As other comments say Navarra is excluded from the sea (in those years Navarre does not have access) and Asturias is overrepresented. Therefore I believe that the 3 regions to the north can be maintained: Galicia, Asturias and Navarra.

In Galicia I think that 3 cities are more than enough, but provinces in Navarre will give the possibility of better representing the historical reality with 4 provinces and it would be more interesting to play as Navarra from the beginning including events that represent a dynasty conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navarrese_Civil_War_(1451–1455)

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The region of Asturias could be formed by Santander (Cantabria) Leon and Oviedo. The Leonese culture could be changed by the Asturleones.


Kingdom of Aragon.

On the other hand if we are faithful to the historical reality, the Kingdom of Aragon has too much development. the population of this kingdom was smaller than Portugal.


Kingdom (km²) Population Provinces in EU4 Population / provinces

Castilla 355,000 4.200.000 161.500
Aragón 110,000 850,000 53,150
Portugal 88,000 1,000,000 90,909
Granada 30,000 300,000 75,000
Navarra 11,700 120,000 120,000



Lerida for Catalonia and eliminate some provinces (or leave them to minimum development)

I would eliminate Ibiza. It is good to represent the kingdom of Mallorca but put to represent this would have to include other kingdoms of that time, 3 provinces for a region that did not have that economic importance seems too much.

The Kingdom of Murcia.

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The Kingdom of Murcia was a historical entity that I think can be represented with its own region. In addition you can include events that lead to rivalries for those territories between Castile and Aragon as this was in the hands of Aragon in the thirteenth century.

South of the Peninsula

In Andalucia, the city of Huelva was not relevant at that time. You can change the name to Niebla or Ayamonte, but I would suppress it in order to create other provinces (Cartagena in Murcia or cities in Portugal)

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Gibraltar did not have any historical relevance until the Treaty of Utrecht, I think it can be named as Algeciras and if at some point it is conquered by England to rename it. I like that you include Malaga.

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Portugal needs more provinces, and maybe have 3 different regions.

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Here a proposal as in everything i said before

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I don't think anything should be removed from the current setup; only changed here and there. I'm all for additions to Castille and Portugal, though. Algeciras was also destroyed at the beginning of EU4.
 
I do not know if it's a little late for these proposals but here they go.

North of the peninsula.

View attachment 411053


I think the initial proposal is a bit confusing in the north of Spain. As other comments say Navarra is excluded from the sea (in those years Navarre does not have access) and Asturias is overrepresented. Therefore I believe that the 3 regions to the north can be maintained: Galicia, Asturias and Navarra.

In Galicia I think that 3 cities are more than enough, but provinces in Navarre will give the possibility of better representing the historical reality with 4 provinces and it would be more interesting to play as Navarra from the beginning including events that represent a dynasty conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navarrese_Civil_War_(1451–1455)

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The region of Asturias could be formed by Santander (Cantabria) Leon and Oviedo. The Leonese culture could be changed by the Asturleones.


Kingdom of Aragon.

On the other hand if we are faithful to the historical reality, the Kingdom of Aragon has too much development. the population of this kingdom was smaller than Portugal.


Kingdom (km²) Population Provinces in EU4 Population / provinces

Castilla 355,000 4.200.000 161.500
Aragón 110,000 850,000 53,150
Portugal 88,000 1,000,000 90,909
Granada 30,000 300,000 75,000
Navarra 11,700 120,000 120,000



Lerida for Catalonia and eliminate some provinces (or leave them to minimum development)

I would eliminate Ibiza. It is good to represent the kingdom of Mallorca but put to represent this would have to include other kingdoms of that time, 3 provinces for a region that did not have that economic importance seems too much.

The Kingdom of Murcia.

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The Kingdom of Murcia was a historical entity that I think can be represented with its own region. In addition you can include events that lead to rivalries for those territories between Castile and Aragon as this was in the hands of Aragon in the thirteenth century.

South of the Peninsula

In Andalucia, the city of Huelva was not relevant at that time. You can change the name to Niebla or Ayamonte, but I would suppress it in order to create other provinces (Cartagena in Murcia or cities in Portugal)

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Gibraltar did not have any historical relevance until the Treaty of Utrecht, I think it can be named as Algeciras and if at some point it is conquered by England to rename it. I like that you include Malaga.

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Portugal needs more provinces, and maybe have 3 different regions.

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Here a proposal as in everything i said before

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You might want to take a look to the thread in my signature. I have made a revamp of Iberia based on historical data.
 
