Tinto Maps #26 - 15th of November 2024 - Indonesia

[Paulatim]

Splitting spices to differentiate the truly rare spices from more common spices would be great, but splitting spices geographically would be a terrible solution.

There are lots of spices from different continents which fill the same role as those from other continents - chili peppers, grains of paradise/malagueta peppers, and black peppercorns all add a spicy/piquant flavor and were all named pepper because of this despite coming from different regions. They should all provide the same raw good, because that's functionally how they worked in the spice trade.

I agree with the common spices/rare spices idea, but I think it should be history-based depending on the historical importance of individual spices: are there sources on cost per kg/tons traded in europe and possibly across many different countries from the late middle ages up to the early 19th century?

Besides, my post was hironic on those who are not devs, and yet propose weird spice grouping based on some 4d chess move about monopoly and market manipulation to get a pension out of SpiceCoin.

 

[Mef]

I agree with the common spices/rare spices idea, but I think it should be history-based depending on the historical importance of individual spices: are there sources on cost per kg/tons traded in europe and possibly across many different countries from the late middle ages up to the early 19th century?

Yes, some sources were posted in the latest thread about spices.

 

[Frigabus]

Volcanoes:
It doesn't just belong here, but it occurred to me: volcanoes will play a role in the game? More fertile soil, occasional eruptions, possibly world-historical, far-reaching climate effects?

 

[ArVass]

Volcanoes:
It doesn't just belong here, but it occurred to me: volcanoes will play a role in the game? More fertile soil, occasional eruptions, possibly world-historical, far-reaching climate effects?

We are definitely getting volcano-related disasters

 

[jinggachingu]

Also, I just noticed you include Tamiang there, we are famously not Acehnese. We are closer to Malay than we are to Aceh, like, A LOT. Acehnese are that linguistically different than us despite sharing borders. Also, I don't know why you listed Deli as Batak, as far as I know, they are also closer to Malay than Batak, I believe. so it should be Malay from Tamiang to Deli (actually Deli should be a mix between Batak and Malay because there is a Deli Malay tribe but i don't know when the Batak started dominating the region), but Karo, and Pakpak should remain Batak. I am not sure about Silou, but since Simalungun (the regency Silou is currently in) is presently Batak predominant, I think listing them as Batak should be fine.

EDIT: I also just noticed you make the resources in Tamiang Fish. It's not wrong in the sense that everyone in the coastal regions of Aceh probably produced a lot of fish if you don't know what they make, but Tamiang was a producer of clay (later, mainly for brick).

That being said, Gayo was/is known for its coffee so it should be Coffee instead of spice (i forgot coffee was brought by the Dutch, so spice/or any agricultural resources should be fine, and there could be an event, maybe as a Dutch or the presence of VOC in the region to change the resources to coffee), Linge should be something agricultural like Tea, Rice, or Livestock but they also produce spices, Meulaboh was known for its spices, Semerlangga (I suppose that's Modern Day Bireun) should be agricultural (I strongly suggest Rice). I don't know about other regions that much, but the highlands should be more agricultural rather than Lumber, I know Singkil is a producer of Lumber as well as fish.

Port: Sigli and Banda Aceh were major ports for trading between China and India (Including Arabia), so they should not be black.

 

[ZigTheNorweigan]

Sulawesi Island Review

Hello everyone! I wanted to come along and provide some of my own feedback on the island of Sulawesi, first order of being, the Area name should be SULAWESI, this name was used prior to Portugal naming it Celebes.

I personally, while the detail of Sulawesi is much greater than in EU4, still happen to find the region a bit lacking, in Cultural and language representation, locations and naming errors, and Kingdom accuracy, so without further ado, I would like to provide some suggestions!

Locations:
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This is perhaps the most dense Sulawesi could manage at the most when it comes to locations, as the number has nearly doubled to approximately 115 Locations for this island. I do know this is quite a lot. However, I felt inclined to increase the locations as much as I did because of the sheer diversity of settlements, Principalities, Kingdoms, and peoples of the island. I welcome suggestions on where locations can be REDUCED if necessary, or if better/more time period appropriate names can be used.

