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EU4 - Development Diary - 9th of October 2018

Welcome all to today’s dev diary, where I’ll be covering the long-awaited Iberian and North African map update coming in the 1.28 ‘Spain’ update.

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Nations released for the sake of example


As things currently stand, though as always things are subject to change before release, Iberia consists of 571 development over 63 provinces. This includes the Macaronesia area but now excludes Labourd, which has been returned to the French region.

In Aragon, the distinction between the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Valencia, and the Principality of Catalonia has become more pronounced. Tarragona is now rightly in the Catalonia area, and the province of Valencia has been split so that Castello and Xativa have become separate provinces. Valencia itself has the potential to be a very rich city indeed, as the player’s actions can lead to it becoming a major producer of silk. The three major Balearic Islands have become provinces in and of themselves, linked together by a strait and comprising their own Area.

Likewise, Galicia has seen itself grow from 1 province to 4, and now has an Area all to itself.

Portugal and Granada have been gifted one additional province each: Aveiro and Malaga respectively.

Last but not least, many citizens of Navarra are looking a little confused as they wonder where their coastline has gone. Wedged between major powers and with no immediate means of escape over the ocean, Navarra will be a very challenging nation in 1.28.

New releasable nations:

Valencia: The Kingdom of Valencia was a major constituent part of the Crown of Aragon in 1444. In 1.28 the former kingdom of El Cid will be a releasable nation.

Asturias: The Kingdom of Asturias ceased to exist long before our start date, but it nicely fills the absence of releasable nations in the region.

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I’ve also taken another look at North Africa. Here we can see several new provinces along the coast, including those belonging to new nations that can emerge during the game.

The province of Demnate allows a route through the Atlas mountains; a convenient shortcut and potentially a deadly choke-point.

The Canary Islands have been split between Gran Canaria and Tenerife to represent the somewhat incomplete Castilian conquest and colonization of the islands.

For the masochists among you who play as Granada, they now have a core on the province on Ceuta.

New releasable nations:

Salé and Tétouan: Home to some of the most infamous Barbary Pirates, these nations will be releasable in 1444, and may emerge dynamically in the course of the game in the style of Habsan.

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Finally, I’ve made some minor changes to the eastern Maghreb. The province of Kairwan has been added for Tunis, and the addition of Sabha has allowed a more aesthetic redrawing of Fezzan’s borders.

That’s all for today. Next week, @Groogy will reveal some of the new features coming in the as yet unnamed Immersion pack to be released alongside 1.28.
 
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Does anyone believe that developers are still reading this?

Today's Dev Diary has left me very discouraged.

The AI improvements are great, but I expected some kind of reference to this thread.
 
Does anyone believe that developers are still reading this?

Today's Dev Diary has left me very discouraged.

The AI improvements are great, but I expected some kind of reference to this thread.
Well if you put a "Respectfully Disagree" in all of my comments and don't put any response and constructive critic explaining why I'm wrong or how you would improve my ideas, perhaps the Devs are directly going to skip them without even reading them (in the remote case they're going to enter this thread again of course):(
 
Does anyone believe that developers are still reading this?

Today's Dev Diary has left me very discouraged.

The AI improvements are great, but I expected some kind of reference to this thread.
No clue.

I kind of feel the same way. And I've been really busy tagging them in a lot of the suggestion-threads, to make sure that they read it. So, either they don't like my posting-behaviour or have no time to adress this further.

I'm really curious about the Maghreb, for example.
 
I had to make sacrifices:(
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This way it still adds the same number of provinces. (3, Minho, Setubal and Ribatejo) and removes Aveiro.

