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Tinto Maps #24 - 25th of October - Japan and Korea

Hello and welcome once more to another week of Tinto Maps. This week we are going to the lands even further to the East and taking a look at Korea and Japan. So, without further ado, let’s get started.

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Korea during the Goryeo dynasty was under the orbit of Yuán, and had very close ties with it, with the Yuán emperors taking Korean wives. The north, though, and also Tamna in the Jeju island wouldn’t be unified under Korea until the following Joseon dynasty, so they are still separated although all of them also under Yuán. On the other side, Japan starts in a very interesting situation. After a failed attempt to overthrow the shogunate and restore imperial power during the Kenmu restoration, one of the generals that contributed to such restoration, Ashikaga Takauji, in the end established his own shogunate in 1336 (just before the start of the game). The emperor had then to flee the capital and thus we start with the period of the Northern and Southern Courts, with two opposing Emperors and the shogun fighting for legitimacy. So, although it appears unified at first glance, Japan hides many internal divisions within (more on that later). Further South, the kingdom of Ryūkyū is not yet unified, so the three mountain kingdoms of Hokuzan, Chūzan and Nanzan vie for supremacy over the island.

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Basically already shown in the Manchuria Tinto Maps, but they need to be shown here too, especially the Ainu.

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As it happens in China, the “Goryeo dynasty” name is actually not the name of the dynasty itself, which is actually the house of Wang.

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Here (as well as with the areas next) we have tried to follow the administrative division of both countries in period, but we’ve had to make some adjustments. In Korea, we had to account for the fact that historically, almost immediately after the start of the game the Josen dynasty took over and the administrative divisions are somewhat different, so we’ve adjusted them together (and had to divide some of the bigger provinces for gameplay reasons). In Japan, the administrative divisions remained virtually unchanged since the establishment of the Ritsuryō system in the 7-8th century until after the Meiji restoration in 1868. However, we still had to make some adjustments, and the smaller ones had to unfortunately disappear.

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Terrain
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Very mountainous and forested areas both, so the few plains have to be taken the most advantage of.

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Not bad developed areas, but obviously development decreases the further north it goes.

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Korea is mainly Korean, and Japan has been divided into four main groups. Besides this, we also have Ainu in the north, Jeju in Jeju island and Ryūkyū in the Ryūkyū islands.

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Korea has the same (name pending) religion as China while Japan is Shintō. I must say that this Shintō is not at all considered to be a Kami-exclusively-oriented Shintō nor the post-Meiji State Shintō in any shape or form. In all effects, it is considered under the Buddhism umbrella and it is treated as Buddhist Shintō, while of course including some different mechanics and references to the Kami too. The name Shintō was chosen basically because it’s more recognizable and identifiable with Japan. Besides this, there’s also the Ainu religion for the Ainu, and the Utaki religion for the Ryūkyū.

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Not bad areas for resources, and plenty of rice and fish in Japan to get good sushi. The more observant of you will see that the resources of Hokkaido have already been adjusted thanks to feedback from the previous Manchuria Tinto Maps.

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Some may find surprising the presence of Izumi as a Market in Japan, but it is the area that served as the main point of entrance for commerce into central Japan, where the merchant town of Sakai developed, until later Osaka developed under Toyotomi and basically took over that function.

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Not much to say here, except that quite a bit of population waiting for some action.

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I’m sure many of you were waiting for this. The samurai clans in Japan are represented as Extraterritorial Countries, and we have tried to be as close as possible to their distribution of territory in 1337. As you can imagine, that is not an easy task, and some more tweaking is needed, so if you have any feedback or extra info on that regard it would be much appreciated. Unfortunately, there’s some overlapping of some clans on the same territory and only one name can be shown at a time, so not all names are visible (the Oda clan is still there, I promise), but there are a total of 143 clans (not counting Ashikaga), plus two extra for each of the imperial courts that are present at start. Related to this, each clan will pledge its allegiance to either the northern or the southern court, mainly based on their historical allegiances but allowing a bit of leeway (and those allegiances don’t necessarily have to be permanent). So, as a bit of an extra tease, these are the allegiances of the clans at start (yellow are the north court supporters, blue are the southern court ones, and again keep in mind that only one color can be present even if there’s more than one clan with different allegiances in the same location)
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And that is all for today. Next week there will not be any Tinto Maps due to being a bank holiday, so next one will be in two weeks for a look further south into South East Asia. See you there.
 