I don't think anything should be removed from the current setup; only changed here and there. I'm all for additions to Castille and Portugal, though. Algeciras was also destroyed at the beginning of EU4.
Actually Algeciras is within the boundaries of the province of Gibraltar. So I don't think it will be possible to make Algeciras a province unless Gibraltar becomes a microscopic province:confused::
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Actually Algeciras is within the boundaries of the province of Gibraltar. So I don't think it will be possible to make Algeciras a province unless Gibraltar becomes a microscopic province:confused::
algeciras-gibraltar.png
Someone wanted to replace Gibraltar with it.
 
Someone wanted to replace Gibraltar with it.
I don't know if that would a good idea. Perhaps it could be named Algeciras before the Britich took it? I don't know, acording to my sources there was not any important city in that area at the time. That province only exists to be a British base in late game. So I think it should be named Gibraltar
 
I don't know if that would a good idea. Perhaps it could be named Algeciras before the Britich took it? I don't know, acording to my sources there was not any important city in that area at the time. That province only exists to be a British base in late game. So I think it should be named Gibraltar
Read carefully; I came to the same conclusion, that's why I mentioned it.
 
I do not know if it's a little late for these proposals but here they go.

North of the peninsula.

View attachment 411053


I think the initial proposal is a bit confusing in the north of Spain. As other comments say Navarra is excluded from the sea (in those years Navarre does not have access) and Asturias is overrepresented. Therefore I believe that the 3 regions to the north can be maintained: Galicia, Asturias and Navarra.

In Galicia I think that 3 cities are more than enough, but provinces in Navarre will give the possibility of better representing the historical reality with 4 provinces and it would be more interesting to play as Navarra from the beginning including events that represent a dynasty conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navarrese_Civil_War_(1451–1455)

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The region of Asturias could be formed by Santander (Cantabria) Leon and Oviedo. The Leonese culture could be changed by the Asturleones.


Kingdom of Aragon.

On the other hand if we are faithful to the historical reality, the Kingdom of Aragon has too much development. the population of this kingdom was smaller than Portugal.


Kingdom (km²) Population Provinces in EU4 Population / provinces

Castilla 355,000 4.200.000 161.500
Aragón 110,000 850,000 53,150
Portugal 88,000 1,000,000 90,909
Granada 30,000 300,000 75,000
Navarra 11,700 120,000 120,000



Lerida for Catalonia and eliminate some provinces (or leave them to minimum development)

I would eliminate Ibiza. It is good to represent the kingdom of Mallorca but put to represent this would have to include other kingdoms of that time, 3 provinces for a region that did not have that economic importance seems too much.

The Kingdom of Murcia.

View attachment 411045

The Kingdom of Murcia was a historical entity that I think can be represented with its own region. In addition you can include events that lead to rivalries for those territories between Castile and Aragon as this was in the hands of Aragon in the thirteenth century.

South of the Peninsula

In Andalucia, the city of Huelva was not relevant at that time. You can change the name to Niebla or Ayamonte, but I would suppress it in order to create other provinces (Cartagena in Murcia or cities in Portugal)

View attachment 411046

Gibraltar did not have any historical relevance until the Treaty of Utrecht, I think it can be named as Algeciras and if at some point it is conquered by England to rename it. I like that you include Malaga.

View attachment 411047

Portugal needs more provinces, and maybe have 3 different regions.

View attachment 411049

Here a proposal as in everything i said before

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Oddly similar to Victoria 2's map, lol
 