Spoiler: New Locations and Provinces

New Locations in Makassar:
From 2-8 - Binamu, Bangkala, Tolo, Biringbulu, Bantaeng, Sanrabone - Location Density is highest in the South of the island and this is where most societies developed in the time period. Several Polities existed in this area outside of the well known Gowa Kingdom, with 6 having existed in modern day Jeneponto Regency alone. I opted for the inclusion of Binamu and Bangkala, as they were a bit more influential, Tolo would be under the Tarowang Kingdom.

New Province - Tallo:
2 New Locations, 1 Renamed. Kingdom of Tallo formed around the end of the 1300s, its Capital centered around Talloq
Murusu (Marusu) - Namesake of the Kingdom in the area, Tinggimoncong

Bone:
2 New Locations, 2 Renamed
Sinjai and Tonra

New Province - Wajo:
2 New Locations
Peneki and Siwa

New Province - Ajattappareng:
"Lands West of the lakes" Also a Confederation that formed out of self-defense against Makassar and Bugis Kingdoms
4 new Locations - Bacukiki, Rappang, Suppa, Sawitto, all of which were polities, that along with Sidenrang, formed Ajattapareng.

New Province - Toraja:
3 New Locations
Enrekang, after the people, Makale, after a city, and Mamasa, after the People/Tribe

Renamed from Mamuju - Mandar:
5 new Locations - Another area known for many different small kingdoms that later united to avoid conflict and provide defenses
Bangai - Later known as Majene, Sendana - Kingdom, Matanga - Kingdom, Arale - Kingdom, Tabulahan - Kingdom.

Renamed from Palopo - Luwu:
3 New Locations
Ponrang, Sabbang, Masamba


New Province - Kalumpang:
2 New Locations, 2 Renamed
Karana - After a River, Budung - After a River, Sarudu - After the People, Bambaira - A District

Renamed from Donggala - Kaili:
2 New Locations
Pakawa - Pakawa Kingdom and Capital, Tawaeli - A District

New Province - Poso:
3 New Locations
Bada - for Bada Valley, Pamona, Sausu - Western extent of Tojo Kingdom

New Province - Tojo:
2 New Locations, 3 Renamed
Tau Taa - After the people, Ampana - District, City, People

Banggai:
3 New Locations, 2 Renamed
Pelang - Island, Mendono - Region under the Banggai Kingdom, Pati-Pati, Known Eastern extent of Tojo Kingdom

Bungku:
1 New Location, 2 Renamed
Wotu - After the people

New Province - Konawe:
4 New Locations, 3 Renamed
To Laiwo - After the People, Mekongga - A Kingdom, Ladongi - City and District, Kalono - City and District

Butung:
3 New Locations, 1 Renamed
Pancana - After the People/Language, Kioko - After the People/Language, Kabaena - Island

New Province - Tolitoli:
3 New Locations, 1 Renamed
Tajio - After the People/Language, Lauje, - After the People/Language, Damsol - A District

Gorontalo:
3 New Locations, 4 Renamed
Paleleh - River, Limboto, Pinogu - Capital of Suwawa/Tuwawa

New Province - Mongondow:
4 New Locations
Bintauna - Traditional Origins of Mongondow, Dumoga - Was a Capital, Kotobangon - Was a Capital, Helumo

Manado:
2 New Locations
Tondano - After the People/Language, Tonsea - Was a Capital, also after the People/Language

Provinces Visualized
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The Provinces have been split up some more and named after Regions, People Groups, Long standing Kingdoms, while being more Geographically consistent.

Cultures
View attachment 1217953Cultures have been split a bit more, and I feel are also more well defined. Only the Primary Cultures are seen, however Minority Cultures do exist, namely Bugis in Marusu and Wotu, Tolaki in Kulisusu, Bungku in Lasolo, Bare'e in Bada, Lore, and Nuhon, Muna in Kioko, Banggai in Mendono, Kaili in Sausu, Pendau, Bambaira, and Kuwali, Tomini in Buol, Gorontalo in Bintauna and Bolaang, Minahasa in Belang, Mongondow in Amurang. Wolio is related to Wotu and is not Primary anywhere, however is found as a large Minority in Wolio Location

Language
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Proposal for Dialects
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Religion of Sulawesi in 1337
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I Could not find names for most of the cultures, However they are colored if they must simply be culturally named. A possible blend for a more broad name for multiple cultures could be Tolotang (Of which this is broken down between different peoples, whether wholly Animist, or Syncretized with Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, or Christianity)

Its.... beautiful. my only complaint is that there should be a few more locations specifically with islands that are attached to a mainland location and maybe split Muna in two, besides that its amazing tho beautiful work

 

[GastonEstBonne]

I totally understand. My comments were not made in bad faith either, I actually agree with you in your original post that I replied, and I share the same concerns as well, which is why I only suggest dividing it into 2 different groups that the dev themselves already split (the Sundanese and the Javanese) because it would be "more" representative.

