Check the threads in the forum: it's an in-advance organized attack. A bunch of people agreed in advance to derail the thread and forbid anyone else from discussing the DLC.
So, essentially, you cannot fathom the idea that people have real, legitimate complaints about real, legitimate problems in the game, that persisted for months or even years and understandably told the devs what they would rather have than a vague 51 second teaser and a new Civic that we know nothing about except it's name, both as part of an upcoming DLC that'll add more features that are cool and all, but won't be as enjoyable as they could be, because the underlying game doesn't work as intended, so instead you make up a harebrained conspiracy theory about people wanting to "forbid" others from talking about the DLC, even going as far as saying they planned on doing this? How disingenuous can you get? I mean, really now?
Because whiners gonna whine.
Pointing out that something that is broken is broken, but shouldn't be broken is considered whining now? How would you describe criticism then?
And again the dumb "Fix it instead!"
Wanting errors to be fixed, and asking for it repeatedly if all you get for an answer is silence over the couse of years is "dumb"? How?
People who were whining should have watched the Twitch live stream. They explained a few things that might have shut them up.
Such as?
Or just you know, use your brain. You might find some common sense up there.
Common sense such as a train of thought that goes: 'If a game that is meant to be fun doesn't work properly it isn't fun, so it should be made to work properly so it'll be fun"?
Wew, hadn't been here in a while. Had no idea the community had reached Smash Bros-tier when it comes to constantly whining about everything. We even got wojacks here, good stuff.
Yeah, all those people whining about other people expressing legitimate grievances with the current state of the game and the developer's apparent reluctance to fix it. Crazy, right?
Gotta hammer those devs about completely unrelated things! Gotta make them regret communicating.
Gotta hammer those people that like the game about their wanting to see the game be as good as it could be and telling the devs as such! Gotta make them regret communicating.
...lol... you guys (users) are really ... hmmm ... first the devs postet some dd with techical informations... users complain and get angry cause they want information about new dlc and stuff.... now the devs tell us about the new species-pack (dlc) ... and... users complain and get angry cause they want to see how game will be fixed .... seems like you guys just want to blame paradox, and thats no constructiv critic, its just shit, so what do you think wil change if you complain in every fucking post the devs make? exapt that the devs get rid of reading it?
The dev diaries about technical infos were about technical infos that (almost) nobody even knew about because the overwhelming majority of people had none of the problems outlined in them, while none of the more well known ones were specifically adressed. Also, the people that complained about them not talking about new gameplay features are
not the same as those that want the game to be fixed on the technical side. You are just cherry picking two wholly different types of comments and conflating them with each other to try and prove a nonexistent point and make people look bad for no reason!
In response to disagrees: Alright, yep. The devs are slaves to give us whatever info we demand, whenever we demand it.
Nobody, and I mean
nobody, claimed that the developers are our (the consumer's) slaves! Stop putting words into other people's mouths just because they actually want to see the game be improved, bugs to be fixed and gameplay mechanics to be working as intended!
Edit: 4 comments, many disagrees, and not one reply. Is it because everyone knows I'm right?
No, some people just didn't get to read your comment immediately after you've written it and take longer to write their replies.
A species pack means the programmers are working on the game, not shiny new features.
A species pack
is a shiny feature, though.
Having caught up more, the answer I get at this point is two-fold.
1- To these players, its not a pet issue but serious business. but also...
2- Yes, they'd probably rather have that at this point.
1. - Pretty much.
2. - Absolute radio silence until they present fixes for the micro hell, Crisis AI, Sector AI and AI in general respectively would probably be received worse (in the short term, at the very least), but word on any progress on fixing these, or on whether the are even working on that at all (which may very well be the case, but there's simply no way of knowing for sure until someone actually says so), would already go a long way.
Has the game not been improved every patch? Discounting the new content, did 2.6 and 2.7 do nothing?
Improved in every patch? Arguably, but never quite enough and not nessecarily in the areas that actually desperately need fixing, and often with a bunch of other issues in tow.
So throwing a tantrum is the right reaction?
Going off of what you've said in this thread, and without wanting to come off as insulting, merely stating what I've perceived your comments to be, you seem to think so.
I love how you conveniently ignore the fact that there are many people here not engaging in polite discourse, and the fact that derailing the thread doesn't help. Which is solely on the players.
In their defense, staying polite when somebody categorically opposes everything you are saying is rather difficult, and while yes, you are correct in that this is not the place to talk about these things, it is the only one where a lot of forum users feel like that talking about them actually matters, actually
gets heard, which is the whole point of talking about these issues in the first place.
Telling people that they shouldn't demand what the devs don't have is toxic?