Regions & TG:
Beiras (Minho wine , Porto textile, Bragança wine, Beira wine)
Center (Lisbon fish, Coimbra grain, Ribatejo grain, Azores cattle or fish)
Alentejo (Setubal salt, Evora wine, Beja cattle, Algarve fish)
Macaronesia (Madeira sugar, Lanzarote sugar, Tenerife sugar, La Palma sugar)
Strategic Stuff:
  1. Strait between Lisbon and Setúbal
  2. Shared Guadiana modifier between Huelva and Algarve (5 points for each)
  3. Castles in Évora (elvas) and Bragança (replacing Lisbon)
  4. 'Gulf of Cadiz' renamed to 'Cape St.Vicent/ Vicentine Coast/Southern Lusitanian Sea'
  5. Chesapeake forwards to Seville
  6. For people asking about giving Setúbal an estuary; the salt trade good modifier already boosts trade in the province.
Comment or vote as much as possible. I'll reason each one, if needed.
 

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On the wealth of Spain, in 1500, were below Switzerland, Norway and Finland, Western Europe, as Eastern Europe was far behind. And Germany, Austria and France at 10%.

In 1600, and taking Spain and 30 years of decline, was above: Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Germany, France, Austria and Finland. And Eastern Europe, I suppose Poland and Hungary, far behind.

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On the weight of Spain or not, in the first Italian wars (1494-1504), Spain defeated France, in the first it is true that with company, the other two of you to you.

The problem is that between 1500-1640, Spain had: the Italian wars, the war of 80 years, war with England, confrontation in the north of Africa and Mediterranean with Ottoman and Tunisian pirates, confrontation with Dutch and English pirates, the war of the 30 years ... so many wars, provoked a brutal tax increase in Castile (which was the one that paid for everything) and the consequent destruction of Castile, which went from being the most prosperous in Spain to poverty.

See how I change the number of cities with more than 10,000 inhabitants:

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Spain recovered from 1700, because it had a long time of peace, but cities that were very populated and rich had already disappeared as Medina del Campo or Segovia.

And what Spain did between 1500-1630, was anthological, facing half of Europe (France, England and the Netherlands) and for some years the Ottoman Empire, and all this with half the population of France.

So what happened, the collapse of a region that was too much, was a human (wars) and economic (taxes) bloodshed
 
In the subject of provinces, I asked 12 for Castile and 1/2 for Aragon. T

hat is to say, they have given more than what they asked for, the problem is that they still lack me: merida, Segovia and Guadalajara.

I would not have put 2 in the Balearics for example. And I have 1 left in Valencia.

If we analyze where we came from, they are 9 more provinces in Castilla. They have collected part of the demands.

What gives me a little fear, is the distribution of the increase in development, because Aragon can again be the winner.

And for the weeping of Portuguese friends, in 1800, Portugal was more populated than Catalonia, Valencia, Aragon and the Balearic Islands.

Live the power of the Crown of Aragon. I promise to play with them and to conquer all Europe down the crown of Aragon.
 
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This way it still adds the same number of provinces. (3, Braga, Setubal and Ribatejo) and removes Aveiro.

Regions & TG:
Beiras (Minho wine , Porto textile, Bragança wine, Beira wine)
Center (Lisbon fish, Coimbra grain, Ribatejo grain, Azores cattle or fish)
Alentejo (Setubal salt, Evora wine, Beja cattle, Algarve fish)
Macaronesia (Madeira sugar, Lanzarote sugar, Tenerife sugar)
Strategic Stuff:
  1. Strait between Lisbon and Setúbal
  2. Shared Guadiana modifier between Huelva and Algarve (5 points for each)
  3. Castles in Évora (elvas) and Bragança (replacing Lisbon)
  4. 'Gulf of Cadiz' renamed to 'Cape St.Vicent/ Vicentine Coast/Southern Lusitanian Sea'
  5. Chesapeake forwards to Seville
Comment or vote as much as possible. I'll reason each one, if needed.

Well, your map instead of having of Viseu, it has another coastal province (Setúbal). Considering it has the same amount of provinces, it's basically this dilema: what do you prefer? Having more ports or more forts to protect Portugal from the Spanish border?
 