You said that the term Adat was used throughout Indonesia and I looked at the Indonesia wikipedia page for their preislamic beliefs and they seem to use Adat to refer to them. Would Adat be a reasonable choice for a name of a broad syncretic religion instead of Aliran Kepercaayan or would Adat also be confusing?

 

[King_Potat]

Borneo Island Cultural and Religious Groupings and Suggestions for Minorities:

All groupings have been made based on glottolog entries and classifications, given how many cultural divergences in game are based on linguistic differences. All additions were made on the basis that either, they were a significantly large enough group that they should be represented, or that they were divergent enough to warrant their own culture, and possibly religion. Given that there is little to nothing on the cultural and religious demographics in 1337 [outside of the malayic group, which has some information available], I am using my best guess based on their general historical location as well as how many people have generally lived there (recent history, certainly not 1337) compared to other areas on Borneo (poor method, but it's basically all there is for 1337, used citypopulation.de for population capacity as well as the wikipedia articles # of speakers for each given group.) It should also be noted that there are definitely more cultures and divisions here that I could make, but for the sake of game balance similar cultures have been combined either with an encompassing name for encompassed into the largest group of their branch. Some abstraction has to be made given the amount of cultures that exist here.

Since there is more information on religions in borneo than other areas viewed so far, this should only really be a guide to culture rather than religion, especially with regards to the Malayic and North Borneo groups where religion doesn’t seem to line up exactly with culture to the same degree that it does everywhere else that has been covered so far.

Yellow means either info about minorities or a new culture not having been shown on the map mode yet.
Orange means that there are a few options possible and options for them, which are listed at the bottom
Red means the culture should be removed, usually by wrapping it into another, closely related, culture

Malayic:
- Malay (small minorities in karangan, cantung, sangara, tenggarong, tuyuk, and berune, alongside decent-size to small minorities further in the interior from the main group and along the southern edge of the coast until about pelaihari)
- Iban (a lot of minorities between the two parts of Iban currently on the map, going more or less along the coast towards each other [basically through the melanu blob) plus a few more inland locations like katibas, rejang, and baleh. Should be large minorities until about tatau, and then slowly peter into decent size minorities until it hits niah. Other than that, small minorities should be present in the melawi province and in the samba location)
- Kutai (large minorities in sangata, decent size minorities in karangan, small minorities in bengalon, sandaran, the one above sandaran, nagara, and cantung)
- Banjar (extends too far inland, get rid of its majority in really far inland locations)
- Malayic-Dayak (1)

Dayak:
- Bidayuh
- Binyadu (includes Bakati’ varieties) (distinct from Bidayuh and contains enough people to split off) (should be majority in hulu sambas with large minorities in ngabang)

North Borneo:
- Punan (decent size minorities in baleh, balui, and hulu baram, small minorities in baram, kayan, sungai lati, and berune)
- Kayan (prefer the term kayanic to include a larger variety of related groups) (small minority in santubong, other than than it should have decent size minorities to small minorites in kenyah and bahau culture areas, particularly large minorities in belayan, decent size minorities in kelinjau, small minorities in berune, baram, and hulu baram, but also other locations)
- Kenyah (decent size minorities in telen, small minorities in kayan, segah, kelay, and hutu telen)
- Dusun (would prefer the term dusunic, given its inclusion of the bitanic peoples it includes) (large minorities in kudar and kota marudu)
- Murut (decent size minorities in padas and tong talun, small size minorities in hulu kinanbutangan, kuamut, and sandakan)
- Tidung (2)
- Bahau (not distinct enough from kayan) (combine with kayan to create a kayanic culture)

