Stellaris Dev Diary #185: Announcing Necroids

[-Marauder-]

you gotta have faith! Hallelujah! Ignore everything that was before! The Messiah never came but someday it will! and the promised land of fixed stellaris will arrive and the faithful will life in bliss.

Don't ask questions, just consume product, then get excited for next product. The past is the past, no way we can use it to extrapolate for the future and set our expectations according to it.

So throwing a tantrum is the right reaction? The right reactionto a tantrum is to ignore whoever is throwing it.

The devs have already shown willingness to cut communication if the forums continue to be toxic like this. Why do you insist on doing it?

So, you are saying we should ignore you? Because most of the criticism here is well-founded, worded, and polite. While you are coming in guns blazing attacking everyone who voices any kind of dissent or disagreement. Simply declaring it a "tantrum" is an ad-hominem, a very obvious attempt at trying to smear and discredit those with legitimate issues.

Also, nice try on attempting to shift the blame towards the players. The devs, especially the late Martin have engaged in incredibly toxic and volatile behaviour themselves. They also cut contact more to avoid having to answer inconvenient questions, address criticism, attempt to fix major problems.

...guess the 3x performance boost and various other bugfixes in the bugfixes patch of 2.7 are worth nothing. Got it.

Performance for me stayed relatively the same. Given my PC is not a potato. Some minor bug fixes of recently introduced issues isn't something to commend them for. Especially when major parts of the game have been broken for 6-12+ months. With no ETA on any kind of fix, much less an acknowledgment that one is needed, at all.

 

[James Fire]

You are correct, since said fix doesnt address the root of the problem, but merely delays its appereance.

It delayed it enough to continue to play pretty normally. Were you expecting a magical "fix" buttonto be pressed?t

 

[Koopatin]

Yeah the only difference is that the game will never be fixed. Stellaris is like a girlfriend that gives you no affection. So you keep buyng nice things to her hoping that one day she will really fall in love with you, but she never will. Instead, she will find someone better, more good looking, maybe richer (stellaris 2 in this metaphore) and she will leave you for him.
So yeah, who keeps this attitutide is a simp, stop being delusional.

in that metaphor YOU would find a new better girlfriend in stellaris 2 to be disappointed the same way again.

 

[James Fire]

Don't ask questions, just consume product, then get excited for next product. The past is the past, no way we can use it to extrapolate for the future and set our expectations according to it.




So, you are saying we should ignore you? Because most of the criticism here is well-founded, worded, and polite. While you are coming in guns blazing attacking everyone who voices any kind of dissent or disagreement. Simply declaring it a "tantrum" is an ad-hominem, a very obvious attempt at trying to smear and discredit those with legitimate issues.

Also, nice try on attempting to shift the blame towards the players. The devs, especially the late Martin have engaged in incredibly toxic and volatile behaviour themselves. They also cut contact more to avoid having to answer inconvenient questions, address criticism, attempt to fix major problems.




Performance for me stayed relatively the same. Given my PC is not a potato. Some minor bug fixes of recently introduced issues isn't something to commend them for. Especially when major parts of the game have been broken for 6-12+ months. With no ETA on any kind of fix, much less an acknowledgment that one is needed, at all.

I love how you conveniently ignore the fact that there are many people here not engaging in polite discourse, and the fact that derailing the thread doesn't help. Which is solely on the players.

 

[wundergoat]

Customers can also whine like children. A few people here have actually stated there problems with the game in ways that seem alot less like whining and complaining and more like decent complaints.

Its really all in an eyes of the beholder sort of thing.

Agree. I’m sympathetic to the AI and crisis issues. It sucks that for the IMO massive improvement the planetary rework was that we lost functional AI opponents and threatening crisis, but I remain hopeful.

I am not sympathetic to the individual who thinks it is productive to downvote/disagree with every positive comment about the content of this DLC.

 

[JosunUrashima]

If. "If" the game is fixed. That's a huge "if" at this point. Financing improvement through DLC has been the strategy for years now. And it certainly makes sense in an abstract way. But in practice with Stellaris it has failed. It has been years of that and many fundamental game systems just don't work. You can only string along people so far with promises of fixes until they don't believe you anymore.

depending on ones pov of view, it seems to be working just fine for Paradox's other games, since sometimes the stuff I've seen people complain about for Stellaris is similar to stuff in things like CK2, HOI4, EU4, Imperator, etc.

