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Tinto Flavour #7 - 21st of February 2025 - Bavaria

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Fridays in which we take a look at the flavourish content of the new, super-secret Project Caesar.

Today we will be taking a look at Bavaria. Or, to be more precise, at the Duchies of Upper Bavaria and Lower Bavaria, as the Wittelsbach divided their lands among different branches; in addition to these two, the Treaty of Pavia (1329) also established the lands of the Electorate of the Palatinate of the Rhine (best known as The Palatinate) to be ruled by a third Wittelsbach branch.

"The Heartland of the Holy Roman Empire endured the long period of the Great Interregnum and looks to the next decades with worry. In the face of the advancing age of Holy Roman Emperor Ludwig IV. von Wittelsbach, the families of von Wittelsbach, Luxembourg, and von Habsburg once more prepare for a competition for the imperial crown. While imperial authority south of the Alps is deteriorating, German merchants scramble to secure their trade routes into Italy while Hanseatic League are enjoying their dominance over the region of North Germany.

Under the leadership of Holy Roman Emperor Ludwig IV. von Wittelsbach, the Duchy of Upper Bavaria is at the height of its power, as he commands respect and authority among the imperial princes. While the Duchy of Lower Bavaria is ruled by Duke Heinrich XIV. von Wittelsbach, his health is steadily declining due to his leprosy, and his expected early death could lead to a reunification of Bavaria.

With strong relations among the von Wittelsbach rulers of Europe, Bavaria is ready to claim its right to the imperial crown and dominance over central Europe against their rivals in Bohemia and Austria."

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You might have noticed that the courtroom is different from other European rulers we’ve shown previously; this is the Throne of Charlemagne, part of the Palatine Chapel in Aachen, used in the coronation of Holy Roman Emperors; thus, is the one used by these rulers. We’d like to eventually keep adding some more unique art, such as the Imperial Crown; but, as usual, please take the UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP.

Here you have the core lands of Bavaria, divided among Upper Bavaria, Lower Bavaria, and the Palatinate:
Bavaria.png

Don't you love how Bavarians decided to split their lands into multiple polities?

The position of the Wittelsbach is quite strong, as Emperor Ludwig’s son, also named Ludwig, rules over the Electorate of Brandenburg, thus making the dynasty control 2 out of the 7 Imperial Electorates effectively:
von Wittelsbach.png

Here you can see the lands controlled by the Wittelsbach dynasty, and also their two main rivals for the Imperial Crown, the Luxembourg and Habsburg dynasties.

One of the main objectives for any of the branches of the Wittelsbach dynasty will be to unite these lands, and create/recreate the Kingdom of Bavaria, one of the formable countries that we presented in last week’s Tinto Talks:
Form Bavaria.png

You might have noticed that we fixed the starting country of Bavaria, and now is Tier III, which is the Kingdom rank.

Let’s start today with the narrative content, namely events, linked to the aforementioned dynastic issues. Early in the game, if the Duke of Lower Bavaria dies of his leprosy, leaving an underage ruler, you might receive this event:
Duchy Lower Bavaria.png

The first option makes Lower Bavaria a vassal, the second directly annexes it, and the third leaves the Duchy on its own.

If you select either the first or the second option, a follow-up event about the revision of the Treaty of Pavia may trigger:
Treaty of Pavia.png

I promise this treaty is historical, and it's not related to my vanity!

If we select the second option, this may happen:
Palatinate falls in our hands.png

Wittelsbach lands are reunited! We need to do some fixes for the dynamic localization of the Palatinate of the Rhine to appear properly in all instances, by the way.

Leading to this outcome:
Bavaria reunited.png

The Kingdom of Bavaria is recreated!

And you will also get this another event, as you may decide to change your succession law at this moment:
A New Law.png

Cognatic Primogeniture sounds like a more stable law, indeed.

Besides the Wittelsbach dynastical troubles, other Bavarian dynamic historical events that may be of interest:
Ockham.png

Ockham’s Razor in action!

Codex Bavarica1.png

Codex Bavarica2.png

What about a new Code of Laws?