Danaw (group more present in the philippines):
- Iranun (decent size minority in api api and tong talun)

Central Philippine (group more present in the philippines):
- Tausug (large minority in lahad datu)

Sama-Bajaw:
- Sama
- Bajaw (majority in kudar and mota marudu, decent size minorities in radas, small minorities in api api)
- Balangingi (i am assuming that is the culture on jolo island)

Basap (split off because it is incredibly divergent from the rest of the barito groups):
- Basap (large minorities in sandaran, decent size minorities in the location above sandaran)

Bornean Barito:
- Ngaju (decent size minorities in barito and karau)
- Ma’anyan (large minority in nagara)
- Lawangan (large minority [maybe even majority] in hulu paser, decent size minority in paser, small minority in tanjungpuri)
- Dusun Malang (large minoirty in teweh, decent size minority in barito)
- Dusun Deyah (decent size minority in banua lawas, small minority in hulu paser and tanjungpuri)
- Ot Siang (large minority in lahei, kulu lapuas, hulu mentaya, and laung, decent size minority in hulu mendawai, rungan, and hulu kahayan, small minority in samba)
- Tunjung (large minority in julau, decent size minority in tuyuk)

Note: bornean barito is far more of an aerial grouping than a genealogical one, because it wouldn’t make sense if it was genealogically done because the remainder of the barito group is +10,000 km away in Madagscar while these are all close to each other, and in contact with each other, even if they are only distantly related. There is also some evidence that these languages exhibit a half decent sprachbund, but that is yet to actually be proven given how little is recorded from these cultures. If they were to be broken up, each would essentially have its own grouping, but it's not a good idea so, don’t do it.

(1.) Essentially a culture to describe the areas which had massive overcrossing between both the Malayic and Dayak groups (Kendayan-Belangin, Menterap, and Malayic-Dayak), as this group differed heavily from both and it would not make sense to wrap them in with the malayic or dayak cultures. I’m putting it into the malayic group simply because they tended to be more within their economic systems historically rather than Dayak ones but this culture should share a lot with the dayak group. This could also be in the Dayak group and share a lot with the malayic group or be on its own while sharing aspects of both groups, but for historical progression it makes more sense for it to be malayic. It should have large minorities in jelai and air-hitan, decent size minorities in hulu sambas and tayan, with small minorities in kubu)

(2.) In my opinion, Tidung is not distinct enough from Murut to be considered its own culture in 1337. However, given its size it could easily be, especially with the precedent of having larger european cultures broken up even though the similarity of the broken up peoples is high (and since that precedent has continued to Asia, then it probably should be its own culture). If it remains, it should share a lot with Murut, with decent size minorities in sebuku.

These groupings have left us with an interesting dynamic in Borneo, with three large groups in the Malayic, North Borneo, and Bornean Barito groups each being the majority on different parts of the island, with various crossovers with each other. The Malayic group is prevalent in the west with gold, lumber, and a few other varied RGOs while also dominating the southern coast and a lot of the fish that comes with it. The North Borneo group is prevalent predominantly in, surprise, north Borneo with the island's fruit RGOs alongside a few others, but is also present throughout the interior, being the majority in the only copper, lead, and mercury RGOs on the island. All while the Bornean Barito group sits in the southern interior, on a large amount of lumber and gold and generally being dominated by only a few members within the group. The Dayak group also contains a not insignificant amount of Borneo, being the majority inland on the western portion of the island in many places. Additionally, there are smaller cultures which belong to groups largely based outside of Borneo (except basap, which is alone), allowing potential outsiders from the Philippines to maybe have a reason to get involved more actively on the island, as well as the Malayic group being present elsewhere.

I won't do a review of Java, Sumatra, or the Philippines, as I don’t have the knowledge to try and do anything helpful there, but I will do this for Papua, and if you know anything about Papua, that will take an entire week to do because there's a lot there.

 

[Martocticvs]

That's actually a very interesting suggestion, let's see what we can do about it.

Without some sensible split in spices, I just don't see how you can meaningfully represent Europe's voracious appetite for what were, to the people there, the exotic new spices from other parts of the world. It wasn't just wanting more of what they already had access to, many of them were completely new things to them and it was a big deal.

