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Tinto Flavour #7 - 21st of February 2025 - Bavaria

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Fridays in which we take a look at the flavourish content of the new, super-secret Project Caesar.

Today we will be taking a look at Bavaria. Or, to be more precise, at the Duchies of Upper Bavaria and Lower Bavaria, as the Wittelsbach divided their lands among different branches; in addition to these two, the Treaty of Pavia (1329) also established the lands of the Electorate of the Palatinate of the Rhine (best known as The Palatinate) to be ruled by a third Wittelsbach branch.

"The Heartland of the Holy Roman Empire endured the long period of the Great Interregnum and looks to the next decades with worry. In the face of the advancing age of Holy Roman Emperor Ludwig IV. von Wittelsbach, the families of von Wittelsbach, Luxembourg, and von Habsburg once more prepare for a competition for the imperial crown. While imperial authority south of the Alps is deteriorating, German merchants scramble to secure their trade routes into Italy while Hanseatic League are enjoying their dominance over the region of North Germany.

Under the leadership of Holy Roman Emperor Ludwig IV. von Wittelsbach, the Duchy of Upper Bavaria is at the height of its power, as he commands respect and authority among the imperial princes. While the Duchy of Lower Bavaria is ruled by Duke Heinrich XIV. von Wittelsbach, his health is steadily declining due to his leprosy, and his expected early death could lead to a reunification of Bavaria.

With strong relations among the von Wittelsbach rulers of Europe, Bavaria is ready to claim its right to the imperial crown and dominance over central Europe against their rivals in Bohemia and Austria."

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You might have noticed that the courtroom is different from other European rulers we’ve shown previously; this is the Throne of Charlemagne, part of the Palatine Chapel in Aachen, used in the coronation of Holy Roman Emperors; thus, is the one used by these rulers. We’d like to eventually keep adding some more unique art, such as the Imperial Crown; but, as usual, please take the UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP.

Here you have the core lands of Bavaria, divided among Upper Bavaria, Lower Bavaria, and the Palatinate:
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Don't you love how Bavarians decided to split their lands into multiple polities?

The position of the Wittelsbach is quite strong, as Emperor Ludwig’s son, also named Ludwig, rules over the Electorate of Brandenburg, thus making the dynasty control 2 out of the 7 Imperial Electorates effectively:
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Here you can see the lands controlled by the Wittelsbach dynasty, and also their two main rivals for the Imperial Crown, the Luxembourg and Habsburg dynasties.

One of the main objectives for any of the branches of the Wittelsbach dynasty will be to unite these lands, and create/recreate the Kingdom of Bavaria, one of the formable countries that we presented in last week’s Tinto Talks:
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You might have noticed that we fixed the starting country of Bavaria, and now is Tier III, which is the Kingdom rank.

Let’s start today with the narrative content, namely events, linked to the aforementioned dynastic issues. Early in the game, if the Duke of Lower Bavaria dies of his leprosy, leaving an underage ruler, you might receive this event:
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The first option makes Lower Bavaria a vassal, the second directly annexes it, and the third leaves the Duchy on its own.

If you select either the first or the second option, a follow-up event about the revision of the Treaty of Pavia may trigger:
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I promise this treaty is historical, and it's not related to my vanity!

If we select the second option, this may happen:
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Wittelsbach lands are reunited! We need to do some fixes for the dynamic localization of the Palatinate of the Rhine to appear properly in all instances, by the way.

Leading to this outcome:
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The Kingdom of Bavaria is recreated!

And you will also get this another event, as you may decide to change your succession law at this moment:
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Cognatic Primogeniture sounds like a more stable law, indeed.

Besides the Wittelsbach dynastical troubles, other Bavarian dynamic historical events that may be of interest:
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Ockham’s Razor in action!

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What about a new Code of Laws?

This is an interesting set of events. If the player decides to build the Munich Residenz, a unique building will be constructed, also opening the option to get further expansions:
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Let’s now move towards the structural content of Bavaria. German countries start with this privilege for the nobility, coupled with their succession law:
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Bavaria also has a policy that portrays its itinerant court:
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As the Holy Roman Emperor, Ludwig starts in possession of some unique works of art, the Imperial Regalia:
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Bavaria also starts with this local work of art:
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Which may be expanded via an event:
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Finally, some Bavarian advances, covering from the Age of Traditions to the Age of Revolutions:
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However my favourite is this one:
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That unlocks this production method:
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Which you can compare with the other PMs for Breweries:
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And that’s all for today! I hope you enjoyed it! Next week we will be travelling back to the Mediterranean shores, to the land of Morocco. Cheers!
 
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The question is, does the Bavaria tag replace the Lower and Upper tags, or does it create a new tag. I wonder if we will be able to divide back in the war with Bavaria? As I understand it, the Palatinate tag always lags behind?
@Pavía
 
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Lord Almighty, please make this UI get into the release version and stay there forever!! This is the most comfortable interface of Paradoxes after the original 1.0 version UI Imperor: Rome! And maybe even better!
 
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I may be missing something or maybe the production method UI is still a WIP, but is there reason from a player perspective to have both the 1 + .25 + .1 = 1 Beer and the 1 + .25 + .1 = 1.25 beer production methods? It seems like the advance should just replace the original one?
Makes sense. It wouldn't be a problem if it is automatically chosen tho'
 
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Shouldn't his title be Count Palatine?

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And it falls into your hands. However, the capitalization reads like it refers the waterfall near Schaffhausen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine_Falls)

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While you triggered the event, the text is weird. It should be Rudolf who died, not Ludwig. Ludwig ruled the Bavarian line and is still alive in the picture..

