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Tinto Flavour #8 - 28th of February 2025 - Morocco

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Fridays where we take a look at the flavourish content of the super-secret Project Caesar!

Today we will take a look at the Sultanate of Morocco! So let’s start without further ado:

"The Maghreb has seen many dynasties pass by and one powerful Sultanate after another, such as those of the Idrisids, the Almoravids, or the Almohads. The years of instability and uncertainty are a thing of the past under the Marinid dynasty and Sultan Abu Al-Hasan 'Ali ibn 'Othman Marinid. With a delicate balance between brute force and diplomacy, we have managed to establish firm control within our borders. Now, we look to the east to challenge the power of the Zayyanid of Tlemcen. And, to the north, we have a foothold over the Strait of Gibraltar, in the lands from Algeciras to Ronda, from where we may support our brothers of faith in Granada, in a common effort against the Christian rulers of Iberia."
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Please take the UI, 2D and 3D art as WIP, as usual.​

Here are the lands of Morocco:
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You may notice some arrows in a sea zone, that indicates the oceanic currents and wind directions. These visuals were recently implemented, so take them as WIP.​

Morocco starts with a fairly interesting diplomatic situation:
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Tafilalt is a vassal subject, ruled by Omar Abu ‘Ali, brother of the Sultan. Castile and Tlemcen and enemies and rivals, Tunis is an ally, and Morocco starts at war with Tlemcen.​

Morocco has a few starting estate privileges, including these:
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Waqf Payments is a privilege granted to the clergy, available to all Muslim countries.

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This privilege will be granted to the Tribes if your country has its capital in the Maghreb region, making it much more powerful (which has its uses), but reducing your control.​

The Parliament has a flavour name, as usual:
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Morocco also has some starting works of art:
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Unique advances in all the different ages:
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This is an advance for Maghrebi countries.

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And something a bit different compared to previous Tinto Flavour, unique buildings that are already unlocked at the start of the game:
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Let’s move now to the narrative content. This event will trigger early on in the game:
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And also:
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Another early game event is:
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And a bit later, after 1350:
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Although there might also be some troubles:
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… And much more content, including mid-game one regarding the golden age of the Saadi dynasty… But that’s all for today! Next week we will be taking a look at the content for one my favourite countries to playtest, Hungary! Cheers!
 
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nyetflix2 said:
eh the Arab migrations were mostly completed by this point. Instead of more migrations, I think we should see population growth of Arab tribes and assimilation of some Amazigh into Arab cultures - mainly in urban areas and more fertile and flat lands
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What they should is separate between prehilalian and hilalian arab cultures in the maghreb. In the current set up I have no idea what 'algerian' culture is supposed to represent.
 
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Atromb said:
What they should is separate between prehilalian and hilalian arab cultures in the maghreb. In the current set up I have no idea what 'algerian' culture is supposed to represent.
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true, I also think at the very least your split between Ifriqiyan and Maghrebi culture is more organic for the time period. In the current setup Algerian culture stops very abruptly at modern national borders, and that feels very artificial, especially now that we have minorities.
 
I hope that the majority culture of Morocco is Amazigh. I'd say that during the 14th century, only Fez, Tangier, and some areas around Marrakech (though not Marrakech itself. due to the recent movement of the bedouin tribes from tunis to those regions) were Arabized. Will there be a mechanic to switch the country's primary culture to the dominant one, for example?
 
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Atromb said:
What they should is separate between prehilalian and hilalian arab cultures in the maghreb. In the current set up I have no idea what 'algerian' culture is supposed to represent.
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I agree that Moroccan, Algerian and Tunisian cultures shouldn't appear at the start
 
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If there are many production methods that have mostly the same required goods, what about just having the same goods in a “fixed goods” box and then the changeable goods in a “variable goods” box to reduce clutter size?
 
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Speaking of coastal raiding, in EU4 there was a limit of 3 tiles from your closest port. Given the increased location density of PC, is there such a limit instituted at all, and if there is, what is it?
 
wonderful work, was hoping to see Ibn Battuta mentioned this early but I guess I'll find out later, there is no way he won't exist as a character right? really curious about possible event chains and advantages he might provide to Morocco, there are other characters worth mentioning as well. Ramadan kareem <3
 
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I'd like to say something that's been bothering me for a while:

Zeeuws-Vlaanderen is not really an area, and should be drawn more like this:
This is because Zeeuws-Vlaanderen has been a part of the county of Zeeland for quite a long time, and Sluis was in the 15th century, one of the largest cities in the low countries, with about 10000 inhabitants. It was part of the duchy of Flanders until about 1600, when it transferred to Holland/Zeeland.
Sluis was also the most important Burgundian fleet harbor, so not including it wouldn't do it justice
I know it's not really relevant because this is about Morocco but it's been sitting wrong with me for quite some time
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D. B. N. Bass said:
I'd like to say something that's been bothering me for a while:

Zeeuws-Vlaanderen is not really an area, and should be drawn more like this:
This is because Zeeuws-Vlaanderen has been a part of the county of Zeeland for quite a long time, and Sluis was in the 15th century, one of the largest cities in the low countries, with about 10000 inhabitants. It was part of the duchy of Flanders until about 1600, when it transferred to Holland/Zeeland.
Sluis was also the most important Burgundian fleet harbor, so not including it wouldn't do it justice
I know it's not really relevant because this is about Morocco but it's been sitting wrong with me for quite some time
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Please share this in the Low Countries feedback post.

