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Tinto Maps #25 - 8th of November 2024 - South East Asia

Hello, and welcome to another week of fun unveiling of the map of Project Casar. In this week’s Tinto Maps we will be taking a look at South East Asia, so without further ado let’s get started.

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Quite a variety of countries in the area. The regional power in the decades before 1337 was the Khmer Empire, although at this point they are already in decline and have lost much of their previous hegemony. On the west, the fall of the Burmese Pagan Kingdom and the following Mongol invasions gave rise to the disunited kingdoms of Pinya, Sagaing, Prome, and Toungoo, while in the south the Mon kingdom of Hanthawaddy (also known as Pegu) also split apart. On the center, the decline of the old Lavo Kingdom and its subjugation to the Khmer gave way to the emergence of the Kingdom of Sukhothai when Khmer started its decline too, and Sukhothai is emerging as the dominant Thai kingdom in the area. However, Ayodhya is already gestating the rise of another great kingdom, as King Ramathibodi, the founder of the Ayutthaya Kingdom is already poised to gain power in the region. On the east coast, the Kingdom of Đại Việt is under the orbit of the Yuán, with constant conflict with the southern Hindu kingdom of Champa.

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A region very rich in Societies of Pops, which will make it definitely an interesting area.

Dynasties
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The dynasty of the old Pagan Empire is still alive in Prome, with many other dynasties in the region having ties with it, while the different Thai dynasties also have ties among each other.

Locations
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Provinces
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Areas
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Unfortunately, currently the name of the sea area encroaches too much into the land (this will be fixed, don’t worry), but the blue area that gets underneath that name is Chao Phraya.

Terrain
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Tropical and jungle almost everywhere, with quite a bit of comparison between the southern flatlands and the northern mountainous areas.

Development
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Not as developed as the surrounding India or China, but the main centers of power (like Angkor, Pagan, and Sukhothai) are a bit more developed.

Natural Harbors
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Cultures
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A quite variety of cultures, although the southern areas haven’t had their minorities done yet so there will be even more variation there.

Languages
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As an addition from this week one, we have a new map to show with the languages. Keep in mind that this area hasn't had any language families or dialects done yet, so there is a bit of grouping.

Religions
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Again, keep in mind that minorities are not done, so there will be more variation added inside the Theravada block, as there has to be still quite a bit of Hinduism presence in Khmer (its conversion from Hinduism to Buddhism at that point was one of the causes of its decline), and quite a bit more of Satsana Phi among all the Tai peoples.

Raw Materials
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Quite a variation of resources, although dominated mainly by lumber and rice.

Markets
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The commerce is dominated by those countries benefiting from sea trade routes, but the emergence of a strong Ayutthaya Kingdom in the middle will for sure cause a change in the balance of powers.

Population
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Khmer is still the most populated, but other countries around don’t fall that far behind, especially when they manage to unify their areas a bit. There’s also a couple of locations appearing as 0 population that is definitely a bug that will have to be fixed.

That is all for this week. Join us next week when we set sail to take a look at the maritime part of South East Asia by taking a look at all the archipelago of Indonesia (including the Philippines). Hope to see you there.
 
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& can we also get a map of towns and cities in the region?
 
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The Thai kingdoms, up until the dangers of the west demanded change, were essentially set up as small city state like kingdoms paying varying amounts of tribute to the most powerful kingdoms. Only when western colonisation became a danger was there a rapid program of gaining more control. Is this semi independence simulated with any special mechanics, or just with the control percentage?
Mainly through control mechanic.
 
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I get what is being portrayed here, and I love it, but the old city of Ayodhya (with the sanskrit/indianised spelling) was long abandoned, around the early 1200s. The main city in the region under the Lopburi kings was Sena Ratchanakhon. Ayodhya as a city did not exist in 1337, except in ruins (and the other flourishing one in India) and was only formally (re-)founded in 1351.
I think the location should be named as Sena Ratchanakhon, and via event chain when Ayutthaya Kingdom forms, it gets renamed to Ayutthaya and becomes the new capital of the merger polity.

EDIT: Also is the location that long just to provide it sea access? Cause otherwise I'd have split it up for a coastal village location to eventually give birth to Bangkok which happens within the game's timeline.
We can probably use Sena Ratchanakhon as the name at start, we can take a look into that. There's also an event for the founding of Bangkok.
 
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Some more comments regarding raw materials:

What does the amber in Mae Hong Son represent?
I see only two dye locations in the entire region. Wasn't quite a bit of lac produced here? And indigo as well?
I counted 5 locations with medicaments in the region. Johan previously stated that opium is represented by medicaments, so shouldn't there be more here?
Wasn't camphor an important trade good, at least in Vietnam? That's a medicament too.
Why is there coal in Mahaxay? Shouldn't this be a late game spawn at best? Also as far as I can tell, Laos' coal reserves are in Sainyabuli province (e.g. Ban Khon location).
 
Should the Pa'O people be added as a culture in southern Shan State?

And should Karen and Karenni be split? Someone more knowledgeable than I might be able to answer!
 
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