Telling people that they shouldn't try to communicate the issues they've had over the course of years in response to receiving more things that are good on their own, but imply (perhaps wrongly so, but how would we know?) that the devs are refusing to tackle the ones they (the players) mention over the same course of the same years is, at the very least, needlessly contrarian. Toxic? Not really, but still confrontational for seemingly no good reason; just as someone could say that it's needless to complain about lack of bugfixing because it either won't happen, or will happen "in due time", it is pretty unnessecary to point out to those people to stop talking about these issues, because they'll continue to do so regardless until those fixes actually do happen.
The three steps back were before. Not acknowledging what they've done is disingenuous.
So is not acknowledging what they
haven't done despite numerous forum threads and posts talking about that.
It appears people would rather complain than be reasonable.
Derailing the thread, no matter how polite the comments may be, is not called for.
While I fundamentally agree with you, the fact that not just one or two, but a lot of people derail this thread should be pretty telling about how long any fixes for the previously mentioned issues have been postponed. Is it really unreasonable to do so if making multiple threads specifically about these topics seemed to have no effect?
And you continue to prove my point, about people preferring to complain about something unrelated than the topic of the thread. Enjoy.
Preferring to complain about something unrelated than the topic of the thread because the alternative didn't seem to have any effect, you mean?
Doesn’t change the fact that not responding to this sort of negative behavior is a reasonable course of action.
So it is a "fact" that reiterating persistent problems, to bring them to the attention of those capable of fixing them, is best answered with not doing anything about those problems that have been so bad for so long that people bring them up at any possible opportunity, hoping that their voices will eventually be heard and understood? I am not sure if you know what a fact (or for that matter, a good idea) is.
the players just flame instead of giving constructive comments...
The constructive comments have been written at length in their dedicated threads, and you are free to read them. There comes a point where you don't explain every minute detail about something, and instead assume that people already know what you are talking about simply by naming it, because it's been said so many times before. I think we are at a point where somebody asking something along the lines of "When will the Crisis AI be fixed?" or "Will you do anything about micromanagement?" needs no further explanation as to just what was meant by that.
It's so irritating to see every dev diary swarmed with people bringing up their pet grievances which have nothing to do with the topic and (often rudely) demanding employees work on issues that aren't in their area of jurisdiction.
it's so irritating to see every attempt to bring errors in the game to light be met with people somehow against the idea of wanting a game with as little flaws as realistically possible before expanding on it. Also no-one is (rudely) demanding employees to work on issues that aren't in their jurisdiction, people are demanding employees to work on issues that
are in their jurisdiction, either because people outside the dev team (modders) have shown that they could've done their work better (which I can see as being somewhat grating after a while), or because
they themselves did a better job in the past (i.e.: Crisis AI 1.9 vs. now), and cannot be improved by anyone outside the dev team, because those things are hardcoded.
Yeah, cause anybody who agrees with me is a hero, standing up for all the players, but anyone who disagree's, or is just stoked to have a new racepack to play is a shill........... you have NO IDEA whether or not the accompanying patch will fix/change anything. 6 months of pdx working on this game, ever consider the fact they've been quiet for months because they are TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES??? The whining about the AI has no place in an announcement thread for a racepack. They know there are issues. The same group of people creating threads on it all the time is just pointless and boring.
Exactly! None of us have any idea whether the fixes we wanted for the game for so long are finally coming. That's the whole point of all this! If they've been quiet for months because they are "TRYING TO ADRESS THE ISSUES", then I'd say a majorly negative response to an otherwise unrelated announcement is reason enough to stop being silent about "the bugfixing patch to end all bugfixing patches" that you seem to forsee. Further, the creation of more threads about these issues is
not "pointless", because the reasons those threads are being made still persist. Also, stop calling this "whining"; you are the one who's doing nothing except telling other people to shut up, in all caps, no less.
If you look at facebook and youtube this content pack has been well received. This forum is just a negative echochamber.
You might be onto something with the echochamber part, but it doesn't change the fact that these complaints were made based on valid reasons.
but at least, if there are mods out there wich do a better job, than use them and dont just complain, flame and tell how shit it is,
The problem is that, while there are indeed several mods that fix several problems in the game, there are also enough problems that modders
cannot fix.
well, than look at it from the point "why is the forum dead?"
howeverif it truly is like you say, than we are close to the point i sayed about Star Trek Online, and the fault is on both sides, the devs don't doing what the users want and the users using the forum "incorrectly"... so yah, what to do...? I would stop complaining here and go another way, if "working" with the creators is not possible, i will "work" with the modders who "cares more"... its not the way it sould be, but if ther is no other, why wasting time?
The forum is considered "dead" by some due to their perceived lack of developer interaction with the community as opposed to how things were a few years ago, so they went ahead and started talking about the issues they usually would have discussed (sometimes with devs) in their own threads in ones where they could be absolutely sure the devs would see them, without having to have to visual confirmation in form of a reply, even if it means doing it in threads not at all about them, and your solution to change things back to how they used to is to simply stop talking about these issues altogether, because somehow both sides are at fault? Seems counterproductive to wanting to see the game fixed, to me, to be honest.