Tinto Maps #1 Feedback

After discussing it with @Johan , we thought it would be a good idea to show you some of the relevant changes we applied to the game after your feedback in Tinto Maps #1. In the form of more maps, of course. We standardized the Province names...
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Hello,
It's would be funny to add some events about the Arab tribes in Morocco such as ( Banu Hilal , Banu Maaqil and also the Idrissids ..) , this will be more accurate and more interessting to play with and do not forget to create this events based on real events like Charbouba , the Arab fanatsia , the tribal wars ...

Regards
 
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Pavía said:
That's something that is a problem, now that you mention it, because the Ottoman Empire is a modern historiographical standardization, as its official name was Devlet-i ʿAlīye-yi ʿOsmānīye, 'Sublime Ottoman State'; you might notice that the ʿOsmānīye particle relates to the House of Osman, which was in power during its entirety. But, what would happen if the dynasty becomes extinct? Should it still be called the same way? Or should it be called Devlet-i ʿAlīye-yi [New Dynasty Name here]?
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Just make it feel "impossible" for them to go extinct, like if all the members of the family die then a new family gets generated and put in charge but with the same name(and Coa) of the previous one and therefore the country, so that the Ottomans are always going to be ruled by the Ottomans, the Jalayirids by the Jalayirids and so on, for specific countries like Morocco that's not an issue and can have different dinasties taking over, also i really like the name "Sublime *dinasty name* State/Empire" maybe it should be an alternative name for tier 3 or 4 turkish beyliks countris or a turkish anatolian formable alternative to Rum?
That said this doesn't solve the issue if the country becomes a republic
 
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Great work you’re doing, guys! As a Moroccan, I am excited about this one.

A few remarks that you have probably considered or stumbled upon before, but I’m including them just in case:

  1. It’s great to see Ibn Khaldun featured here as one of the great Maghreb sociologists. Another important Moroccan figure from this time is Ibn Battuta—a traveler, explorer, and scholar. Spanning from Iberia to China over a period of thirty years (1325–1354) and originally from Tangier, he is still well remembered and respected in Morocco. You might even consider sponsoring his journey—or the journeys of others—as a tradition. I believe his travels were divided into two or three separate trips (for example, he might embark on a ten-year journey before returning). I would love to see a chain of events or an itinerary if you decide to sponsor his trip.
  2. Regarding the “Black Guards”: I think they were inspired by the Al-Bukhari army (i.e. the Al-Bukhari slave army). It was a major decision, as you can imagine, for the king at the time to confiscate ownership of the slaves from the people and create a loyal army for himself, as that elianted both the slave owners and the other tribes which used to contribute heavily to the sultan army (which was probably their main source of influence on him), these men were traditionally more loyal to their tribes than to the sultan and thats why the al-bukhari army was needed. The establishment of the "Black Guards" not only provided the sultan with a devoted, loyal force, but also diminished the influence of several tribes and surelly effected the section of the economy based on slaves. In this section, I hope you provide more depth and I would also love to see the use of the historically accurate name—“Al-Bukhari Army” (or more precisely “Al-Bukhari Slave Army”)—instead of “Black Guards.” Incidentally, there is still a small division in the Moroccan royal guard today that traces its history back to that original force.
  3. Morocco’s “Foreign Policy” in your presentation appears to be centered on Africa. However, from what I know, Al-Andalus (or Iberia) was seen from the time of Almoravid dynasty (then the almohand) as the responsibility of the Moroccan king to defend, given the accepted reality of its vulnerability against other Iberian kingdoms. I’m not certain about all the historical details, but the behavior of successive Moroccan kingdoms seems to support this view. What I suggest is that an active Moroccan role in Iberia has a solid historical grounding, and I would like to see that.
 
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AYOUB HADI said:
It’s great to see Ibn Khaldun featured here as one of the great Maghreb sociologists. Another important Moroccan figure from this time is Ibn Battuta—a traveler, explorer, and scholar. Spanning from Iberia to China over a period of thirty years (1325–1354) and originally from Tangier, he is still well remembered and respected in Morocco. You might even consider sponsoring his journey—or the journeys of others—as a tradition. I believe his travels were divided into two or three separate trips (for example, he might embark on a ten-year journey before returning). I would love to see a chain of events or an itinerary if you decide to sponsor his trip.
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It's unfortunate that at the startdate of the game, Ibn Battua had already left Morocco a decade ago on the hajj, had finished his travels through East Africa, much of the Middle East, and Central Asia and is working as a qadi for the Sultan in Delhi, if I'm getting my timeline correct, here, so we'd not get to see the entire journey. I don't imagine you'd get much interaction from him as Morocco, until he arrives back a decade or so after the game's start and goes on his final journey to Grenada, Mali and back. Plenty of tags across India, SE Asia, China, and then across his return trip should get events about his visit before that, though.
 
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