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Tinto Flavour #13 - 11th of April 2025 - Saxony

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Fridays in which we take a look at the flavourish content of the super-secret Project Caesar!

This Wednesday, we had a Tinto Talks related to the HRE, so it may be fitting to take a look today at another German country with unique flavour content: Saxony! Let’s start without further ado:

The County of Meissen, a possession of the powerful von Wettin dynasty, had its origins as an eastern march of the Holy Roman Empire in the lands of the Sorbs and other Slavic people that were rapidly Germanized. The land, densely forested in its origins, has proved to be really fertile, and the mild climate, especially near the Elbe river, has allowed the Saxons living there to develop a Wine culture.

The Ore Mountains, separating the country from the Bohemian Crown, are rich in minerals, especially Silver that fuels the economy of the County. However, its apparent richness is a double-edged sword, as the country is seen with greedy eyes by its neighbors, and they might try to conquer it. Despite the potential threats, Meissen thrives as a significant territory in Upper Saxony.

Over time, the von Wettin rule has further expanded Meissen’s influence and fortified it against external pressures. With its fertile lands, rich resources, and strategic location, it stands as a prominent entity in the Empire, attracting admiration and envy from its neighbors.

The County of Meissen is the one we recommend to get all the Saxony-related content, since it was the polity that ended up unifying the region of Upper Saxony:

Country Selection.jpg

As usual, take any UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP.

Here are the lands of Meissen, and its neighboring country, Landsberg:
Meissen.jpg

Meissen starts with a semi-unique Government Reform that only a few countries in the HRE have:
Margraviate.jpg

And a couple of Estate Privileges for countries of German culture:
Right to Inherit.jpg

Magdeburg Rights.jpg

And a unique policy is available to German countries, as well:
Bergordnung.jpg

And a very important work of art:
Sachsenspiegel1.jpg

Sachsenspiegel2.jpg

And here some of the unique advances available for Meissen/Saxony, for different ages:
Advance Meissen Lion.jpg

Advance Meissen Groschen.jpg

Advance Saxon Court.jpg

Advance Furstenschule.jpg

Advance Meissner Porcelain.jpg

Let’s now take a look at some of the events available to Meissen.

Early on, this event will pop up:
The Acquisition of Landsberg.jpg

The land belong with us.jpg

Which will lead to this result:
Grossen Meissen.jpg

This event may also pop up:
A Gift from the Emperor.jpg

The second option is an alt-historical interesting one:
Meissner Groschen.jpg

We also have some late-game events, which are very fitting for a Saxony playthrough:
Johann Sebastian Bach.jpg

Or:
The Zwinger.jpg

Building Zwinger.jpg

Last, but not least, there's the possibility of unifying the Saxonian region into a proper tag:
Form Saxony.jpg

… And much more, but that’s all for today! Next week will be another intense week, since on Monday we will be taking a look at the Tinto Maps Feedback review of Western Africa; on Wednesday the Tinto Talks will be devoted to the Catholic religion and the Catholic Church IO; and on Thursday there will be new Tinto Flavour, about the Papal States (since next Friday it might be a somewhat important date for Christians, and a bank holiday in Spain). Cheers!
 
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The land, densely forested in its origins, has proved to be really fertile, and the mild climate, especially near the Elbe river, has allowed the Saxons living there to develop a Wine culture.

There seems to be some confusion about the use of Saxony and Saxons in this timeframe. As far as I know the name of Saxony has not yet moved that far south and was still mostly used for the areas where the Saxons lived (in yellow)

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or for the area formerly ruled by the Askian Duchy of Saxony (in green).
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Von Eduard Rothert - (Editor und Herausgeber) Eduard Rothert: Kartenmaterial in Karten und Skizzen aus der Entwicklung der größeren deutschen Staaten,Band VI des "Historischen Kartenwerkes", Teil a) Nord- und Mitteldeutschland,Düsseldorf 1902,, Gemeinfrei, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=48734277

The name moved further south to Meißen only when the Electorate of Saxony went there. After that people there would start to call themself Saxons (or Obersachsen at first in contrast to the original Niedersachsen). I don't know who lived there in the 14th century but I found this bit that the peoples in the modern Saxony area would be Sorbs, Thuringians, Francs and Flemings.

"Heute bezeichnen sich sowohl die mitteldeutschen Bewohner des Freistaates Sachsen selbst als auch Außenstehende diese Bewohner als Sachsen, obwohl deren Vorfahren hauptsächlich Sorben, Thüringer, Franken und Flamen waren."

Also I think that the name Saxony went that far south is a bit of a fluke of history and should be the exeption rather than the rule.
 
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There seems to be some confusion about the use of Saxony and Saxons in this timeframe. As far as I know the name of Saxony has not yet moved that far south and was still mostly used for the areas where the Saxons lived (in yellow)

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or for the area formerly ruled by the Askian Duchy of Saxony (in green).
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Von Eduard Rothert - (Editor und Herausgeber) Eduard Rothert: Kartenmaterial in Karten und Skizzen aus der Entwicklung der größeren deutschen Staaten,Band VI des "Historischen Kartenwerkes", Teil a) Nord- und Mitteldeutschland,Düsseldorf 1902,, Gemeinfrei, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=48734277

The name moved further south to Meißen only when the Electorate of Saxony went there. After that people there would start to call themself Saxons (or Obersachsen at first in contrast to the original Niedersachsen). I don't know who lived there in the 14th century but I found this bit that the peoples in the modern Saxony area would be Sorbs, Thuringians, Francs and Flemings.

"Heute bezeichnen sich sowohl die mitteldeutschen Bewohner des Freistaates Sachsen selbst als auch Außenstehende diese Bewohner als Sachsen, obwohl deren Vorfahren hauptsächlich Sorben, Thüringer, Franken und Flamen waren."

Also I think that the name Saxony went that far south is a bit of a fluke of history and should be the exeption rather than the rule.
Well, the name Saxony moved with the aristocratic family.

Saxony as state and Saxony as the old Saxon tribal dukedom are rather different.
 
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Well, the name Saxony moved with the aristocratic family.
Yeah, that's what caused the move of the name. That's what I meant with
The name moved further south to Meißen only when the Electorate of Saxony went there.

Saxony as state and Saxony as the old Saxon tribal dukedom are rather different.
In the timeframe we're talking about "Saxony" was refering to neither a Tribal Dukedom nor a state so I am a bit confused about that statement. I would think if you would say "Saxony" in this era you would refer to the variety of titles deriving from the Ascanian Duchy of Saxony (Saxe-Wittenberg, -Mölln, -Ratzeburg).
 
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