EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

[RobRoy3]

I guess that was where I remembered them from then. Pretty sure Asturias is in, though, as I'm pretty sure I've seen it as a revolter. Though perhaps it was later removed again.

You're showing your age Asturias and Valencia were among a bunch of tags added near the end of EU2's life cycle. IIRC, they were added to allow for easier conversion of Crusader Kings games. Twoflower might remember more.

...re: Majorca tag - Convince me and I'll do it. Make a case from both a gameplay and historical perspective

From a historical perspective, case is already made. Tougher to make one from a gameplay perspective, but that can be said for dozens of tags.

From a consistency perspective, you already have tags for Sardinia, Corsica, Malta, Crete, Cyprus, Rhodes, Naxos, and Corfu. If you can justify all those from a gameplay perspective, why is it so difficult to justify Mallorca? (Especially when at least two of them are laughable from a historical perspective).

And, since Mallorca was among the tags added in the final days of EU2, that means one of your predecessors clearly felt it was worth adding at that time. And you'll undoubtedly find the flag graphic already waiting for you, too, probably in the exact place you found the Valencia graphics.

 

[pauletx]

Kingdom off valencia deserve have their own culture,also they was the frist kingdom in spain to have a gold century in art (specially in literature) also they get earlier than portugal,english,french and german

Jordi de Sant Jordi (13? - c.1424) that still follows the troubadour style.
San Pedro Pascual (1227-1300) The Parva Bible.
Jacme Febrer (1238) "Trovas". (There were controversies but, without a doubt, he was Valencian and wrote in Valencian romance)
San Vicente Ferrer and his brother Bonifacio, translation of the Bible from Latin to Valencian language, first in Europe.
Antoni Canals (1352-1419) "Valeri Maxim" (translation)
Ausiàs March (c.1397-1459), master of the introspective analysis of Renaissance man.
[[Joanot Martorell] Tirant lo Blanch, first European modern novel, in whose prologue stands out "I dare expose: not only of Anglo language in Portoguesa. But more than in Portoguesa i will do in vulgar valenciana: for that the nation where i was born can be proud ... ».
Joan Roíç de Corella (1433 / 43-1497), who sports a scholarly humanism.
Jaume Roig (ca. 1400-1478), author of Espill o Llibre de les dones, and the Valencian satirical school.
Sr. Isabel de Villena (1430-1490), an intimate and tender feather. "Vita Christi"

Also some events related with the valencia golden century will be welcomed

Yes, and the fact that there was a constant influx of people from Navarra and Aragon to the Kingdom, and the fact that the muslim population was still living on the territory, will make it kinda wrong them being "catalan".

 

[Creppy]

A nice balance for Navarra could be to put Basque culture aside from both French an Spanish culture, in a separate culture group (maybe it could be divided in Northern and Southern Basque, with the Pyrenees as a border, reflecting the Spanish/French influence in the zone), that makes control and conquest of the basque provinces more difficult for foreign nations, and the creation of claim and cores in the area more easy for Navarra. (It could be also nice for Navarra to have some mission inspired to Antso/Sancho III the Great)

 

[tommassi]

Asturias might need a tag just for those of us who doesn't transform Asturias into León or Castille or Spain in CK2 and then import the savegame in EU4. And even if it later was renamed as Kingdom of León, it actually existed as an independent kingdom.

If we can bring from the dead entities like the Roman Empire, I don't see why it has to be different with the Kingdom of Asturias.

What is true is that probably the only cores it should have would be the actual provinces of Asturias and León and maybe... MAYBE, Cantabria. And also, that any Asturian rebels should be EXTREMELY unlikely, as in... utter, complete and total screw up from the player/AI.

And as a matter of fact, I am sorry, but if there's a problem of limited tags, the Kingdom of Mallorca was independent less than half of the time that the Kingdom of Asturias had that name, before later becoming the Kingdom of León.

Fine with me if none of them are in the game, to be honest. They add nothing.

 

[gougluinn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto Only because you mention the Ottomans.

Fake superpower that need 10 allies to beat real superpower Turkish Empire. Superpowers dont need allies to beat another one. Without Holy Leagues there was no single country in the Europe could beat Turks 1vs1. Spain was a great power not superpower. In 18th century Ottoman Empire dropped to Great Power status from superpower.

 

[Barón Rojo]

About Africa: Massive province of Melilla taking half Moroccan Mediterranean coast. Tetouan... not placed in Tetouan, Ceuta occupies its place. Ceuta should have the shape of Gibraltar and cover the northeast tip of Morocco. Very conservative changes in Maghreb, taking in account this is an Iberian dlc.

 

[Ayoub13Berrahel]

No new Algerian provinces FeelsBadMan

 

[Lider_Picaro]

Fake superpower that need 10 allies to beat real superpower Turkish Empire. Superpowers dont need allies to beat another one. Without Holy Leagues there was not single country in the Europe to beat Turks 1vs1. Spain was a great power not superpower. In 18th century Ottoman Empire dropped to Great Power status from superpower.

Turks just had half a sea to defend. Spain had to split its naval force between two continents, across the atlantic and the pacific

 

[Mingmung]

I've made a thread for map-corrections for Iberia (not additions!): https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ck-province-names-and-city-locations.1123146/

 

[Bobby Shaftoe]

Fine with me if none of them are in the game, to be honest. They add nothing.

That's my opinion as well. But for me, it's hard to find a reason to have the Kingdom of Mallorca and reject the Kingdom of Asturias, when there's a game in which it's likely to import games from CK2 in which the Kingdom of Asturias still exists. Pure gameplay reasons.

