Tinto Flavour #6 - 14th of February 2025 - Bohemia

[Roger Corominas]

What a čarming man!


Embargo on Austria? Nice to see such a "reference" to the 1335 congress of Visegrád! I assume Poland and Hungary will start with this embargo too, then?


I really do hope Hungary will have something similar to these two, given the unusually high amount of cultural minorities with special rights and contributions (Saxon, Székely, Cuman, Jász seats etc.)


Will other countries have access to Wagenburgs too under certain circumstances? For example the armies of Hussites outside Bohemia, but the armies of John and Matthias Hunyadi and the Black Army loved to utilize wagenburgs as well.


Hussites, Hussite armies, factions and rebels will appear outside of Bohemia too, right?


Love that background art! I'm not entirely sure why Jan Hus has the Rosenberg coat of arms, though.


(Btw if the Holy Crown of Hungary doesn't get a unique Work of Art and model like that I am going to riot)


...and my next line would have been "if Bohemia doesn't get Beer events, I'm going to riot", but my wishes have been fulfilled!
You should perhaps add such events for whichever location Český Krumlov and Budejovice are in aswell, just sayin' ;')

1. There's specific things of the congress of Visegrad for Hungary and Poland
2. Hungary has other things
3. Wagenburg is exclusive for Bohemia
4. Once Hussitism has spawned, it's free to spread
5. That's actually not Jan Hus

 

[Roger Corominas]

Will the Luxembourg dynasty receive some help obtaining the emperor title ? Charles the IVth of Luxembourg son of Jean, king of Bohemia and emperor of the HRE is one of the most powerful leader of this timeperiod. The dynasty was also able to secure other thrones such as the Hungarian throne etc...

Also what about the 30YW ? Will the third defenestration lead to a big religious war ?

At the start of the game, Bohemia is the most powerful inside the HRE, so they're almost guaranteed to get the emperorship at some point.

 

[Roger Corominas]

but since 1332 there supposed to be a truce until 1343

suggestion: maybe do a DHE in 1343 where Poland has a choice between relinquishing cores in Pomeralia and Chelmno in exchange for Kuyavia and Dobrzyn(which are owned by the teutons) or to continue the war or status quo?

That would be an idea.. We'll see what we can do about it. As it's something that involves multiple countries we may do it multiple passes.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Are events scripted to only affect specific countries opinion of you or do some events work in a radius? Since there are so many countries, if you opt to change religions via an event, it should technically affect the opinion of 50+ catholic countries next to you in the HRE.

Some work on specific countries, other affect all around you.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Few questions:
1) What determines ones primary title?
2) IIRC, there are some Přemyslids left in Silesia, how plausible is it to get one of them on your throne?
3) Relatedly, how does Bohemian succession work? Traditionally Bohemia had something like an elective monarchy as I understand, is that represented in-game?
4) If Luxembourg held on to the Bohemian Crown and managed to integrate it as the senior partner, would they keep the electorate (and get at least some Bohemian flavour?)

1. Currently something being work on, as there were some weird things happening with it
2. They are the starting rulers of a couple of countries, so as long as you play well your political marriages it is possible.
3. It is currently hereditary
4. Some would still be present, other is tied to the BOH tag

 

[Roger Corominas]

Should either option affect social values?

They do already.

 

[Roger Corominas]

I admit I’m not an expert in Czech history, but I have a couple of notes.

- Will there be flavour for the League of Lords? Feels very relevant to early game Bohemia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Lords
- Why does Hussitism instantly become the official religion of Bohemia? I’m pretty sure that’s not what historically happened. Shouldn’t it be more of a civil war that other countries get involved in? Then again, it’s hard to create flavour for the complex chain of events regarding Wenceslas’ and Sigismund’s reigns…

1. Not right now, but it's also something I'd like to add
2. It doesn't instantly, it's just in one of the options and only converts the country (i.e. the estate), not its population

 

[Roger Corominas]

Will the Hussite faith appear if Bohemia no longer exists? If so, will it appear in a random country, or in the country that controls the majority of Bohemia?

It will appear to the owner of Prague.

 

[Roger Corominas]

There are some mistakes in names of Silesian duchies, that were already pointed out in the Poland Tinto Maps Feedback thread.

Should I wait patiently, as fixing that is on the to-do list, or should I repeat it/point out where it is, as it got lost in the long thread?

Silesia in theory has already been reviewed. If we missed something please point it out again.

 

[Roger Corominas]

1-I know that, I meant the type/kind of vassal since the icon is a bit different from the others
2-Why? That's a weird decision since it's more appropriate as the flag of a united Bavaria amd there are better choices;
This one here is better
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it was used for the Palatinate too but the Rhine had another variant Coa and eventually flags too
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And if you think that that the first one is too similar to the banner of Munich Bavaria then just use the modern Coa
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1. Oh, sorry, I thought you were asking for the country. It is a fiefdom, a special type of vassal.
2. The Palatinate one is already being used for the Palatinate. We think that the current one is the most accurate at the start of the game, but we can take another look at it.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Will there be long term consequences for winning the war and converting to Hussitism? Considering that bohemia will be in a different religion in a sea of catholic countries.