 

[jinggachingu]

You said that the term Adat was used throughout Indonesia and I looked at the Indonesia wikipedia page for their preislamic beliefs and they seem to use Adat to refer to them. Would Adat be a reasonable choice for a name of a broad syncretic religion instead of Aliran Kepercaayan or would Adat also be confusing?

When the page said "Kepercayaan Adat", it wasn't actually referring to it as a "name" per say, it was saying "Local practices", unlike Aliran Kepercayaan, as in, if we're talking about a typhoon, I am only talking about a "typhoon" in general, not exactly a particular typhoon, if you get what I am trying to say. That is why they never used the phrase again on the entire page, it's only a fancy way of saying "Beliefs" or "Kepercayaan".

That being said, I get what you're trying to say.

Would Kepercayaan Adat be a reasonable choice? Maybe. The problem is that it doesn't imply the "syncretism" part; it's like saying "Abrahamic," which is not really the case for, say, Kejawen because it also implies religious practices. I think the biggest thing that I am looking for here is a word that implies the religions will have something that the Wali Songo (the Nine Walis that historically converted Indonesia) used to syncretize if you get what I am saying.

However, Kepercayaan Adat is the closest thing to a blanket term for the religions.

 

[TomislavAddai]

All Iban-culture countries should have the possibility to transform into a banking country due to *obvious reasons*

 

[VikingNinja]

Perhaps Panyupayana since "Scholars and traders from the Indian subcontinent historically referred to the Philippines as Panyupayana, a term which emanated from the geopolitical orientation of the Indians, that started with the cosmological orientation".

I looked into Panyupayana a while back, and it seemed like an incredibly dubious name and likely just a modern invention. It means something like "surrounded by water," and the paper that discussed it didn't even cite the Indian texts that supposedly mention it. Its source was just a random map from the 1940s, which also lacked any citation for the name.

 

[Gurtannon]

Sulawesi is 175k km2, so 115 locations seems (at the high end of) acceptable, especially with the choice to make basically everything nations instead of SoPs

115 locations isnt that much dense anyway, it is similar density like in Eastern Europe Poland etc

 

[AessaSH]

Java need more Locations!

Java is the most populous major island in the world today. And even in the 14th century, it was far more populous than the surrounding islands.
"Now this island is populous exceedingly, and is the second best of all islands that exist" - Odoric of Pordenone (~1320)

Java is also a fairly large island, its length is about the same as the modern Italy.

The current map of Java is gorgeous, but there's some inaccuracies such as:
- Location and Province borders are not conforming historical and natural border such as rivers. Tegal should've been controlled by Majapahit, not Sunda
Major rivers:

Historical border:

- Some Locations are not in the right place. Also Locations are not dense enough in some areas

- There's no continuous hinterland connecting Sunda and Majapahit
- Pakuan doesn't have its own Province, despite its position as the future capital of Sunda and the center of resistance against the sultanates
- Blambangan also doesn't have its own Province. Blambangan was Majapahit's rival when Majapahit's civil war happen, and also it was an independent kingdom after the fall of Majapahit
- Not enough Rice and other resources

This is my suggestions:

Provinces:

I'm adding 2 new Provinces:
- Adding Sunda and renaming Kawali into Galuh, the proper name of that area. Later irl, Cirebon will controlling Galuh and Banten will get Sunda. Both Banten and Cirebon will contesting to conquer the former land of Sunda Kingdom
- Adding Blambangan and renaming Trowulan into Majapahit, because Trowulan is a modern name. Also Majapahit is matching the rest of Province's names which are based on historical Kingdoms (Demak Sultanate, Blambangan Kingdom, Pajang Sultanate, Duchy of Surabaya, and Mataram Sultanate)

Locations:

BANTEN, 6 Locations:
- Banten
- Cisadane (New) : Fairly important port, Sumatrans trade there.
- Sunda Kelapa, or just "Kalapa"
- Pulasari, moved to the right placement and turn it into a port
- Kanekes (New) : The suitable inland location. Home of Baduys, the most conservative group of the Sundanese
- Pangguyangan