Some ppl sugesting that Aveiro shouldn't be in the game... Lemme tell you guys that i don't think so... Portugal was a country of sailors... We (Portugal) had the first colonial empire of the modern era... started in 1415 with Ceuta and it was over in 1999 with Macau when we gave it back to China and don't forget East-Timor.. Timor got finally the independence in 2002, not from Indonesia (this country invaded them) but from Portugal because Portugal and Timor never signed the Independence Treat, as we (Portugal) did it with Brasil (much earlier); Cabo Verde; Guiné-Bissau; Moçambique; Angola or São Tomé e Príncipe, like the UN considers... we need provinces to build our forts and to have sailors without suffocating the economy.. then we need ports... Aveiro must apear in the portuguese map as Leiria and few others... Costal provinces to have shipyards/grand shipyards and drydocks, these buildings for the ship's constrution and to rise the number of sailors.. to expand the naval force limit modifier.. this tiny country had a huge armada too.. bring some reality for the game. Why 12/13 provinces in Ireland or Scotland? I'm not saying that this is wrong.. I like it, i don't care about that.. My problem is when it comes to Portugal we see clearly that we don't have the same kind of work.. Spliting Baleares? Spliting Canarias? Ok.. great then, but... Portugal! Pls, some attention to Portugal too.. CAUTION: Until now we don't know what will really come to Portugal. DEVs are still working.. we just saw the spanish map redraw till now (hope so).. because just adding Aveiro to Portugal is really dissapointing.. then I think that Braga/Guimarães (or even Minho) producing wool or wine, bordering Spain and not Porto... then inner province Bragança with wine, then Porto in costal zone producing wine... Then Aveiro, costal zone too, grain/fish.. inner province now: Beira (Viseu/Guarda or even Castelo Branco) producning wine; Leiria another costal province.. Fish or Naval Supplies (because we have the "Pinhal de Leiria").. Inner province: Coimbra, atention here pls: the University of Coimbra was founded in 1st March, of 1290 by the king D. Dinis I... Can we have it already built in 1444 when game starts? (And all the others that were built around Europe/world before 1444 ofc..) As I was saying, Coimbra producing grain; Lisboa, costal province and you know what to do in Lisboa :p then Santarém (or Ribatejo).. this one can have a port/shipyard in the Tejo's Estuary and could produce fish/wine or grain.. now a costal province: Setúbal with salt production.. then inner province Évora, producing wine.. Elvas another inner province.. little province but important in the estrategy of Portugal, producing cattle/grain/wine (or simply give, at least, an additional defensiveness in Évora refering the Elvas Fort if the province of Elvas itself won't be created).. Costal province: Beja producing wine or keep cattle, and the last one on mainland, Algarve producing fish or salt and then our archipelagos.. Madeira and Açores!

Some correction that should also be done:
1 - The Sea of Gulf of Cadiz doesn't bath all the Algarve and never bathes Beja or Lisboa.. Southern Lusitanian Sea does it;
2 - Macaronesia includes Açores; Madeira; Canárias and Cabo Verde.. Cabo Verde is a Macaronesian Zone. And the Roman Empire didn't need any of the 4 archipelagos... if RE needed them, it would never existe then. Btw we don't need to waste a "spot" to creat a State in the game on Cabo Verde islands if we have created the State already with Açores/Madeira or Canárias... When it comes to Arguim Province (this is with Cabo Verde in same state) you could include it in the Ifni/Agadir state or Trarza/Cayor state;
3 - Portuguese Ideas: The last one, The Cleanliness of Blood Laws, LIMPLEZA DE SANGRE... this is what you wrote there.. "LIMPLEZA" is a word that doesn't exist, is "LIMPEZA" what you mean.. and "Sangre" is spanish, "SANGUE" is the portuguese word then the correct words are "LIMPEZA DE SANGUE"! check it pls and write it correctly pls!
4 - Macau became a portuguese territory in 1553 by a Treat not by war. I THINK that in the game we just get it in the 1700's... we should have it if we start the game at least in 1554.
5 - If Guadiana River gives a boost in comerce power to Seville why it doesn't give it also to Algarve? Guadiana River bathes both regions and it was always a natural border between Algarve and Andaluzia (Seville in the game, that will become Huelva after the update).
6 - Sorry if there's any mistakes in my "English" (maybe some words XD )

Thank you.
Most people here saying Aveiro should not be in are Portuguese. We are pointing out Braga and Setubal as more accurate replacements.
 
Most people here saying Aveiro should not be in are Portuguese. We are pointing out Braga and Setubal as more accurate replacements.
Not necessarily Portuguese people. ;)
 
Based on the Twitter teasers, some of Iberia remains the same although not much was shown. Maybe there will be a surprise tomorrow.
Yeah, Central Castille hasn't changed. So, no Guadalajara or Segovia.
 
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Yeah, Central Castille hasn't changed.
It's a shame, after all the suggestions I made on my thread, pointing wealth, size, population and historical facts, it seems it is going to stay the same.
I guess places like Ibiza (even though the island was nearly unpopulated at the time) are more catchy to modern audiences than historic cities like Talavera, Segovia or Plasencia.
 
It's a shame, after all the suggestions I made on my thread, pointing wealth, size, population and historical facts, it seems it is going to stay the same.
I guess places like Ibiza (even though the island was nearly unpopulated at the time) are more catchy to modern audiences than historic cities like Talavera, Segovia or Plasencia.
Has nothing to do with the audience.
 
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