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Tinto Flavour #3 - 24th of January 2025 - Novgorod

Hello, and welcome to the third installment of Tinto Flavour, the happy Fridays in which we look at the flavour content of the super secret Project Caesar! This week we will be traveling to the cold north, where the Sovereign Lord Republic of Velikiy Novgorod lies beside Lake Ilmen:

"Originally founded by Slav and Norse people as Holmgård, the 'new city' of Novgorod became the main political and economic center in the north of the lands inhabited by the Russian people. Fiercely independent, the Novgorodian council elects its Prince among neighboring rulers, although the true power is held by its people, who thrive thanks to the commercial routes linking the rich inland resource-gathering outposts with the Baltic and White Seas.

However, in recent decades, the war with Sweden has been almost a constant, nowadays halted after the creation of the buffer state of Oreshek. Meanwhile, to the south, Muscovy has become a dominant power, with the backing of the Golden Horde. The proud inhabitants of Novgorod may have to face difficult decisions at these crossroads."

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Grand Prince Ivan Rurikovich I ‘Kalita’ of Muscovy is the Prince elected by the Council of Novgorod. As usual, please consider the UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP.

And here are the lands of Veliky Novgorod:
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Today with a different camera angle!

This is the starting situation of Novgorod:
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Pskov and Oreshek, the two first shown in the subject list, are vassals. The other subjects are pop-based tributaries; we need some work to make them visible on this screen. Besides that, Muscovy and the other countries with a similar color share a PU with Novgorod throughout their ruler, Ivan I.

Let’s now take a look at Novgorod itself. The first thing is the country's government type, which is a Republic. As per that, and Novgorod’s main culture belonging to the Russian culture group, two different things get unlocked. The first is a major government reform, the Veche Republic:
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The second is this Age of Traditions advance:
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This in turn unlocks the Veche Selection, a succession law that allows your country to select the ruler among neighboring countries:
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You might have noticed that Estates are important and powerful in the governance of Novgorod. This is also reflected in the unique privileges it starts with, with 3 unique privileges for Nobility:
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And one for Burghers:
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There are also some unique policies. The first is for the Legal Code law:
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And the second is for the Administrative System Law:
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Novgorod also has some unique works of art, such as:
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This will reappear later in this Tinto Flavour, keep an eye on it!

And a type of work of art that is unique to Orthodox and Miaphysite countries, the Icon:
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Speaking of Orthodoxy, there’s some Orthodox-related stuff that I’m just going to tease, as we will talk in detail about this in a future Tinto Talks, like this Law available to all Orthodox countries:
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Patriarchates, a concept that you will either love or hate as an Orthodox country!

Now let’s move into taking a look at some of the unique advances that are available to Novgorod:
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The last one unlocks another unique government reform, after it has been researched during the Age of Renaissance:
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Finally, let’s take a look at some of the events that Novgorod may get. The first appears early in the campaign, after an event that triggers to Sweden:
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Shall we debate with Swedish about theology, or just forward them for a Byzantine debate?

Another one that may trigger early on is this one:
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These Swedes are troublemakers!

This is an event you will get to expand the Cathedral of St. Sophia, with an option to start constructing a building on top of the WoA:
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This is another event that you can get after 1400:
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That will unlock a new government reform, that will replace the Veche Republic as your main government reform:
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…And much more content will be available for Novgorod, but that’s all for today! I hope you enjoyed today’s Tinto Flavour, next week we will be taking a look at Mali, the land of Mansa Musa! Cheers!
 

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There are also some unique policies. The first is for the Legal Code law:
Russkaya Pravda.jpg
Is this a shared policy for all Russian/Ruthenian tags?
 
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Why would you ever pick sovet gospod then, since it primarily increases the power even further but doesn't give you that much more loyalty since they're almost capped?
I'll hesitate to do it too and I'll play without doing it on the first try.