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ERROR architect :D
 
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I am neither German nor coat of arms specialist or artist, but based on EUIV (not related at all to this project) and some Wiki searching I have some suggesitons for changes to Bavarian flags. Any natives or specialists please feel free to comment on this paint abomination :)
Relevant links below:
- Upper Bavaria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Bavaria ; https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Munich
- Lower Bavaria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Bavaria ; https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Europe_central_regions#Landshut ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passau
- Bavaria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Bavaria
 
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Once you change the inheritance law of Bavaria, does that mean your lands will no longer split upon your leader's death even if you aren't an elector? If I remember correctly all HRE tags that weren't electors (and I'd imagine republics and theocracies would be exempt as well) would see their lands split upon succession right? Is this an inherent part of playing in the HRE or is this linked to a succession law which you can change even if you aren't an elector or the emperor? (Probably at the cost of stability.) Losing sizeable chunks of my country every few decades and then having to reconquer them again doesn't exactly seem like it'd be fun to play with. Especially because I'd imagine it makes most HRE countries kinda unviable to play since it'd be almost impossible to build up enough power to face for example Austria or god forbid, France or Poland.
That is wrong. The succession was decided within the dynasty and the dynasty could chose to divide their land or leave it together. The Electors also divided their land for example the Palatinate. The only title the could not divide was the title of elector which was bound to a small area for example in the case of Saxony the city of Wittenberg.
 
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In English the saint's name is always spelled Stephen, not Stephan. I'm sure there are more important things to take into consideration, but the item name and flavor text for St. Stephen's Purse needs to be corrected.

Also the name 'Coronation Gospel' should be changed to 'Coronation Gospel Book', as it contained not just 'one Gospel' but all four canonical gospels so this should also be noted in the flavor text instead of "the entire gospel", cos that sounds a bit odd. Perhaps even a better term would be Coronation Evangeliar which is already pluralized.
 
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The little stained-glass window icon, is that the icon for glass as a resource? Or something more specific like stained glass? Cause I prefer the glass icon from EUIV as a glass cup, I feel that works much better for a multi-purpose use for glass as a resource, than just being used in stained-glass windows.
 
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Grammar thing in the intro text: it should be “while the Hanseatic League is/are enjoying its/their dominance,” not “while Hanseatic League are.”

While the choice of is/are and its/their depends on whether you’re viewing the League as a single entity or as a conglomeration of independent actors, you need “the” there either way. If you are going to treat them as multiple entities and use the plural version it might read more naturally to say "while the members of the Hanseatic League are enjoying their dominance."
 
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One of the main objectives for any of the branches of the Wittelsbach dynasty will be to unite these lands, and create/recreate the Kingdom of Bavaria, one of the formable countries that we presented in last week’s Tinto Talks:
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You might have noticed that we fixed the starting country of Bavaria, and now is Tier III, which is the Kingdom rank.
I have never seen this flag for Bavaria before. Shouldn't the united Bavaria have either just the Wittelsbach flag, or the flag of the Electorate?
 
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View attachment 1257195I am neither German nor coat of arms specialist or artist, but based on EUIV (not related at all to this project) and some Wiki searching I have some suggesitons for changes to Bavarian flags. Any natives or specialists please feel free to comment on this paint abomination :)
Relevant links below:
- Upper Bavaria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Bavaria ; https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Munich
- Lower Bavaria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Bavaria ; https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Europe_central_regions#Landshut ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passau
- Bavaria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Bavaria
The flags for Upper and Lower Bavaria were created in the 19th/20th century. That's also the Wolf of Passau which wasn't really united with Lower Bavaria until the Napoleonic era.

The following CoAs existed at that time:
Landshut (13th century but supposedly updated during Louis the Bavarian's reign)
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Ingolstadt (also from Louis's reign)
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Munich (early 14th century)
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Bavaria and Wittelsbach (13th/14th century)
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Bavaria and Wittelsbach (late 14th century)
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Do you mean the Reinheitsgebot? Wasnt this adopted in 1516, not in the "Age of Revolutions", or am I mistaken here?
You linked the Ewiger Landfriede, but yes the law was passed in 1516. I guess they mean it more as a legacy (that's why it gives cultural influence and not a bonus to productivity).
 
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Yes, but we're incorporating this type of language flavour in a bunch of instances, such as Parliament names, etc. I'm thinking that we will probably have a game rule to have everything in standard English, and then another for this type of flavour.
I'd argue there's a difference between using specific names (of institutions, people, buildings etc.) in other languages and adopting another language's rules of punctuation or orthography for a part of text.

You could just as well capitalize all nouns in texts about events in Germany because "it's the German standard".
 
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There's errors in the way you are using the word 'Palatine'. To be quite persnickety:

There were two types of palatine states that I can think of in history: the original County Palatine (ruled by a Count Palatine) and the more specific Electoral Palatinate (ruled by the Elector Palatine; so named following the Golden Bull in 1356). Calling someone 'Palatine Rudolf II' is wrong and doesn't make sense: he's 'Count Palatine Rudolf II'. It would be like calling 'Archduke Franz Ferdinand' as 'Arch Franz Ferdinand' or 'High King Niall' as 'High Niall'. Likewise following the Golden Bull would be 'Elector Palatine Rudolf III'. This is true for all the Palatinian states in Germany, Counties Palatine in Germany (such as those of Tübingen, Saxony, Thuringia, and Bavaria) and other Counts Palatine such as the County Palatine of Durham (title of the bishop of Durham in England).

More specific to the Palatinate in Germany, the adjective/demonym of the Palatinate is 'Palatinian' - 'Palatine' or 'Palatinate' would be wrong.
 
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