SUNDA, 5 Locations:
- Pakuan
- Cibadak
- Cianjur
- Pelabuhan Ratu (New) : Literally translated into Royal's Port. The Sundanese celebrates an annual holiday in this place, offering a lot of ceremonial "presents" to appease Nyai Loro Kidul, a supernatural being who reigns along the southern coast of Java
- Gunung Padang (New) : an archaeological site covers a hill—an extinct volcano—in a series of five terraces bordered by retaining walls of stone that are accessed by 370 successive andesite steps rising about 95 metres (312 ft). The Sundanese people consider the site sacred

CIREBON, 6 Locations:
- Cibuaya
- Cimanuk
- Cirebon
- Cipamali (New) : Translated as "Taboo River". It's a border area between Sunda and Majapahit in the 15th Century Bujangga Manik
- Sindangkasih
- Sumedang

GALUH, 5 Locations:
- Parahyangan (Rename) : I can't find the information about "Wangung". That area is the modern Bandung, and a part of Parahyangan area, that mean "the abode of hyangs (gods)", similar to the Javanese "Dieng". Sundanese believed that the gods resided on its mountaintops.
- Kawali
- Kandangwesi
- Galunggung (New) : An important province and sacred mountain of Sunda-Galuh Kingdom
- Pangandaran

DEMAK, 7 Locations:
- Tegal
- Pekalongan
- Semarang
- Demak
- Jepara
- Pati
- Lasem (New) : Majapahit's historical province. Home to shipyard of Rembang, a shipbuilding place for Djong ship

MATARAM, 7 Locations:
- Purwalingga, moved into a hinterland Location
- Dieng
- Borobudur
- Donan (New) : Cilacap's old name. Majapahit's border region and in the Javanese posession since atleast 880 AD during Old Mataram Kingdom
- Ayah (New) : Another Majapahit's border region alongside Donan
- Bagaluhan
- Mataram

PAJANG, 7 Locations:
- Salatiga (New) : Salatiga and nearby Gedong Songo Temple complex already exist before 750 AD and active in the 14th and 15th-century. Later, the Dutch built De Hersteller fort in Salatiga because Salatiga was strategically located at the intersection between Semarang, Surakarta (Pajang) and Magelang (Borobudur)
- Pandansalas
- Jipang (New) : Important Majapahit's ferry port of the Solo River and also the last stronghold of Demak Sultanate against Pajang rebellion, with its last sultan, Arya Penangsang with his legendary horse, Gagak Rimang
- Matahun
- Pajang
- Jagaraga
- Pacitan

SURABAYA, 7 Locations:
- Tuban
- Kabalan (New) : Majapahit's historical province
- Gresik
- Surabaya
- Bangkalan
- Sampang (New) : A settlement which exist before 835 AD and continuous to 1383 AD until conquered by the Dutch
- Sugenep

MAJAPAHIT, 8 Locations:
- Ngetos (New) : Mausoleum of the future Majapahit king, Hayam Wuruk
- Majapahit (Rename) : Trowulan is a modern name. When it was the capital of the Majapahit Empire, the city was simply known as "Majapahit" or its sanskrit name, "Wilwatikta"
- Pasuruan (New) : One of Majapahit's ports. After the fall of Majapahit, Pasuruan, Pajarakan, and Panarukan was taken by Blambangan
- Daha
- Tumapel (Rename) : Malang is a modern name. The proper name of Majapahit's province in that region is Tumapel
- Wengker
- Tulungagung
- Simping (New) : Mausoleum of the first Majapahit king, Raden Wijaya

BLAMBANGAN, 7 Locations:
- Pajarakan (Rename) : Why chosing "Bajrajinaparamitapura" of all name? It's too long. Better to use the nearby Pajarakan, one of Majapahit's ports
- Iyang (New) : Sacred mountain similar to Parahyangan and Dieng. From the word Hyang, a representation of the supreme being, in ancient Java and Bali mythology
- Panarukan (New) : One of Majapahit's ports. After the fall of Majapahit, Pasuruan, Pajarakan, and Panarukan was taken by Blambangan
- Lumajang
- Sadeng
- Pakembangan, moved into a hinterland Location
- Balambangan

Topography:

Adjusting some of hills placement. Adding Plateau in Bandung area and Dieng Plateau. Removing wetlands because there's no significant wetlands in Java. Maybe add some wetlands in Demak and Pati to representing Muria Strait that exist in the time of Majapahit

Vegetation:

The original vegetation map is too dull. I'm differentiating the denseness of vegetation based on Tropical climate group: tropical rainforest climate for Jungle, tropical monsoon climate for Forest and tropical savanna climate for Woods. I'm also adding Grasslands to the important Locations and Farmland to the fertile areas such as Kewu Plain, Kedu Plain, and around Brantas river in the Majapahit heartland.

