Awesome! Although, not being able to make the Borg ( Assimilation through technology ) is somewhat less so... But, maybe this will be part of the Synthetic ascencion path, so I shall keep mine hopes.
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
Hive minds don't have access to normal civics, just hive-specific ones. Purifier is a normal civic. So no. (There might be some kind of analogue, but hives already have auto-purging of non-hive species)
Well there's that tiny problem that if your neighbor invades you, but you win and take even a single planet as recompense, then everyone will now hate you.
I've got to join in on the camp that doesn't like the way Hive Minds handle non HM species. There is plenty of way that a hive mind could easily "comprehend" the concept of individuals. To start, unless there's some sort of "Unified Biosphere" civic, and unless you take it, a hive mind would have know "others" even on it's own home planet. They may animal others, and they may or may not have their own hive mind, but they would exist. For that matter, much like human individuals share a planet with insect hive-minds, and so are exposed to the idea, a hive-mind could have species native to it's own world that are individuals and so be exposed to the concept of individual existences.
Aside from that, it's also a possible stretch for a hive-mind to consider an individual human a very compact hive-mind colony. After all, on a cellular level, the human body could be considered to be a hivemind of sorts.
So it's been said that HM pops in non-HM empires will die.
I HOPE this means those empires too will get a massive diplomacy penalty for killing my pops. Otherwise...
"Oh look, my neighbor declared war on me. He wants some of my planets. War it is. But if I take any planets as compensation, then everyone will hate me for purging their pops... And since I want to be a friendly HM, I suppose I'm stuck humiliating him. Maybe liberating a planet or two. Though since I don't have any ethos other then HM, who knows what the liberated empire will be. At best they will be diametrically opposed to their origin civ."
"Well shucks, looks like he won. And now my pops on the conquered planets are being purged... but nobody cares. Or they are dying on their own because somehow my hive minds psionic link cannot cross his borders. Either way the result is the same, and nobody gives a damn."
Yup, that sounds fun...
I agree with those guesses. Not sure what Ascetic would be, looks like a hand holding a feather or a leaf. Looking at the definition, which is practicing severe self discipline and absistence, usually for religious reasons. Not sure how that would translate to a hivemind. Maybe it's the closest a hivemind gets to spiritualist?
I think it's the hive mind's environmentalist analogue, the symbols look pretty similar.
maybe food efficiency? A Hive Mind still needs to feed its bodies after all.
I'm very hopeful that more info about cybernetic ascension will include the possibility of a distinct type of cyber-hive.
It absolutely makes sense for that kind of path to be VERY different than a 'natural' biologically evolved hivemind, where the drones never had individual minds in the first place and 'normal' culture never developed.
But I really hope there are some sort of analogues possible under the synthetic ascension, if not in the 'only one mind controlling all the mindless drones' type that these hives use. The existing 'subconscious consensus' at the very least.
It absolutely makes sense for that kind of path to be VERY different than a 'natural' biologically evolved hivemind, where the drones never had individual minds in the first place and 'normal' culture never developed.
But I really hope there are some sort of analogues possible under the synthetic ascension, if not in the 'only one mind controlling all the mindless drones' type that these hives use. The existing 'subconscious consensus' at the very least.
*looks back at the first post*
*spots the environmentalist civic*
Oh yeah, missed that earlier, and you're right about it, though the word 'ascetic' isn't usually applied to environmentalism.
Sure, but environmentalism implies a group of people who look after the environment, whereas ascetic implies individual who lives with nature. Hence making it more fitting for hive minds.
I have more ideas for playthroughs than I did pre-release. Very impressed with the amount of content going into this. Wish I could play it today.
While you guys are revamping the government interfaces, will it now be possible to change our empire's name, adjective, and ship prefix in-game?
I understand from the game mechanic perspective of why they limited Hive Minds to the biology ascension path, but I do hope that they add the possibility for cybernetic and psionic Hive Minds via tech research and ascension perks in the future. Who does not want the try a crack at the Borg Collective?! Yes, mods will probably open these possibilities, but I think the general Stellaris audience would welcome these possibilities without having to managing extra mods.
Edit: There are also great possibilities for stoking new end game crises from these possibilities. Not to mention body snatcher and parasitic (The Flood) hive minds. Put it on your to do list devs! Please!
Edit: There are also great possibilities for stoking new end game crises from these possibilities. Not to mention body snatcher and parasitic (The Flood) hive minds. Put it on your to do list devs! Please!
I hope I can make the assumption that you need Psionic Theory researched before picking the "Mind over Matter" Ascension Perk. I'm certain other perks are tech locked as well. A Spiritualist version of mechanists would start with Psionic Theory researched and few POPs with whatever the lvl 1 psychic trait is for POPs.
I'm going to make a civic like that once I figure out how it works.
Last edited:
I feel like a hivemind shouldn't cancel out the psionic path, after all they already have some pretty hardcore psionic connection between individuals going on, but otherwise I just can't purge my excitement for this update.
Just one thing.
For Syncretic Evolution.
Allow us to choose the Appearance of the Second Species.
If I play Foxes and Get Roaches as Subservient Species. I will get a crisis!!
For Syncretic Evolution.
Allow us to choose the Appearance of the Second Species.
If I play Foxes and Get Roaches as Subservient Species. I will get a crisis!!
Two questions.
Can you change that name?
Does it also Change the Prefix for my Ships, and if yes, can I change that too?
Ship prefixes are written in by the player in the same screen where you pick namelists used by your empire, so that doesn't effect it, besides the government name isn't your empire's name; it's simply a class that you can look at to see what government style the other empires are using at a glance.
I would think that adding a special civic for cybernetic hive minds would make things a little more interesting than just blocking that ascension perk altogether. Though, as long as those limitations are not hard-coded, a little modding can make any such problem.
Also, will the Machine Consciousness from the AI Uprising disaster also count as a hive-mind empire, or are they a separate class?
Also, will the Machine Consciousness from the AI Uprising disaster also count as a hive-mind empire, or are they a separate class?