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HoI4 Dev Diary - France Rework

Bonjour! Today we will be talking about the upcoming rework of the French focus tree. At this point in development, not all the art is in, so some of the things you’ll see are still work in progress.

We are well aware that the France Focus Tree currently in the game is perhaps not the worst of the remaining vanilla trees, but we believe that reworking France allows us to better integrate some of the new features coming in the upcoming DLC. For that reason we have decided to split “the French Experience” (™ pending) across three weeks. Today we cover the base tree, next week we will be looking at the reowrk of the resistance and occupation system, and in two weeks we return to take a look at Free France and Vichy.

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While the basic French Focus Tree was good, we wanted to improve on it a bit. Specifically, a France that survived past about 1941 would find itself entirely out of focuses, so the new focus tree would have to be deeper. In addition, we wanted to have a more accurate representation of the many issues that impacted French policy-making in the period, and to have decisions you make come back to haunt you (“Short-term solutions cause long-term problems”).

We also wanted to give proper representation to the unusual state of affairs that existed between the Vichy government and the Fighting French under de Gaulle, but you’ll have to wait for a bit longer to see just what we have in store for them.

The French tree as it is currently in the game represents fairly well what has become the unofficial focus tree design philosophy: Separate branches for industry, the armed forces, politics and alternate ideologies. So the base structure should still look familiar.

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The Industry branch has been expanded by a system that I, in all humility, consider to be pretty clever: the “Invest in…” focuses give you building slots in a number of states in the area, with later focuses adding factories into each of the states previously invested in. That means the longer you wait in pulling the trigger on the Colonial/Civilian/Military Industry focuses, the bigger the payoff - but it comes later in the game. If you take all the investment focuses, you can get a whopping 18 civilian factories and 14 military factories in just three focuses (numbers are, of course, absolutely, 100%, final and won’t ever be changed for any reason).

In the political sphere, we decided not to introduce a fully new gameplay mechanic for France when we already have a perfectly functional stability and war support system that works fairly well in representing the internal politics of the Third Republic. To put it simply, you will have to tread a narrow line between raising your stability by lowering your war support and raising your war support by lowering your stability. Should your stability drop below 25% for too long, a civil war breaks out. To make matters worse, you have to contend with far-right and far-left groups taking to the streets in anger if you make decisions that they disagree with, potentially lowering your stability even further. You can ban these groups - at a stability penalty depending on their relative popularity, which might be difficult to recover from.

The threat of civil war is removed when you go to war with another country, and the political violence stops if you can get stability above 70% but it returns if stability drops below 50% without political action being taken to remove the causes.

And if all that wasn’t enough, France suffers from rather significant issues with manpower. The gruelling losses of the Great War had demographic effects down the line - fewer Frenchmen meaning fewer children being born, meaning fewer men reaching military age some 20 years after the war ended. This is represented by a national spirit reducing your recruitable population factor. Simply increasing your recruitment laws won’t save you, since you are now pulling workers away from their workbenches, causing a severe production penalty. You will have different ways of dealing with this issue, but expanding the citizenship and encouraging immigration might not be welcomed by everyone (the timescale of the game means you can’t make up the shortfall through new family policies).

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In better news, France will have a slightly bigger industrial base to play with to balance out these factors. The new diplomacy branch will also allow you to not just invite countries to the Little Entente, but to also invest in them and grant them some military factories, and later invite Britain and the Commonwealth to join your faction. It also allows you to exchange guarantees with the Soviets, or try to form a common faction with Italy. The so-called Stresa Front was already pretty much over and done in 1936, due to differences in opinion between Britain, France and Italy about the Italian-Ethopian border (mostly because Italy believed it shouldn’t exist). To revive that alliance, you’ll have to make some concessions and hand over some territory to Italy. If you can convince Britain to back you, it will make Italy even more likely to join you.

All ideologies get the option to intervene in the Spanish Civil War, but as you might expect for such a historically contentious topic, it comes with a stability penalty, which, in the worst case, can tip you over the edge into your own civil war.

Should you, for reasons passing understanding, not want to experience the historically accurate French experience, we have greatly deepened the alt-history focus trees. Starting with the formation of the Popular Front under Leon Blum (no relation), you can choose to invite the communists to the government (instead of simply having them tolerate you). From there you go on to implement more of the communist agenda, such as legal equality for women, economic centralization and propaganda to prepare the population for the inevitable revolution (we are, after all, talking about France). After you have forced the issue by essentially breaking up the temporary alliance with more moderate forces and having communists take power directly.

After the revolution you essentially have three choices: You can either dial back the revolutionary vigor and try to reconcile with the rest of the country to pursue a broad-front approach to fighting fascism, or you can double down and decide to spread the revolution by any means necessary. Some of the stuff in this tree dips into some new mechanics which aren’t quite ready yet.