Development:

The current development pattern in Java is too random, also Majapahit's development is too low for an Empire that soon control the hegemony equal from Portugal to Moscow. The picture above is the tier of development from kingdom's capital to religious centre to normal town. The picture below is the land development in 1300AD. Java was clearly more developed than the majority of SEA

Natural Harbors:

This is my suggestion on natural harbors. At least Tier 1 and Tier 2 should become the natural harbors

Cultures and Languages:

Madurese should be its own language. Or at least dialect of Javanese or Balinese.

Minor Religions:

The majority of Java's Religion is Hindu. The second majority is Mahayana in Majapahit. The last one is original religions of Java-Bali, revering Hyang as the supreme being, They are Sunda Wiwitan for Sundanese, Kejawen for Javanese, and Gama Tirta for Balinese. All of them can be grouping as Hyangism, similar to Tengrism for Tengri. Location such as Parahyangan, Dieng, and Iyang have connection to Hyang and literally mean the abode/place of hyangs. Parahyangan comes from para-Hyang-an, Dieng from di-Hyang, and Iyang from i-Hyang

Raw Materials:

Arranging existing resources and adding new resources such as gems (topaz) based on Suma Oriental. Focusing on Rice as chief merchandise. Iron sand deposit in Donan Cilacap area is from Serayu river sediment, added for kick-starting the Majapahit expansion. Madura also have Salt.

 

[coconutboat]

Minor Religions:
View attachment 1218226
The majority of Java's Religion is Hindu. The second majority is Mahayana in Majapahit. The last one is original religions of Java-Bali, revering Hyang as the supreme being, They are Sunda Wiwitan for Sundanese, Kejawen for Javanese, and Gama Tirta for Balinese. All of them can be grouping as Hyangism, similar to Tengrism for Tengri.

Great work! Question: Should there be locations with Kapitayan as their religion? Wali Songo used analogies of their practices during the spread of Islam in Java so perhaps there could be bonuses/events related to it

 

[PraiseMeLikeIAmYours]

Nice works! As an Indonesian, I think it's pretty accurate. There are few things that I would like to point out that might improve the accuracy:

General:
I think most of them were accurate and just missing minor details. However, I believe in general some of the provinces/locations are too few.. Indonesia has several kingdoms/empire that I think the density of the locations should be measured that they can be on par with Siam in the game:
1. Majapahit + Sunda Kingdom
2. Area of Kingdom of Aceh (Include Half of Sumatra Island and Kedah)
3. Area of Ternate and Tidore (The whole area of Uli Siwa and Uli Lima)
4. Area of Gowa (Include Lesser Sunda Island except Bali)
I think in history, number 2-4 are the countries that can withstand colonialization the longest.

Sunda Kingdom:
1. At that year, Sunda should be split into two: Sunda (Capital in Bogor/Pakuan) and Galuh (Capital in Ciamis/Kawali). They were briefly in a union during the 11th Century, broke up, and reunited around ~1450 due to political marriage between the two kingdoms.
2. The closest dynasty for both Sunda and Galuh kingdom would be "Siliwangi"
3. The border of Sunda province is wrong. Ciamis or Kawali (the capital of Galuh) falls into "Mataram" province under Majapahit. My suggestions are:
- Add one province between Banten and Cirebon and create a province of Pakuan (capital of Sunda)
- Split "Kawali" into "Priangan" - West of Kawali and "Kawali" - East of Kawali & include the western part of Mataram.
4. The majority of the peasants and rural area should follow Sunda Wiwitan, while Hindu is presents in the city.