Well, your map instead of having of Viseu, it has another coastal province (Setúbal). Considering it has the same amount of provinces, it's basically this dilema: what do you prefer? Having more ports or more forts to protect Portugal from the Spanish border?

Honestly, I think it makes more sense to pack Viseu, Guarda and Castelo Branco into a common "hills" province making wine so we can have a salt-producing Setúbal that also straits to Lisbon. The province even has "Serra da Estrela" on it IRL to motivate further why it should be sort of a defensive, backwater land hard to develop.
 
Honestly, I think it makes more sense to pack Viseu, Guarda and Castelo Branco into a common "hills" province making wine so we can have a salt-producing Setúbal that also straits to Lisbon. The province even has "Serra da Estrela" on it IRL to motivate further why it should be sort of a defensive, backwater land hard to develop.
Ok, I get your point:). In my next map (if I'm ever going to do another one after seeing how no dev has seen them), I'll unify the Inner Beiras (Viseu and Castelo Branco) and add Setúbal.
 
Ok, I get your point:). In my next map (if I'm ever going to do another one after seeing how no dev has seen them), I'll unify the Inner Beiras (Viseu and Castelo Branco) and add Setúbal.

Agreed, let me know if you have further disagreements, perhaps how I took Azores out of Macaronesia and into the Lisbon region.

PS: Portuguese topographic map, in case anyone has further doubts. Notice the sharply high spot right at the center of the Beiras province
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Hum. I didn't notice it. Why did you do that?

Because it was a good way to keep the Portuguese provinces more or less well-numbered, all about four, and Azores is so isolated that the closest mainland to it really is Lisbon. It also seemed to make sense in the sense that Madeira has a lot more in common with the Canarias than the Azores, not to mention it's an excuse to make Macaronesia an all-sugar producing province.

An analogous case could be how the Baleares used to be part of the Catalunya province, I think? (-.-'

A third motive is that it's a good way to make the conflicts between Portugal and Castille over the Madeira-Canarias sea zone stand out, by making them all part of the same whole region.
 
Because it was a good way to keep the Portuguese provinces more or less well-numbered, all about four, and Azores is so isolated that the closest mainland to it really is Lisbon. It also seemed to make sense in the sense that Madeira has a lot more in common with the Canarias than the Azores, not to mention it's an excuse to make Macaronesia an all-sugar producing province.
Not a bad idea. That also could pave way to my 3-province Canaries proposal:
After seeing when was conquered each island, wouldn't it be more appropiate if the Islas were divided into Western Canaries (La Gomera, El Hierro and La Palma), Central Canaries (Tenerife and Gran Canaria) and Eastern Canaries (Fuerteventura and Lanzarote)
Both Western and Eastern Canaries were already occupied by 1418 (with the exception of La Palma, but this island has to be somewhere) while Central Canaries were the last ones to be conquered (along with the aforementioned La Palma).
Besides, from a landscape/geographic perspective this would be good too.
  • Fuerteventura and Lanzarote are volcanic wastelands
  • Gran Canaria and Tenerife are the largest and most diverse. Well, technically Gran Canaria is the third largest, but you know what I mean.
  • El Hierro, La Gomera and La Palma are the most leafy and wet islands. They are also the smallest

Regarding the Baleares, perhaps it would be better to add them to Valencia. Catalonia has already more provinces
 
Castillian areas are not my fight, but so far it seems like the conflicts over the Canaries were really bloody, from what people have been posting, so as long as their development is much harder in comparison to Madeira I would support that.
Though I have said I'm not fan of adding island provinces. Adding 1 additional province to Canaries would have some advantages:
  • Adding a new tag for Iberia, the Kingdom of Taoro (the most important native Canarian kingdom). It was in Tenerife.
  • The Canaries were very important in the Spanish Empire. They were the most important stop between Seville and the New World. Actually Canarian Spanish is very similar to Caribbean Spanish. I think that shows how important were the islands.
Of course, those islands should have no more than 10 development at the start.
 
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