On the flipside, stability is increased directly by the government reform.
The peasants being unhappier will lead to costlier stability, besides leading to less food production.

Assuming the net stability increases, it will lead to:
  • more promotion speed
  • more estate satisfaction equilibrium
    • more institution growth
    • more parliament call bonuses
    • more control
    • more prosperity
      • more RGO output
      • more migration attraction
      • more population growth
      • more food production
      • more literacy cap
      • more development
        • more proximity, etc.
  • because nobles are happier, you get
    • counterespionage
    • prestige gain
      • more market attraction
      • less aggressive expansion, etc.
 
I hope the "Tatar Yoke" is not going to be a one dimensional relationship between the rus and the tatars. There is a well researched youtube video addressing the topic:


The Tatar relationship should have its advantages and disadvantages.
Just wanted to say, thanks for the video. Really great stuff, though was a bit disheartening to see Kraut basically get everything wrong.
 
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Calling it "holmgård" in the description is decidedly a swedishism (iofs... hellre det än danicismer tack ;) ) It should probably be written "Holmgarðr" in the description, as it was a Norse name, not a Swedish, and wasn't to my knowledge used anymore in the 14th century, or even spelled like that. Regardless, from what i know about medieval swedish, it was probably not "holmgård" in 1337, as much as i would like swedish players of paradox games to know that there are swedish words for where they're playing... (Böhmen for Bohemia, Valakiet for Wallachia)
 
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So I've looked into it and it doesn't seem like the rulers of Novgorod ever claimed to be Grand Princes unless they happened to be Grand Princes of Kiev or Vladimir(like in this case), therefore Veliky Novgorod should technically be a tier 2 tag at the start or at least have their ruler which are not Grand Princes of Vladimir at the same time just be called a Princes
 
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What are the reasons for adding russian culture in the mid-14th century? Novgorod is the Ilmen Slavs and an independent republic. The center of russia is moscow, in the mid-14th century the Finno-Ugrians lived there, ruled by Slavic rulers and they were tributaries of the Golden Horde. How can this be called a single russian culture???
Where do you see it? I'm really curious now.
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Дяк, тобто московська і новгородська відносяться до російської культурної групи бо пізніше це буде росія? Ще таке питання, Плоцька, Смоленська і Сивірянська культура відносяться до білоруської культурної грипи чи до російської чи як?
А іще, де ти ці картинки з культурами находиш?
I will answer in a private conversation as long as this is English-speaking forum only
 
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the population of Novgorod region (all) up to 400-500 thousand.
and this is provided that there are no crop failures.

this is a very poor region in terms of food, without food supplies from the south ( "Lowlands" - the Grand Duchy of Vladimir (all north-eastern Rus' without Smolensk and Ryazan (separate grand duchies) - Novgorod region was starving and dying out.

The Grand Dukes of Vladimir (the princes of Tver, Moscow, Nizhny Novgorod who bore this title) held Novgorod by the throat in terms of food supplies
 
The authors should decide.

If Ivan Kalita rules Novgorod (forced them to recognize his suzerainty), then the son of the Lithuanian prince has already been asked to leave Oreshek.

It's either one or the other.

Well, Oreshek was never a principality)
It was a territory given away to collect taxes for the maintenance of the Lithuanian prince's squad, which guarded this section of the border.
Without transferring rights and territory.
Usual Novgorod practice.
Transfer of income from the territory. Conventional Great Pronia, or Timar.
 
The Pskov Republic has been de facto independent since the end of the 13th century.

The official recognition of Pskov independence by Novgorod is interpreted as 1348 or 1326. In any case, the Novgorod Archbishop did not visit Pskov from 1326 to 1333, and in 1337 he cursed the Pskovians for failure to pay tribute.
and the next time he visited Pskov was only in 1352.
 
Komlenije is rather a process of managing territories in conditions of decentralization.
Malus to income. A boyar who received a territory for feeding had full power there, and supported himself (Kormil).
 
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