This is an interesting set of events. If the player decides to build the Munich Residenz, a unique building will be constructed, also opening the option to get further expansions:
Munich Residenz1.png

Munich Residenz2.png

Munich Residenz3.png

Munich Residenz4.png

Let’s now move towards the structural content of Bavaria. German countries start with this privilege for the nobility, coupled with their succession law:
Right to Inherit.png

Bavaria also has a policy that portrays its itinerant court:
Itinerant Court.png

As the Holy Roman Emperor, Ludwig starts in possession of some unique works of art, the Imperial Regalia:
Coronation Gospel.png

Saint Stephans Purse.png

Imperial Crown.png

Imperial Orb.png

Bavaria also starts with this local work of art:
Marienkapelle.png

Which may be expanded via an event:
Old Marienkapelle.png

Finally, some Bavarian advances, covering from the Age of Traditions to the Age of Revolutions:
Bavarian Dukedom.png

Dreams of Unification.png

One Faith for Bavaria.png

Bavarian Purity Law.png

However my favourite is this one:
Skilled Brewers.png

That unlocks this production method:
Bavarian Breweries.png

Which you can compare with the other PMs for Breweries:
Brewery Production Methods.png

And that’s all for today! I hope you enjoyed it! Next week we will be travelling back to the Mediterranean shores, to the land of Morocco. Cheers!
 
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Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Fridays in which we take a look at the flavourish content of the new, super-secret Project Caesar.

Today we will be taking a look at Bavaria. Or, to be more precise, at the Duchies of Upper Bavaria and Lower Bavaria, as the Wittelsbach divided their lands among different branches; in addition to these two, the Treaty of Pavia (1329) also established the lands of the Electorate of the Palatinate of the Rhine (best known as The Palatinate) to be ruled by a third Wittelsbach branch.



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You might have noticed that the courtroom is different from other European rulers we’ve shown previously; this is the Throne of Charlemagne, part of the Palatine Chapel in Aachen, used in the coronation of Holy Roman Emperors; thus, is the one used by these rulers. We’d like to eventually keep adding some more unique art, such as the Imperial Crown; but, as usual, please take the UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP.

Here you have the core lands of Bavaria, divided among Upper Bavaria, Lower Bavaria, and the Palatinate:
View attachment 1257021
Don't you love how Bavarians decided to split their lands into multiple polities?

The position of the Wittelsbach is quite strong, as Emperor Ludwig’s son, also named Ludwig, rules over the Electorate of Brandenburg, thus making the dynasty control 2 out of the 7 Imperial Electorates effectively:
View attachment 1257022
Here you can see the lands controlled by the Wittelsbach dynasty, and also their two main rivals for the Imperial Crown, the Luxembourg and Habsburg dynasties.

One of the main objectives for any of the branches of the Wittelsbach dynasty will be to unite these lands, and create/recreate the Kingdom of Bavaria, one of the formable countries that we presented in last week’s Tinto Talks:
View attachment 1257023
You might have noticed that we fixed the starting country of Bavaria, and now is Tier III, which is the Kingdom rank.

Let’s start today with the narrative content, namely events, linked to the aforementioned dynastic issues. Early in the game, if the Duke of Lower Bavaria dies of his leprosy, leaving an underage ruler, you might receive this event:
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The first option makes Lower Bavaria a vassal, the second directly annexes it, and the third leaves the Duchy on its own.

If you select either the first or the second option, a follow-up event about the revision of the Treaty of Pavia may trigger:
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I promise this treaty is historical, and it's not related to my vanity!

If we select the second option, this may happen:
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Wittelsbach lands are reunited! We need to do some fixes for the dynamic localization of the Palatinate of the Rhine to appear properly in all instances, by the way.

Leading to this outcome:
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The Kingdom of Bavaria is recreated!

And you will also get this another event, as you may decide to change your succession law at this moment:
View attachment 1257029
Cognatic Primogeniture sounds like a more stable law, indeed.

Besides the Wittelsbach dynastical troubles, other Bavarian dynamic historical events that may be of interest:
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Ockham’s Razor in action!

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What about a new Code of Laws?

This is an interesting set of events. If the player decides to build the Munich Residenz, a unique building will be constructed, also opening the option to get further expansions:

Let’s now move towards the structural content of Bavaria. German countries start with this privilege for the nobility, coupled with their succession law:

Bavaria also has a policy that portrays its itinerant court:

As the Holy Roman Emperor, Ludwig starts in possession of some unique works of art, the Imperial Regalia:

Bavaria also starts with this local work of art:

Which may be expanded via an event:

Finally, some Bavarian advances, covering from the Age of Traditions to the Age of Revolutions:

However my favourite is this one:

That unlocks this production method:

Which you can compare with the other PMs for Breweries:

And that’s all for today! I hope you enjoyed it! Next week we will be travelling back to the Mediterranean shores, to the land of Morocco. Cheers!

"While imperial authority south of the Alps is deteriorating"

I would rephrase this to say: "While Imperial authority is still limited south of the Alps" or "With imperial authority still recovering south of the Alps" as compared to the period of the Lombard Leagues, Imperial Power actually had increased again due to the Signoria taking hold of the Italian city states who were often somehow connected to the Emperor. Imperial authority was definately still limited, but was on a path to slow recovery, which increased again during Maximilian's rule and especially rapid during Charles V's rule.