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On the other side of the tree, you can either opt for a more conservative approach in the 1936 parliamentary elections, making Pierre Laval the Prime Minister of France. Much like with the Popular Front, you can stay democratic and reform the country with a more market-liberal approach, or you can forge an alliance with the far-right elements and topple the republican government to start the “National Regeneration”, imagined as a less radical version of the National Revolution attempted by the Vichy government. Once the disgustingly republican form of government is removed, you can choose between two main branches.

One, under Francois de la Rocque, has you form a Latin Entente with Spain, Portugal and Italy and later split up Africa into zones of control, with France taking most of the west and Italy taking the east of the continent. With de la Rocque representing a more independent version of an authoritarian France (whether or not he was a bona-fide fascist can certainly be debated, that he has the kind of military background and authoritarian mindset that other fascists had is, I believe, less controversial), the other branch is lead by Jacques Doriot, and entails coming to an understanding with fascist Germany. After agreeing to split the low countries between you and joining the axis, you can put some pressure on Belgium. You can either anschluss Wallonia or force the entirety of Belgium to become your puppet. Once this is accomplished, you remind them that puppets don’t get to have colonial territories right next to their master’s. Beyond this, you mostly tag along with the German strategy by opening up a second front in North Africa.

Finally, there are the Monarchists. French monarchism at the time was closely related to the political far-right (being anti-republican made the idea of a monarchy a logical rallying point), so it makes sense that they spin off from the reactionary branch. The idea behind this branch is that the continued political turmoil in the Republic, represented by continuously low stability (you have to be below 35% stability to take the first focus) has so disillusioned people that the time has come for a return to the kind of stable leadership a monarch provides. As such, you don’t immediately select a king - you first create the groundwork for a return to the monarchy by repealing the Law of Exile (which banned any pretender to the throne, or their heir, from setting foot on French soil) before picking one of three candidates (because having only one pretender is for the Boche!).

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The Orleanist candidate was perhaps the most moderate of the pretenders, ruling largely along the lines of a constitutional monarchy. As such, you focus heavily on social welfare and containing fascism - ironically, one of the first acts is to inform the arch-reactionary Action Francaise that they have served their purpose and will now no longer be needed. On the other end, the Bonapartist candidate has an ambitious program of reshuffling the borders of Europe and restore the family name. In the middle between the two are the Legitimists, which is a faction that split from the Orleanists in 1830 and which maintains that the Orleanist heir is not, in fact, the legitimate pretender to the throne. Through a number of dynastic events, the legitimate pretender to the throne of France, according to the Legitimists, is none other than the previously deposed King of Spain. As such, the obvious goal is to restore both his crowns to him, and potentially unite the two realms of France and Spain into a double monarchy (because that worked out so well for Austria-Hungary and Denmark-Norway).

Since the current French focus tree already has some (short) alternate ideology branches, these old branches will still be present if you don’t have the DLC, and replace the branches starting with “Invite Communist Ministers” and “Utilize the Leagues”, respectively.

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Finally, we also spent some time making sure France has the full lineup of design companies and some options in terms of naval designers.

That’s all for today. Next week we will talk about the rework of the Resistance and Occupation system coming with 1.8!
 
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PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE TELL ME THIER WILL BE SOMETHING WITH THE FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION. I think it would be really cool if you could gain an advisor to allow you to recruit more legionaries, much like Heinrich Himmler and recruiting of foreign SS divisions that you would have to equip with guns and other equipment but this could also helps with Frances manpower draw backs. That or maybe work as a decision that would go along with the decrease in stability or war support to allow for more foreign legion units to be made. In my opinion it has been one of the biggest thing France has been needing that was never really hit on early game. That and it would allow for events such as French foreign legionaries under free France to do battle with French foreign legionnaires to fight each other such as they did in Syria in. Maybe even allow desicions to recruit legions from German dissidents who had to flee the country during the rise of the Nazis or recruits from those countries that had already fallen to nazi control such as the Polish, Checks, or Austrians.
 
Wonderful!

I hope that older trees will someday be reworked and expanded just as well as Mexico and France's, as many of them are sorely lacking.
 
PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE TELL ME THIER WILL BE SOMETHING WITH THE FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION. I think it would be really cool if you could gain an advisor to allow you to recruit more legionaries, much like Heinrich Himmler and recruiting of foreign SS divisions that you would have to equip with guns and other equipment but this could also helps with Frances manpower draw backs. That or maybe work as a decision that would go along with the decrease in stability or war support to allow for more foreign legion units to be made. In my opinion it has been one of the biggest thing France has been needing that was never really hit on early game. That and it would allow for events such as French foreign legionaries under free France to do battle with French foreign legionnaires to fight each other such as they did in Syria in. Maybe even allow desicions to recruit legions from German dissidents who had to flee the country during the rise of the Nazis or recruits from those countries that had already fallen to nazi control such as the Polish, Checks, or Austrians.
No just foreign legion...