Being a different religion than everyone else is quite a long term consequence.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Why would you take align with the radicals?

If you want to radically convert (the modifier you get gives you bonuses)

 

[Roger Corominas]

Why King Jehan?
His name is either Johann in German, Jan in Czech or Jean in French.
So why use the old spelling of Jean? I have never ever heard or seen anyone call him that.

It's because of his culture, and the fact that we're using the old spelling of Jehan for French

 

[Roger Corominas]

Nice content, but I'm just wondering; is there any gameplay reason to align with the radicals over the moderates? It seems like a clear win-lose situation.

The modifier you get gives you some nice bonuses

 

[Roger Corominas]

I’ve read this a couple times but I’m not sure what it means

That for characters that are descendant from characters already present in game, that is not something we can force to happen (or rather, it would be too limiting if we had to force it)

 

[Roger Corominas]

Flag variants?

Sure, we have already quite a few in the game. There are some nice flags along the Hussite path....

 

[Roger Corominas]

I hope there will be Skalitz and Kuttenberg

Kuttenberg is in the game. Skalitz unfortunately is too small.

 

[Roger Corominas]

I wrote couple comments here:
part 1
part 2

Specifically regarding names of Silesian duchies, from the Countries section:
Zagan - Żagań
Oels - Oleśnica (Oels will be a German name of the city centuries later)
Tesin - Cieszyn (Tesin would be a Czech version of the name, missing diacritics)
Nam. - Namysłów (it could be correct for all I know, as we can't see the entire name, but make sure you have correct diacritics).

Namysłów is already appearing like that in the long name. We'll implement the rest, thank you.

 

[Roger Corominas]

• Can we review these icons, having the banner it making them less identifiable. I don't think the banner is needed. It wasn't used for the 'coins' on what I think was a tributary.

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• Can we get an Icon for Parliament here instead listing the base name in parenthesis after the flavor name?

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• I still feel the "Available in..." line isn't needed as the icon in the upper right indicates it.
• I would swap the location of "Allows" and "Wagenburg Regular Regiment" so it follows the rest of the typical lines <icon of thing> <thing> <effect>

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• Can these change to use the icons like production methods in buildings as that reads better than a list.
• If these are a per capita construction/maintenance cost can it be changed to the unit cost.
• (Not pictured) What is the basis of the colors on unit statistics? Is the 0.30 on food consumption red because it is a consumption or is the specific value more punishing than something? Is it as compare to base Renaissance Unit Type | Auxiliary?

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• I assume the 'We' in the first line is Bohemia but the wording feel off. I think "Our (State?) Religion changes to Hussitism"
• I am assuming that "In Defense of Hussitism" provides effects. These effects should be listed here as a sub list under its line. Please don't make us lock the tooltip and then go to its tooltip and possibly lock that one to see the tooltip of what the thing being affected is

• Can we change the Subtitle to "Religion | Christianity" like we do with unit type? This would also make the first line unnecessary.
• Are the listed items the type of things we should expect from religions?
• The listed items should follow the format of other tool tips (like advances) where the effect is right justified

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• Is the Hussite War a crusade, which I thought was an IO, or a situation as listed? Are Crusades/Jihad no longer IOs? Is it both? Are Crusades Situations with an IO?
• I think having the 'victory' conditions listed would be better than having to mouse over to see them. (Even more so as they are tied together.) If not can we get the red/green wax seal outside of both Victory.
• If the Papal States no longer exists does the situation still progress and the Catholics just can't win?
• Should Bohemia Exists be a condition for Hussite Victory?
• I think the length of the Situation should be listed on the this panel and not hidden in the Hussite victory condition.
• The Strength of each sided doesn't make sense? What does it represent and why does it add to 100%
• I think the 7 buttons lack something.
  • As the Align with appear to be exclusive maybe have them both on the same line with some indication that it is exclusive
  • I feel that the three Demand Donations could be on one line with Nobility, Pastor, Burgher as buttons
• What does this look like the Papal States?
• What does this look like for countries involved that are not the Papal States or Bohemia?

• ( Not pictured) For the list trees I feel that the 'tab' over can be reduced, branches should start from the check box that depend on them, and the main trunk should have its tail point up (preferably pointing into the 'title block' to a wax seal. Example show

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• Remove the Legal Code Law line and change the subtitle to "Policy | Legal Code"
• Why is it "Noble Estate Satisfaction" and "Nobles Power"? Change to one of the two
  • "Noble Estate Satisfaction" and "Noble Estate Power"
  • "Nobles Satisfaction" and "Nobles Power"

• Why is it showing an unmodified cost? How do I get a modified cost? Is it because the price of the good may change during construction?
• Can we cancel the construction and still be the other two bonuses?
• In this one it indicates "Starts constructing" and in Prepare the Defenses a Castle "will be constructed" what is the difference?

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Sorry for the length of the post.

We'll discuss all these with the UI team and see what we can do about it.

 

[Roger Corominas]

Oh, so the events from EU4 that pop up leaders like Isabella, Ivan IV and Süleyman are gone? That's sad, I always thought that was great flavour

Not gone, the events will use appropriate characters in the game, and they will have a separate historical_info text explaining the actual history in our timeline.