 

[pauletx]

Would be weird if Catalonia somehow manages to spawn on any of the valencian provinces. Like, Catalonia never had any real political power in Valencia, and valencian ppl don't really feel and never felt catalan.


Also, almost every Valencian city is bad placed, should be something like this:

 

[gougluinn]

Turks just had half a sea to defend. Spain had to split its naval force between two continents, across the atlantic and the pacific

Spain in 1532

Battle of Preveze:
Attacker was Spain i dont think they left lots of heavy ships in Caribbeans, since only threat Portugal was also Spain's ally.

Spoiler

 

[Barón Rojo]

re: Majorca tag - Convince me and I'll do it. Make a case from both a gameplay and historical perspective

Mallorca is an island and rebels have an easiest time enforcing demands there. Sometimes it results in Aragon respawning there, which doesn't have special sense. To me at least the Mediterranean islands should have their own tags.

 

[owen343]

I was hoping for an Iberian update

 

[Konigi]

Nice! An Iberian immersion pack was definitely called for, thank you so much!

I hope Euskara will become a formable nation -- makes more sense now, especially that Navarra is more difficult to begin with.

 

[Gouda_boy]

First of all, if splitting the Baleares and the Canarias was inspired from my suggestion, what an honor. If not, oh well . I'm just glad to see much of what I and many others felt needed to be added, was. And thank you for finally taking Labourd away!!

Just to throw my two cents in as well, I also concur Portugal needs at least one more province, which could be Braga, Ribatejo (Capital Santerém), Or Setúbal.
I feel Castilla could still use 1-3 more provinces, the most I would like to see being Segovia, Guadalajara, and/or then either Mérida or Plasencia in Extremadura (Then making Extremadura a separate state). Even just one of these would be a vast improvement to central Spain. P.S. I know Extremadura wasn't a reality yet, but a guy can dream!
I also agree:
1. Castilla la Vieja to Valladolid, which you've probably already done so,
2. A Coruna to A Coruña (only if you can get the ñ)
3. Vigo to Pontevedra or Tui
4. Orense to Ourense
5. Extremadura to Cáceres
6. Rioja can remain, or change to Nájera (In my opinion)
7. Urgell can remain, or make it the name of the provincial capital (In my Opinion)

EDIT: A Coruña and Ourense are Unique Galician. As such, they should only be used by Galicia and Portugal. As long as Castille/Spain control them, it should be La Coruña and Orense.

@Mingmung makes very good points about where each city should go, I say follow that please.

I also agree Zaragoza should connect directly to Nafarroa

Personally, I think the Maghreb is slightly under-cooked, especially when looking at Mellila which should simply be slightly smaller as well (Thank you so much for making Ceuta smaller!)

I am currently making an exhaustive list for unique province names for each represented Iberian Language which will be posted later.

 

[omar44]

No new Algerian provinces FeelsBadMan

I spotted Maghnia north of Oujda and Tlemcen.

 

[Francisco Augusto]

I completely understand your point, and here you are giving us good feedback. Yet, you have to remember that the development diaries are here not only to inform you about the direction we are taking, they are also a good way to gather feedback. Development diaries are usually work in progress and not the final product, hence they can be subject to change (depending on the suggestions made by the community and if they align with our vision - see my previous post). Development diaries are a good way to correct mistakes that might have gone under the radar. Now, regarding the points you have brought up:

• Lleida will have a rework - and Zaragoza might be more central.
• The Majorca tag is under consideration.
• The Cordoba tag as been deemed unnecessary as Granada already covers the area (we are currently doing great work on the latter, stay tuned for more information). But again, maybe you might have a good suggestion as to why we should include this tag? If so I will bring it up in my report to the dev team.
• Province density for Portugal hasn't change much as it was on par with the rest of Spain. By changing it we would upset the game balance.

Hope these points will address your concerns.

Could you elaborate on how giving Portugal 2 new provinces would upset the game's/region's balance? It is true we don't know yet how the final development will look like, but having Aragon get 5 provinces while Portugal only gets one is, atleast on a first glance, a major disruption of Portugal/Aragon's balance.

I would suggest adding a province for the coast of Beja, namely Setúbal, Palmela, Alcácer do Sal or even Sines (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sines, maybe even events for it's military engineering school, Vasco da Gama being born there etc).
If for some reason you really don't want Portugal to have 10 provinces, Evora should have more development. 9 total dev for a huge province encompassing the city of Beja plus the above mentioned ones seems odd to me.

 

[Franciscus123]

Could you elaborate on how giving Portugal 2 new provinces would upset the game's/region's balance? It is true we don't know yet how the final development will look like, but having Aragon get 5 provinces while Portugal only gets one is, atleast on a first glance, a major disruption of Portugal/Aragon's balance.

I would suggest adding a province for the coast of Beja, namely Setúbal, Palmela, Alcácer do Sal or even Sines (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sines, maybe even events for it's military engineering school, Vasco da Gama being born there etc).
If for some reason you really don't want Portugal to have 10 provinces, Evora should have more development. 9 total dev for a huge province encompassing the city of Beja plus the above mentioned ones seems odd to me.

Agreed, Setubal or maybe Palmela, carved out of the southern part of the Lisbon province south of the Tagus and a bit of Beja would make a lot of sense. Palmela used to guard the southern aproaches to Lisbon and important ports were located around it, not only in Lisbon.

Edit: Also Aragon getting 5 provinces and Portugal getting only 1 is a bit nonsensical - It is a matter of fact Portugal was more populous at the time. Just because nowadays you can more easily identify cities in Aragon/Catalonia does not mean Portuguese cities were less relevant in 1444.

 

[Xinkc]

No kingdom of Mallorca?

Yet they oddly separated Asturias from Leon...