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Great job and thanks for the work you have done so far with the Tinto maps @Roger Corominas ! Here's my questions:

-We know that the other islands of the Ryukyu archipelago had other similarly developed kingdoms even though we know nothing about them I think It'd be fair to represent them with Sops.
-Are there any event for the "enstablishment" of Joseon? If yes is it considered a different tag from Goryeo or is it just the same tag with a different flavour name?
- Can you make the name of Japan more dynamic? For example can you make it like some muslim countries and add the name of the Shogun's dynasty at the front and have it change every time the ruling clan changes(Ashikaga/Tokugawa shogunate of Japan) and if the Emperor gets restored then it changes to the Japanese Empire
-Do Japan and Korea have slaves at the game start?
-Why are the Izu islands not considered locations in the game?
 
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On the name of the Shinto religion, why not call it "Shinto-Buddhism", or "Shinbutsu-shūgō" if you want to go for a native language name, since that wouldn't make the name exceedingly long while also clarifying that it's supposed to represent a heavily syncretized form of Buddhism mixed with Shinto beliefs?
 
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1. Will it possible to have the Tokugawas spawn and play as them?
2. Will there be an option to display the overlord's name OVER the subject (like in CK)?
Tokugawa clan basically came into existence with Tokugawa Ieyasu (it was the Matsudaira clan before that), and it is way into the future from the game's perspective. Maybe there will be an event to create him eventually, but for the moment there's none.
 
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The term "Jeju" is used from the mainland (the Korean Peninsula) perspective, so I believe that "Jeju" culture should instead be referred to as "Tamna" culture. "Tamna" is a name that historically and culturally represents the island's unique identity and traditions prior to its incorporation into the mainland’s jurisdiction.
 
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Seems like there should be more Iron in Chugoku, it was by far Japan’s premier Iron producing region, with the ore mines in the north being significantly behind the iron sands of the peninsula. Ironworking was a major part of the region’s culture as well, with the cult of the Iron goddess Kanayago being extremely popular. Gunsen/Gunbai history has an excellent article on Japanese iron in general that I heavily recommended, all of the sources on his website.




“Legend has it that the deity Kanayago bestowed the knowledge of tatara to the people of this region. To this day, those who work in the iron industry worship Kanayago at more than a thousand dedicated shrines around the country. At their peak during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, the ironworks of the Chugoku Mountains area of western Japan collectively produced 80 percent of the country’s iron. The town of Yasugi served as a port of call for the trading ships known as kitamaebune which played a pivotal role in transporting tatara iron to other parts of Japan.
The heritage of tatara ironmaking is preserved and passed on by the Itohara Memorial Museum in Okuizumo, Sugaya Tatara Sannai in Unnan, and the Wakou Museum in Yasugi.”

While inside the "Recollections of Japan: with Observations on the Geography, Climate, Population, and Productions of the Country" by "Vasiliĭ Mikhaĭlovich Golovnin" who stayed in Japan from the 1811 to the 1813, there is written:


"With respect to iron, the Japanese do not posses that metal in such abundance as copper, but they have sufficient to supply their absolute wants; and if the government exchanged with the Dutch, copper for iron, this was not out of necessity, [...] If the Japanese had not iron sufficient for their absolute wants, they would certainly set more value on the trade with the Dutch"

In the "History of Japan - together with a description of the kingdom of Siam" by Engelbert Kaempfer,written in the late 1600s, he wrote that:


"Iron is dug up only upon the confines of the three provinces Mimasaka, Bitsju and Bisen. But is found there in large quantities. It is refin'd upon the spot, and cast into Staffs or Cylinders, two spans long. Japanese Merchants buy it at the place, and export it all over the Empire."
 
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I can't tell, are the small islands in the south of Ryukyu (Yaeyama Islands, Miyako Islands) represented as a location? If so, their climate should certainly be Tropical Forest. They should be uncolonised terrain, but I think they should exist if they don't.
 
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Great job and thanks for the work you have done so far with the Tinto maps @Roger Corominas ! Here's my questions:

-We know that the other islands of the Ryukyu archipelago had other similarly developed kingdoms even though we know nothing about them I think It'd be fair to represent them with Sops.
-Are there any event for the "enstablishment" of Joseon? If yes is it considered a different tag from Goryeo or is it just the same tag with a different flavour name?
- Can you make the name of Japan more dynamic? For example can you make it like some muslim countries and add the name of the Shogun's dynasty at the front and have it change every time the ruling clan changes(Ashikaga/Tokugawa shogunate of Japan) and if the Emperor gets restored then it changes to the Japanese Empire
-Do Japan and Korea have slaves at the game start?
-Why are the Izu islands not considered locations in the game?
1. Could be an option
2. There is, and it will be the same tag with a different name
3. The name is fully dynamic (it will already change to "Ashikaga Shogunate" once it starts breaking apart)
4. No, but the minorities in Japan haven't been done yet
5. They were unfortunately too small to be able to be represented as locations.
 
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