The authoritarians are even more slavery focused than the collectivists it would seem and anyway it is still primarily the xenophobe part of the ethos that would be responsible for the fanatical purifier personality.
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The authoritarians are even more slavery focused than the collectivists it would seem and anyway it is still primarily the xenophobe part of the ethos that would be responsible for the fanatical purifier personality.
They have a brain, I'm not sure what you mean by a "mind". Free Will? I'm sure they have a conscious existence and the ability to exercise judgement in some capacity, they are just heavily driven by their instincts. I'd love to know by what metric and evidence you claim they lack a "mind".
I don't mean they take orders from her, I mean they exist to "serve" the queen in as far as they cater to her needs, which likely is what she desires anyway.
Sorry, but, no. Calling ants or bees "hive minds" contributes to misinforming people of how those social structures function. It limits how people can conceive and think about them. Xenomorphs have far more in common with IRL eucosial organisms than with fictional hive-minds, regardless of what term wikipedia chooses to use.
Again, your conception of a hive mind is far too sharply defined as compared with that of the general population. You're using a definition that people do not recognise.
I'm really not, and that's the problem. Pop-culture is the ruling definition of what a "hive mind" is, and its a definition entirely inaccurate to actual eusocial animals. Using it in relation to them limits how people think about them and how they understand them, whereas the reality can be far more interesting.
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I don't get the robots immiscibility with psionics theme. It seems to be just pointless flavor.
No, a hive mind or swarm intelligence isn't what ants and bees are. In fact, bees are quite independent and capable of independent learning: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170223142100.htm (okay, bumblebees, not 'bees'), there is no evidence of any sort of psychic link that connects all of them where they share the same 'mind'.
Maybe there's something about organic brains that allow it to work while inorganic brains can't do it?
Though synth scientists actually can get the psionic trait.
I appreciate your help, but I will point out that "swarm intelligence" is indeed something seen in real life- it specifically refers to the highly efficent emergent problem-solving that comes out of eusocial hives. As a swarm, an ant hive is far more intelligent than any single ant, but that's a property of their individual actions building off of each other in very complex and intricate patterns.
It's not "pointless flavour"- it's worldbuilding in service of developer expediency. The event chain text for the Psionic and Synthetic Ascensions are, presumably, simply incompatible with the text for Hive Minds. They'd have to double their work re-writing stuff to fit that fringe case.
Furthermore, there are probably balance concerns to take into consideration.
Making an in-universe explanation for why it's not available is better than it being purely mechanical in nature.
You stick to one, very limiting definition of a hive mind and completely ignore the fact, that your opinion on the semantics of a certain term do not matter if the majority uses that term with other definitions in mind. You fail at understanding of a basic idea, that it's the majority that determines what a word means, not some sci fi nerd on the internet. And majority tends to use those terms as synonyms.
What you just did is known as "Argumentum ad populum"- its a fallacy. Most people are referring to bees and ants as having "hive minds" because it is a pop-culture meme that such things have a hive mind- but they don't. They operate under a very different mechanism than what people tend to mean when they say "hive mind".
Just because most people would call bees or ants hive minds does not make them hive minds. Learn some biology, learn some science. They're certainly not the sort of Hive Mind present in Stellaris- which means if nothing else, trying to use them as an information point for Stellaris Hive Minds is useless.
Oh yeah, you're right. Was probably conflating the two. There's also the term 'Superorganism'.
Eusociality could certainly be seen as a type of hivemind, but I don't know how often true eusocial aliens are treated as hiveminds in Sci-Fi.
That's kind of the problem with using the term hivemind, it's not a scientific term like 'eusocial' with one standard definition that everybody agrees on, hivemind has a bunch of varied definitions which differ from person to person.
BlackUmbrellas probably stated it better than me though.
Xenomorph armies. A mid-game army composed of genetically engineered alien monsters.
It's unfortunate, yeah. Actual eusocial organisms are quite interesting to look into- the degree of personality any given member of a hive can display and how it influences what roles they take is pretty amazing. An ant colony or a bee hive isn't actually that "alien" if you look closely enough at it.
No one uses the term "hive mind" to imply that bee hives or anthills have a single consciousness. People use it as a more popular synonym to swarm intelligence. You simply don't understand other people and what they mean. They can't use the wrong word because the use determines the word and the majority perfectly understand each other when they use that term. It's you who are out of the loop trying to bring science into a casual discussion.
"Eusocial" would be a nice trait, but I'm not sure what it would do. Maybe Pops would specialize for their tile, with a short term penalty for switching?
You're sounding a LOT like the way Trump supporters and right wing people complain about political correctness, just saying.
Or maybe some bonus to caste system which it would most certainly be locked to. I could see someone making a mod for it to have something hivemind-like, but isn't rigid like hiveminds.
I don't see why a eusocial species would be forced into hierarchical government anymore than a non-eusocial species. Humans calling their breeders "Queens" is just us projecting onto them.
I hate to say it, but you're overestimating people.
Pop culture shapes popular consciousness and the common understanding of what words mean, sure- but it doesn't always reflect reality. In fact, pop culture encourages a lot of blatantly untrue assumptions about the way the world works.
Pop culture is obsessed with the idea of the fiction of hive minds, and so applies the term in places where it doesn't belong, and in so doing shapes how people understand the world. Many people do believe that a bee hive or an ant colony is a hive mind where the queen controls all the workers- it's not true.
So, sorry, but I'm gonna keep this as a sticking point. IRL eusocial animals =/= hive minds.