Majapahit and Lesser Sunda Kingdom:
1. - Province of "Trowulan" should be split into "Trowulan" and "Lumajang"/"Blambangan", the later is more autonomous than the rest of the provinces.
- There were few small vassals in the area (Lumajang Tigang Juru Kingdom in 1316, Keta Kingdom and Sadeng Kingdom in 1331) that were recently subjugated by Majapahit.
2. Majapahit and Bali should have a significant Mahayana Buddhist population. This is supported by the fact that Majapahit had two bodies to regulate religious affairs: Dharmmadhyaksa ring Kasogatan for Buddhism affairs and Dharmmadhyaksa ring Kasaiwan for Hindu. Based on the modern Javanese buddhist population, they should be centered around Temanggung, Blitar and Jepara.
3. Speaking of Hindu, Indonesia's Hindu was actually quite different from India's Hindu. They were more into Siwa, perhaps this could be reflected in the game?
4. There were religion of "Marapu" in Sumba and Flores

Sumatra Island:
1. Aceh should have Muslim majority in this timeline. In 1292, Marco Polo has recorded that Aceh has plural of Muslim population
2. Similarly, Samudra Pasai, which has established since ~700 AD, is also famous as the first Islamic Kingdom in Indonesia.
3. Based on the same source, Linge Kingdom should have Islam as their official religion and formed a majority in the area near the port. However, Ghayo traditional religion persist on the mountainous area.
4. Paksinate (I don't know if this a thing in English) of Sekala Brak should exist in "Lampung" province
5. Kingdom of Tulang Bawang should exist in "Tulang Bawang" province
6. There were few Aceh minors that could exist : Kingdom of Pidie, Kingdom of Daya and Kingdom of Tamiang
7 . For the religion:
- Batak is the name of an ethnic group. "Batak religion" should split into two: "Pemena" in "Deli" province & "Parmalim" religion for the rest.
- "Arat Sabulungan" in Mentawai Island
- "Fanomba Adu" in Nias Island
- Not the official name, but the most prominent Goddess of "Rejang" religion is Nyang Sêrai
8. I'm not sure if we have the same source, but I think:
- "Mahayana" should the majority of Melayu Kingdom
- The whole "Lampung" area should be "Hindu"
- Aru Kingdom should have a majority of "Pamena" and "Hindu" religion.
- Palembang should have majority Hindu with significant Islam population, as Islam start to penetrate in 8th Century.
9. Samudra Pasai's harbor should be on its peak now, Aru's harbor starting to be empty & Malacca's would rise soon

Other Islands:
1. You are missing "Sintang Kingdom" in West Borneo
2. Toraja tribe in Central celebes would be a nice addition
3. I think it would be nice if you can add Kaimana and Salawati Kingdom / Cheifdom in Papua. They were notable to be part of Islamic Sultanate in Tidore, but they were around during the timeline and have traded with people from nearby island.
4. There were religion of To Lotang in Sidenreng Rappang, Sulawesi or "Bugis" religion

To be honest with you, the sources for other islands are scarce and there are a lot of false information as well. I hope I didn't fall into the false info but you get the idea.
I'm also confused about buddhism in Sumatra, as Hinduism should be the majority at the timeline. I think I need to do more research on that.

Thanks!

 

[jinggachingu]

Sumatra Island:
1. Aceh should have Muslim majority in this timeline. In 1292, Marco Polo has recorded that Aceh has plural of Muslim population

One thing to note here, despite being majority Muslim, the people still practiced Hindu-Buddhist rites, even using Buddhist symbols in their arts/architecture, being syncretized with Islam.

6. There were few Aceh minors that could exist : Kingdom of Pidie, Kingdom of Daya and Kingdom of Tamiang

Pidie and Daya haven't been established yet during the game time I believe (at least a quick Wikipedia search says so), but Tamiang was one of the oldest kingdoms in Aceh and one of the kingdoms that refused (unsuccessfully) the Majapahit rule, so I vouch for it. Totally not because I am from Tamiang, absolutely not.

 

[Metz]

Will East India Companies get special treatment or are they like any other companies?

 

[henry space]

Bad to the Bone

 

[Mic199]

Nice!

Could you add one more country to the Philippines? The Kingdom of Taytay has replaced the Sandao a little before the start date. They should be present in the location of Taytay and in the Calamian islands.

Also, could you add two more SoPs? One for the Ifugao, known for the iconic rice terraces and long resistance against the Spanish. And one for the Ivatan people, known for the Ijang settlements.