 

[alteration]

So throwing a tantrum is the right reaction? The right reactionto a tantrum is to ignore whoever is throwing it.

The devs have already shown willingness to cut communication if the forums continue to be toxic like this. Why do you insist on doing it?

It's easy to label every complain as toxic and use that as an excuse to not address issues. This community was not toxic 1-2 years ago, it was actually very costructive, with devs responding daily to complains. Idk if the reason was Wiz leaving the team, but now the game is a mess and the devs are not addressing problems.
Like a dev responded to this post sayng they are working on quality of life improvements, when 99% of the posts are about AI issues. Things will only get worse.

...guess the 3x performance boost and various other bugfixes in the bugfixes patch of 2.7 are worth nothing. Got it.

Performance was addressed because people complained a lot, at a point that they attired media attention. We need to do the same now.

 

[Apollo1784]

So they did make progress. Everyone here is acting as though they didn't.

Taking a step forward after 3 steps back does not count as progress

 

[James Fire]

The only toxicity here is yours. Please stop spreading it.

Telling people that they shouldn't demand what the devs don't have is toxic?

 

[Scanz]

necroids are awesome, but.... WHEN ROBOTS SHIPS AND CITIES ?

 

[James Fire]

Taking a step forward after 3 steps back does not count as progress

The three steps back were before. Not acknowledging what they've done is disingenuous.

 

[Hundar]

It delayed it enough to continue to play pretty normally. Were you expecting a magical "fix" buttonto be pressed?t

No it doesnt delay enough, people still report issues by 2500.
"Were you expecting a magical "fix" buttonto be pressed?" Yes, i paid for a product i expected to be fixed. I EXPECT that the product is TESTED before being release and working.

 

[Rosthun]

...guess the 3x performance boost and various other bugfixes in the bugfixes patch of 2.7 are worth nothing. Got it.

Where do you even get this 3x performance boost from lmao. Get a clock, open up different vesions of the game (1.9.1 (pre-Apocalypse), 2.1.3 (pre-Megacorp), 2.2 (Megacorp) and 2.7.2 (current version), run an observer game for each and clock the game speed 200 years in. To save you time, I did that, and performance got a little bit worse from 1.9.1 to 2.1.3, then a LOT worse from 2.1.3 to 2.2, then a little bit better from 2.2 to 2.7.2, but it's still worse than that in 2.1.3, let alone 1.9.1 and earlier versions. The difference between 1.9.1 and 2.7.2 is about 50%, meaning a year in 2.7.2 takes about 50% more time to pass than in 1.9.1. How does it feel to blatantly lie to try and prove your point?

 

[JosunUrashima]

Paradox would still release the species pack, so I fail to see how stopping communication would do anything.

Some people would at least be happier to be able to have back and forth shouting matches with the devs rather than silence, as the former can be more catharic, or at least give the impression you aren't being ignored.

Granted, sometimes I think some folks here just want the devs to reply so they can vent off steam.

 

[ImaTomato]

...guess the 3x performance boost and various other bugfixes in the bugfixes patch of 2.7 are worth nothing. Got it.

It's not even close to being x3 improvment and I didn't even notice any improvement at all.

 

[James Fire]

It's easy to label every complain as toxic and use that as an excuse to not address issues

Where did I label everything as toxic?

the devs are not addressing problems.

They are trying, and basically nobody is bothering to even try give them the benefit of the doubt. They did 2.6, and 2.7, just 4 months ago. Then went on vacation. Its not surprising nothing happened during that time, and now you're demanding info as if they've been working all that time.

 

[-Marauder-]

I love how you conveniently ignore the fact that there are many people here not engaging in polite discourse, and the fact that derailing the thread doesn't help. Which is solely on the players.

I don't think you not engaging in polite discussion somehow helps your argument. That's like flipping a table in an angry huff, then proclaiming you won't be playing monopoly with the other players anymore if they can't stop overreacting by shifting blame for your own actions.

 

[Juboboman]

Telling people that they shouldn't demand what the devs don't have is toxic?

Passive aggressive trolling, namecalling, and playing obtuse when called out on it is toxic, yes.

 

[James Fire]

It's not even close to being x3 improvment and I didn't even notice any improvement at all.

You didn't watch the video that they showcased the improvements in then, and that second part would definitely depend on your hardware, but I highly doubt you had no change.

 

[James Fire]

Passive aggressive trolling, namecalling, and playing obtuse when called out on it is toxic, yes.

You didn't answer my question.