Also what does it exactly mean that Bavaria is a Kingdom tier? It should not have the kingdom title as long as its part of the HRE unless some special occasion similar to how Hohenzollerns became King in Prussia. Title elavations could only be done by the Emperor. So at most the title of Bavaria should still be Duchy.

And what is this talk of recreating the Kingdom of Bavaria, or the advance which says it once was a Kingdom? This is simply not true, Bavaria was never a Kingdom within the Holy Roman Empire, the only kingdoms were Germany, Italy, Burgundy and later Bohemia (but did not enjoy the same status as the other three).

Furthermore I think its way too easy to reunite the Wittelsbach possessions. At the bare minimum it should be a succesion war/crisis for the Palatinate throne. Most of Wittelsbach rivals would never allow them to suddenly gain a electorate like that when there might be other claimants.
 
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Thanks for your work, Bavaria looks really cool to play.
But I was wondering, is the Landshut succession war gonna be an event that's planned? Or could similar breaches of succession law maybe even be something that occasionally happens organically (maybe even outside of Bavaria).
 
i feel like these formation requirements set a not very good precedent on the formation of new tags. Rather than owning locations, formables should require a percentage of pops of specific cultures in incorporated states, or alternativelly a percentage of all pops of X cultures relative to all pops of those same cultures in the world. I'd like to think kingdoms and states were based rather on the culture of it's population than in the geographical area where these nations historically existed.
 
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Two things I want to point out:

1. Is it just me, or would it make more sense to switch the icons for Centralization and Decentralization?

2. I know that people from Bavaria try really hard to pretend that beer was invented by them or something. This just isn’t the case. Beer was far more popular in the northern and eastern parts of the HRE. If anyone deserves a buff for brewing beer, it should be the cities of the Hanseatic League, Einbeck, and places in Bohemia, in my opinion.
 
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The little stained-glass window icon, is that the icon for glass as a resource? Or something more specific like stained glass? Cause I prefer the glass icon from EUIV as a glass cup, I feel that works much better for a multi-purpose use for glass as a resource, than just being used in stained-glass windows.
It is the icon for Glass.
I made Lists for reference
 
It looks like there is no obvious reason why an itinerant court would actually move - especially when there are buildings that only give a benefit when your capital is there.
 
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There is just one wish I have for Bavaria which has to do with my home region: the brine pipeline from Bad Reichenhall (473m above sea level) to Traunstein (591m above sea level) built/planned by Hanns and Simon Reiffenstuel

It was an engineering marvel for its for its time for multiple reasons:
- the first pipeline longer than a kilometer (31km in this case)
- the first pipeline where the destination was of higher elevation than the start (there were even spots in between which were even higher, well, it's in Alps)
- the pipeline was active from 1619 to 1912, yes, nearly 300 years, there was only one modernization break from 1808 to 1810

And not including it would also be kinda weird since the pipeline was crucial for the salt production of Bavaria and because of that also salt trade which was a very important income for the Bavarian state(s)/the Wittelsbacher, there were even literal wars between Bavaria and Salzburg about it (which was won by Bavaria practically ensuring a near monopoly in many areas in Germany).
 
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Wait, do countries granting the Right To Inherit privilege automatically split into multiple tags each time the ruler dies (with multiple heirs) ??? Or is that just flavour text?
 
The flags for Upper and Lower Bavaria were created in the 19th/20th century. That's also the Wolf of Passau which wasn't really united with Lower Bavaria until the Napoleonic era.

The following CoAs existed at that time:
Landshut (13th century but supposedly updated during Louis the Bavarian's reign)
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Ingolstadt (also from Louis's reign)
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Munich (early 14th century)
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Bavaria and Wittelsbach (13th/14th century)
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Bavaria and Wittelsbach (late 14th century)
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Here are my new suggestions for Upper and Lower Bavaria flags based on some feedback from Palando. They are more representative of separate tags based on genuine coat of arms rather than 100% historically correct. Part of game's nature too I guess. Upper Bavaria is based on Munichs's coat of arms while Lower Bavaria is based on coat of arms of Landshut (1) and Passau (2). In case of Lower Bavaria both might work as capital of Lower Bavaria was moved from Passau to Landshut only in XIX century All designs seem to date back to either period between XII and XV centuries.
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All three are quartered which nicely fits with already existing flag of Wittelsbach held County Palatinate of the Rhine. That said you should switch the positions of quartering to this:
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Then all three major Wittelsbach Bavarian lands share flag design which can be later repurposed for following partitions of Bavaria (dynamic or event-based with just changes to the two non-Bavarian flag quarters, probably based on capital of new state e.g. Ingolstad or Straubing.

Once again, all feedback from more knowledgeable people is welcome!
 
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