Colonial troops should be represented too (no just putting an Adrian helmet on an African infantry model). I played bfv yesterday hahaha

They deserve it
 
Today we cover the base tree, next week we will be looking at the reowrk of the resistance and occupation system, and in two weeks we return to take a look at Free France and Vichy.
I can't wait for the Vichy focus tree. Historically Vichy France was a neutral state (under quite a bit of influence from Germany) up until Case Anton, when it was annexed by the Third Reich. I hope this will be represented in some way in the game.

By the way, you mentioned a rework of the resistance and occupation system. Historically there were a few strong resistance movements in mainland Europe, like the French Resistance (which is obviously covered by this rework), the Polish Home Army and the Yugoslav Partisans. Are there any chances for the latter two to be covered in this expansion, particularly the Yugoslav Partisans? I was a little disappointed that the Yugoslavia focus tree did not cover this aspect. Also, might this mean a Polish tree rework?
 
along with france will the soviet get rework as well or italy?
The devs have said that the Soviets will not be covered in this DLC. As for Italy though, it is rather likely that it will be included in this expansion.
This expansion will not be USSR. Soviet deserves a expansion pretty much for itself and fits better with some mechanic stuff I got planned for the future rather than now. I felt it was good to get this out of the way early because I know a lot of people wanna see Soviet stuff.
 
So will France not have to decolonise to avoid a civil war if they go communist unlike the UK?

To be honest i don't even understand the current implementation of the communist UK route.

Real life communist states like the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia did not grant high autonomies to federal member states. It was largely a formality only. Those states were highly centralized. Of course they've put high emphasis on the equality of the member states but not their autonomy. They tried to minimize identities tied to the member states and develop a new common identity (Soviet, Yugoslavian, etc).

In game terms it might be better to reduce economical benefits from former colonies to simulate less exploitation in exchange for increased manpower from those areas. But not granting autonomies to them.
 
not only does it seem that we will have armored cars but also infantry tanks as we see in the tab design companies

Doubt it, companies usually have flavour names with modifiers that correlate to the name. Mobile Companies already exist for the Russians, Americans and French for example. Besides, I personally don't see how they could fit in the tech tree, they were limited to certain countries, mostly the British and French, due to post-WW1 syndrome.

Franco - Polish alliance.
Rework of Resistance and Occupation
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Do I smell new Polish tree?

While a reworked Polish tree would be great, 70 days for 1 civilian factory is terrible, I just don't see it happening with this DLC/patch. I can see Poland being touched up on in the future Soviet rework since you can add lots of events between the two countries and hopefully represent the invasion of Poland by Soviet forces.

Thank you a lot for your hard work!

So now you can balkanize Germany, can we do the same with France? Maybe Brittany and Corsica?
And also please add Quebec as new tag :D

Balkanizing would be fun, though many countries that were formed pre-WW1 started to have less of the regional identity and more the national identity, though some exceptions such as Bavaria. So moderation would be nice. Regarding Quebec, I must ask why? During this time, French Canadians in the province favoured more provincial autonomy, wasn't until the 1960s and fear of the Anglo Canadians "taking over" Quebec that they wanted to leave the Confederation. I could get behind fracturing Canada into the 9 provinces, but not just Quebec.

that's not with respect, that's just posting something negative without anything of substance as to why, or what could be done differently.

The air tree hasn't been touched up on, so yeah it's lacking. The navy is better though, not as large as I personally would've hoped for France considering they are a London Naval Treaty participant, but it's better than before. I'm pretty sure Czechoslovakia has a bigger air tree than France now and that's just unacceptable, in my opinion.

along with france will the soviet get rework as well or italy?

They already said in last week's diary that the Soviet rework will be the expansion after this one, sorry to burst your bubble.
 
In this rework, what is the historical branch is a bit confusing and I think Pdx should indicate in some way in all of my own approach that it is the historical and that it is the alternative because in some it is difficult to distinguish them and more having the approaches lately
 
Ähm what about the Sovietunion? The Focus is unpratical i think it is Important too please dont forget it I talked even about Tuchaschesky Coup about that
the Soviet Union will be changed at some point in the future, but has been confirmed to not be in this expansion (I expect it will be in the next one as if this one covers Italy and France it will be the only major without a reworked tree).
 
In this rework, what is the historical branch is a bit confusing and I think Pdx should indicate in some way in all of my own approach that it is the historical and that it is the alternative because in some it is difficult to distinguish them and more having the approaches lately

Yeah it's a bit weird but so was France, I believe the political path is going Front Popular, then going down to Review Foreign Policy and take Buy Time to represent the policy of Appeasement with Hitler. Sort of like how you guy left with Roosevelt, but go back to the right side to represent neutrality, but slowly introducing more left-leaning polices over time.
 
Not been announced, we don't even have the DLC and update name, so I'm guessing 2020, most likely middle or end of the year.

I think it will be here in Q2 2020 at the latest and is more likely to be in one of the first few months of 2020 (februari 2020 would be a year and as such more time than any previous expansion has taken) or the end of this year.